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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods] * 3
    #26599277 - 04/13/20 11:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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With testing and contact tracing there’s no reason you can’t resume business as usual aside from mass gatherings type situations.

Has anyone else come to the conclusion that we can’t have concerts and nightclubs and similar type events until we get the vaccine?




The government won't risk a second wave. I think we're in it to 0 (I'm hoping that will be ~3 weeks away) then I assume we'll open back up with closed borders. From what I can tell most Australians are on board with this.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: brk] * 1
    #26599279 - 04/13/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26599283 - 04/13/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Without a vaccine nearly everyone on earth (aside from a small percentage with mutations that impart genetic immunity) will get covid, the only question is how fast it happens. After that it will become a childhood disease just like chickenpox. The only people left to infect will be the people who are born after the pandemic. Chickenpox almost certainly began as a pandemic too.




Depends what you consider?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenpox

5000 - 10,000 deaths a year annually. Still don't understand how the lottery test is going to help anything. But I guess it is time to move past that.

Once a solid vaccine is developed would you suggest changing quarantine protocol?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: TheStallionMang] * 2
    #26599291 - 04/13/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

When chickenpox first emerged as a human disease it started as a pandemic. There was no immunity and everyone got infected regardless of age. (Pandemic meant something different when there were discrete human populations that had no interaction with each other, but the disease would have spread rapidly and completely within these populations)

After the pandemic wave, there are no people left to infect except children - and the occasional adult who managed to avoid it earlier - who were born after the pandemic. This is a very common pattern for infectious diseases that can be transmitted through casual contact. They start as a pandemic then become endemic childhood illnesses.

Smallpox was also primarily a childhood illness, and a huge majority of fatalities occurred in children and most adults were immune. What was a childhood illness in Europe, was an epidemic in North America that killed huge numbers of people because they had never experienced the pandemic phase of the disease.

It’s this pattern of infectious disease which made surviving childhood such a feat in the age before vaccinations.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26599310 - 04/14/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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5000 - 10,000 deaths a year annually. Still don't understand how the lottery test is going to help anything. But I guess it is time to move past




It depends on the method and the rationale. Not sure if it’s meant to expand surveillance or if is more of an attempt to research the nature and penetration of the disease. It is certainly necessary to test people who aren’t symptomatic if you want to catch cases of a disease that can be spread asymptomatically. If you only test people with symptoms you will never find any of the asymptomatics until they have infected other people who get sick. Part of the management of this pandemic will require testing people who have no symptoms. Once we get the case counts down to a manageable level, we cannot continue to ration testing for only those who are feeling sick.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26599321 - 04/14/20 12:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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once a solid vaccine is developed would you suggest changing quarantine protocol




Once a vaccine is developed we can stop worrying about it altogether. Except for the fools who will complain about being forced to be vaccinated, because this shit will be mandatory.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26599327 - 04/14/20 12:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

And I may be pessimistic about the therapeutic interventions that morrow likes to talk about, but I do think the vaccine will be available earlier than expected.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: imachavel] * 3
    #26599369 - 04/14/20 12:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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imachavel said:
Then why do it? This was the reason for the eye roll. What a waste of 500 tests.

Even furthermore how can it be accurate that a virus is so strange some people get it and keel over and cannot breath, then the rest of people are asymptomatic to the point they need to do these lottery tests, and a few fit in between? This thing is like an old people bullet for some it just hits you in the lungs and for others it just misses you completely?





The rationale for random testing is in better understanding the epidemiology. In the majority of the testing that happens so far, there is a very heavy bias towards the positives since testing is mostly used to verify people who are having symptoms or who have been in contact with known cases, which is useful in (1) determining the best treatment and (2) optimizing effectiveness of quarantaine.

However, that leaves a big unknown, which is how the virus is actually spreading among the population. In order to get an image of how far it has gotten in terms of spread, and also the severity of symptoms, the % which needs hospital treatment and lethality, it is essential to also identify how many actual infections there are out there. Random testing is the only way to get a reliable picture of this. By extension, this may also give us clues as to the question of immunity, although this requires additional data on top of the random sputum tests (think of serum tests, follow-up of known cases that have recovered, etc.)

Random testing obviously does very little or nothing at all for cases that are severe and that require treatment, but it does give us the essential data on epidemiology needed for further policy measures. In all the attention for the deaths, ICU patients, hospital admissions etc. (attention that is of course warranted and useful in itself), the underlying questions about epidemiology are being largely ignored or at least receive less emphasis in the media and the public debate, while they are crucial for sound policy making. Hence the importance of random testing. Moreover, 500 tests/day is a very marginal number compared to the overall number of tests conducted daily, so it constitutes only a small sacrifice for a significant gain in data. It's not a waste of resources - if done properly, it's an investment that is arguably much more valuable than e.g. testing cases which are more or less verifiable already on the basis of symptoms/presentation.

To give an example: in the earliest stages of the epidemic in The Netherlands, a random sample within the population of hospital workers in an affected region was tested. At this stage, only a couple of dozen cases were confirmed and the spread of the virus was largely thought to have been traceable to a few initial cases with verifiable links to travel to affected regions (mainly Italy and Austria). However, the random test proved that the spread of the virus was much larger and that the majority of the cases that popped up from the random test were in no way traceable to known sources. This immediately translated into more stringent policy measures (quarantining + social distancing) which up to that point were not certain to be necessary. Over the course of one weekend and with a relatively minimal investment in money and resources, crucial data was obtained that directly could be translated into measures to try and curb the spread. Had we not done this, we may very well have lost precious days and the problem could have been much larger as we would have basked in a false sense of security of being able to trace cases to known sources (which would of course have been proved to be wrong anyway, but at a later stage than random testing allowed).

At this stage in the epidemic in most countries, random testing is not so much aimed at implementing initial containment measures (after all, they have been taken for weeks already), but would be aimed more at exploring the needs for mid-term policy making/measures such as question about the extent to which relaxation of measures is feasible, differentiation in measures, etc.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26599450 - 04/14/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think a vaccine will be ready by next February


Wild speculation but well see. Leas than 18mos for sure


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26599495 - 04/14/20 03:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Halfwit Virus truthers hold protest in Vancouver





https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/coronavirus-deniers-vancouver-protest-video


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: viraldrome] * 1
    #26599526 - 04/14/20 04:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have no sympathy for these case studies in natural selection.


Just the people their stupidity hurts :mad2:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26599528 - 04/14/20 04:30 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I’m not concerned because Kennith Copeland taught me that I can smile the virus away.  He smiled the flu away in 15 minutes so I have no concerns anymore..:awesomenod:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Amanita86]
    #26599531 - 04/14/20 04:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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He smiled the flu away in 15 minutes so I have no concerns anymore..:awesomenod:







Whelp, that makes one of us :shrug:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 3
    #26599535 - 04/14/20 04:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You just look that virus in the eye and say “no don’t you dare enter me” and smile..  If only people knew this, we could whoop this thing and get back in our shackles in no time..:awedance:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Amanita86]
    #26599560 - 04/14/20 05:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Amanita86 said:
I’m not concerned because Kennith Copeland taught me that I can smile the virus away.  He smiled the flu away in 15 minutes so I have no concerns anymore..:awesomenod:




He has creepy pedophile eyes


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 9
    #26599566 - 04/14/20 05:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:

It's clear as day in this thread too. What we have here is a massive global issue affecting our whole species, and half of what we have to wade through is moronic wank about the fucking political system in the US.

Jesus Christ give me a break!




Man it's so embarrassing. We have a global pandemic going on that has just about put the entire earth on pause, killed 120 thousand people, and all people here in the US can talk about (Trump supporters and Trump haters alike) is one man. Like I said before people are totally consumed by the guy. It's fucking weird. The obsession level is bordering on disease with some people.

You know what? My life now is more or less exactly the same as it was under Obama, under Bush, and under Clinton. And I guarantee you that for 99% of the completely obsessed Trump haters and supporters who don't let an hour pass by without thinking about the man -- their lives are pretty much the exact same as it was under the last administration. And the administration before that.

Yet here we are in global pandemic thread that's approaching 400 pages and there are probably as Many Donald Trump references as the actual virus itself :lol:

I think I've watched roughly a combined 20 minutes since this whole thing has started of his daily press conferences. Total. Meanwhile the fanatical liberal and conservative bases watch these pressers every day so they can either

:superscream:

:yess:

or

:triggered:

:panic:

I don't even care what they're doing on the federal level. If they make a decision on the national level that's enough to trickle down to me where I can feel it then I'll worry about it then. Until then I just worry about what my local city and state governments are doing. Because that's what's going to directly affect me.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Niffla]
    #26599585 - 04/14/20 05:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

WWE Deemed an Essential Service, Live Shows To Resume in Florida

https://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/29031903/wwe-deemed-essential-business-florida-mayor-says

WWE was deemed an "essential business" in Florida, Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings said Monday, allowing the company to resume live television shows from its Orlando training facility and Full Sail University in Winter Park.

The decision, outlined in an April 9 memo from Gov. Ron DeSantis' office, could open the door for other sports to resume in the state.

According to Demings, WWE initially was not designated as essential and therefore was not exempt from the state's shelter-in-place order, which took effect April 3 and runs through at least April 30. That decision was reversed after "some conversation" with DeSantis' office, Demings said Monday during a news conference.

Essential businesses that are supposed to remain open during Florida's stay-at-home order include those in the health care, financial, energy, food, communications and transportation sectors. According to the memo sent by the governor's office on Thursday, recent additions to the list of "essential services" in the state include "employees at a professional sports and media production with a national audience -- including any athletes, entertainers, production team, executive team, media team and any others necessary to facilitate including services supporting such production -- only if the location is closed to the general public."

A spokesperson from DeSantis' office told ESPN on Monday that such services were characterized as essential "because they are critical to Florida's economy."

Asked if this would apply to UFC events, the spokesperson said, "The memo does not specify specific sports, as long as the event location is closed to the general public."

The UFC has suspended all events and does not have a time frame for a return, though UFC president Dana White has made it clear that he wants to resume as soon as possible.

Starting Monday with its Raw program, WWE will run live shows without fans after several weeks of taped programming, a spokesperson confirmed to ESPN on Saturday.

"We believe it is now more important than ever to provide people with a diversion from these hard times," WWE said in a statement. "We are producing content on a closed set with only essential personnel in attendance following appropriate guidelines while taking additional precautions to ensure the health and wellness of our performers and staff. As a brand that has been woven into the fabric of society, WWE and its Superstars bring families together and deliver a sense of hope, determination and perseverance."

WWE has three TV shows per week: Raw (USA Network), NXT (USA Network) on Wednesday and SmackDown (Fox) on Friday.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Niffla]
    #26599630 - 04/14/20 06:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Niffla said:
Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:

It's clear as day in this thread too. What we have here is a massive global issue affecting our whole species, and half of what we have to wade through is moronic wank about the fucking political system in the US.

Jesus Christ give me a break!




Man it's so embarrassing. We have a global pandemic going on that has just about put the entire earth on pause, killed 120 thousand people, and all people here in the US can talk about (Trump supporters and Trump haters alike) is one man. Like I said before people are totally consumed by the guy. It's fucking weird. The obsession level is bordering on disease with some people.

You know what? My life now is more or less exactly the same as it was under Obama, under Bush, and under Clinton. And I guarantee you that for 99% of the completely obsessed Trump haters and supporters who don't let an hour pass by without thinking about the man -- their lives are pretty much the exact same as it was under the last administration. And the administration before that.

Yet here we are in global pandemic thread that's approaching 400 pages and there are probably as Many Donald Trump references as the actual virus itself :lol:

I think I've watched roughly a combined 20 minutes since this whole thing has started of his daily press conferences. Total. Meanwhile the fanatical liberal and conservative bases watch these pressers every day so they can either

:superscream:

:yess:

or

:triggered:

:panic:

I don't even care what they're doing on the federal level. If they make a decision on the national level that's enough to trickle down to me where I can feel it then I'll worry about it then. Until then I just worry about what my local city and state governments are doing. Because that's what's going to directly affect me.



Citizens are brainwashed into thinking voting and politics as being very important things.

No one in this thread is a Democrat or Republican. You don't belong to their club. You don't make money off of people like they can. You don't go to their parties. You're their poker chips.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26599672 - 04/14/20 07:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

bodhisatta said:
Quote:

Niffla said:
Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:

It's clear as day in this thread too. What we have here is a massive global issue affecting our whole species, and half of what we have to wade through is moronic wank about the fucking political system in the US.

Jesus Christ give me a break!




Man it's so embarrassing. We have a global pandemic going on that has just about put the entire earth on pause, killed 120 thousand people, and all people here in the US can talk about (Trump supporters and Trump haters alike) is one man. Like I said before people are totally consumed by the guy. It's fucking weird. The obsession level is bordering on disease with some people.

You know what? My life now is more or less exactly the same as it was under Obama, under Bush, and under Clinton. And I guarantee you that for 99% of the completely obsessed Trump haters and supporters who don't let an hour pass by without thinking about the man -- their lives are pretty much the exact same as it was under the last administration. And the administration before that.

Yet here we are in global pandemic thread that's approaching 400 pages and there are probably as Many Donald Trump references as the actual virus itself :lol:

I think I've watched roughly a combined 20 minutes since this whole thing has started of his daily press conferences. Total. Meanwhile the fanatical liberal and conservative bases watch these pressers every day so they can either

:superscream:

:yess:

or

:triggered:

:panic:

I don't even care what they're doing on the federal level. If they make a decision on the national level that's enough to trickle down to me where I can feel it then I'll worry about it then. Until then I just worry about what my local city and state governments are doing. Because that's what's going to directly affect me.



Citizens are brainwashed into thinking voting and politics as being very important things.

No one in this thread is a Democrat or Republican. You don't belong to their club. You don't make money off of people like they can. You don't go to their parties. You're their poker chips.



Quote:

bodhisatta said:
Quote:

Niffla said:
Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:

It's clear as day in this thread too. What we have here is a massive global issue affecting our whole species, and half of what we have to wade through is moronic wank about the fucking political system in the US.

Jesus Christ give me a break!




Man it's so embarrassing. We have a global pandemic going on that has just about put the entire earth on pause, killed 120 thousand people, and all people here in the US can talk about (Trump supporters and Trump haters alike) is one man. Like I said before people are totally consumed by the guy. It's fucking weird. The obsession level is bordering on disease with some people.

You know what? My life now is more or less exactly the same as it was under Obama, under Bush, and under Clinton. And I guarantee you that for 99% of the completely obsessed Trump haters and supporters who don't let an hour pass by without thinking about the man -- their lives are pretty much the exact same as it was under the last administration. And the administration before that.

Yet here we are in global pandemic thread that's approaching 400 pages and there are probably as Many Donald Trump references as the actual virus itself :lol:

I think I've watched roughly a combined 20 minutes since this whole thing has started of his daily press conferences. Total. Meanwhile the fanatical liberal and conservative bases watch these pressers every day so they can either

:superscream:

:yess:

or

:triggered:

:panic:

I don't even care what they're doing on the federal level. If they make a decision on the national level that's enough to trickle down to me where I can feel it then I'll worry about it then. Until then I just worry about what my local city and state governments are doing. Because that's what's going to directly affect me.



Citizens are brainwashed into thinking voting and politics as being very important things.

No one in this thread is a Democrat or Republican. You don't belong to their club. You don't make money off of people like they can. You don't go to their parties. You're their poker chips.




Great post. Well said indeed!

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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26599735 - 04/14/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:

Citizens are brainwashed into thinking voting and politics as being very important things.

No one in this thread is a Democrat or Republican. You don't belong to their club. You don't make money off of people like they can. You don't go to their parties. You're their poker chips.




Oh no question about it, bodhi. But man we sure do got a ton of people in this country who believe they're a part of the club because they sit in front of their TVs and yell at it. Reminds me of sports fans who think they're a part of the team they root for because they bought a $20 t-shirt with the team's logo on it and get drunk and watch the games on tv every once in a while.

:racethread:

Anyway in other covid related news a guy in Indiana supposedly got an 8.2 million dollar coronavirus stimulus direct deposit by accident

:winnersurprise:

It has since been corrected btw


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