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Why is life sacred, but not happiness and mental well-being?
    #26600479 - 04/14/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Why is it that people seem to see human life as inherently valuable?

My grandfather was a chemistry buff. he spent 60-80 years old just reading chemistry all day. by 80, he became blind.
he couldn't pursue his passions once blind and began to get depressed. That spark he had just went away. the dementia 10 years later was really unfortunate to watch. my grandfather grew up in my house so I spoke to him since birth and I was fairly close with him. He felt humiliated having my parents, my siblings, and my grandma help him use the bathroom and shower.

Recently he passed away. About a month ago. I found that to be unfortunate, but I found it far more unfortunate when he was blind and had dementia
It seems perverted to be retried but not be able to pursue what you actually want due to being blind. That always bothered me more than his death.


My close cousin grew up in my house on and off and was the closest person in my life. Now he suffers from schizophrenia. He claims to telepathically communicate with the dead, can't shower or maintain hygiene, can't hold down a job, and thinks the corona virus doesn't exist. I mean that he thinks the COVID does not physically exist. its not that he thinks its not a threat. he thinks that every study on it is made up and the government made it up to quarantine us. He has tried to commit suicide many times and can't hold a job. I think he would be better off dead. the only reason he still hasn't committed suicide is that he thinks the love of his life (she overdosed years ago) is alive and waiting for him. Their relationship is just "on a break". If he passed away quick and painlessly, I would find that to be much more positive than his current schizophrenia

It seems like a funny question but what I am asking is that "Why don't we see severe decrements in quality of life to be as unfortunate or even much more unfortunate than death?"
why don't we have funerals for being blind, schizophrenic, or autistic?


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Re: Why is happiness not sacred but life is? [Re: topdog82]
    #26600488 - 04/14/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Fear and selfishness drive these behaviors as a society, unfortunately.


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Re: Why is happiness not sacred but life is? [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26600491 - 04/14/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

drive which? the value we place on life? how so? I am not sure I understand


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Re: Why is happiness not sacred but life is? [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #26600513 - 04/14/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Because being blind isn't really that bad, as some people can attest and autism isn't either (though the degree matters).

Life is sacred seems to stem from Christianity and it's views seeping into our culture whether we like it or not. It's why they are against abortion or assisted suicide. But it is sad to see people languish in their later years. In fact it's a bit tragic that we spend our most vital years working away and by the time we retire we are too worn out to really enjoy any of it.


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Re: Why is happiness not sacred but life is? [Re: topdog82]
    #26600526 - 04/14/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The demand to keep people alive at all cost, even when their happiness and well being is gone.

In your grandfather's case, forcing his to go on while blind and demented was not for his benefit but for everyone else's.  The are afraid of death and selfishly want him alive.

It is unfortunate, I can't say what he himself would have wanted.


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Re: Why is happiness not sacred but life is? [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26600532 - 04/14/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The demand to keep people alive at all cost, even when their happiness and well being is gone.

In your grandfather's case, forcing his to go on while blind and demented was not for his benefit but for everyone else's.  The are afraid of death and selfishly want him alive.

It is unfortunate, I can't say what he himself would have wanted.




I would advocate suicide if that is what they really wanted and they are too far gone. But suicide is often used as a permanent solution to a temporary problem. In the OP case it would be different.


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Re: Why is happiness not sacred but life is? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26600614 - 04/14/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ok these responses make sense

But autism, particularly the high functioning forms are horrendous

My family friend is high functioning. Intelligent, but can’t make friends

He is miserable


I think we should advocate medical suicide for specific reasons. Autism, Down syndrome, and dementia. Maybe Alzheimer’s


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Re: Why is happiness not sacred but life is? [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #26600625 - 04/14/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The four medical ailments you listed are terrible candidates for medically assisted suicide, because they are not in the mental state to make such decisions. With the exception of autism, the disorders you listed cannot even consent to suicide on their own without influencers pushing for them to say yes. That's not suicide.


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Re: Why is life sacred, but not happiness and mental well-being? [Re: topdog82]
    #26600653 - 04/14/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Why is it that people seem to see human life as inherently valuable?



Urrr.. I thought we did the opposite??


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Re: Why is happiness not sacred but life is? [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #26600703 - 04/14/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Ok these responses make sense

But autism, particularly the high functioning forms are horrendous

My family friend is high functioning. Intelligent, but can’t make friends

He is miserable


I think we should advocate medical suicide for specific reasons. Autism, Down syndrome, and dementia. Maybe Alzheimer’s




That’s where you are wrong. I mean maybe your family friend is like that in which case I am sorry but I know plenty of people on the spectrum who are high functioning that aren’t like that. They make friends quite well as are well liked.

It really does depend. I’m high functioning as well and don’t have problems making friends, I just prefer to be alone


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Re: Why is life sacred, but not happiness and mental well-being? [Re: topdog82]
    #26600800 - 04/14/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Cool questions!

Ur cousin seems cool tbh :heart:

Rip ur grandfather, and wish u and ur loved ones well :heart:


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Re: Why is life sacred, but not happiness and mental well-being? [Re: zZZz] * 1
    #26601024 - 04/14/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

topdog82 said:
Ok these responses make sense

But autism, particularly the high functioning forms are horrendous

My family friend is high functioning. Intelligent, but can’t make friends

He is miserable


I think we should advocate medical suicide for specific reasons. Autism, Down syndrome, and dementia. Maybe Alzheimer’s




That’s where you are wrong. I mean maybe your family friend is like that in which case I am sorry but I know plenty of people on the spectrum who are high functioning that aren’t like that. They make friends quite well as are well liked.

It really does depend. I’m high functioning as well and don’t have problems making friends, I just prefer to be alone



I was unaware. I think I took the experience of this one individual and falsely assumed it was representative of most autistic adults

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Cool questions!

Ur cousin seems cool tbh :heart:

Rip ur grandfather, and wish u and ur loved ones well :heart:




my cousin was/is cool. but he is sadly a half zombie shell now


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Re: Why is happiness not sacred but life is? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26601027 - 04/14/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The four medical ailments you listed are terrible candidates for medically assisted suicide, because they are not in the mental state to make such decisions. With the exception of autism, the disorders you listed cannot even consent to suicide on their own without influencers pushing for them to say yes. That's not suicide.



What if we created a system where adults can sign a form that if they were to get dementia or alzhiemers they can have the govt pull the plug


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