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Re: End of Empire [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26597979 - 04/13/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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"The bottom line is that the medical systems are controlled by financiers in order to serve financiers. Since you cannot serve people unless they get sick, the whole medical system is designed to make people sicker and sicker'" --Guylaine Lanctot, M.D.









Sorry but saying the medical system is designed to make people and sicker is just incredibly one sided.  Human nature being what it is, Obviously one side of the coin is always going to generally be dark and corrupted, while the other side is generally wholesome and noble.

Vaccines are incredible, and a large part of why modern society was able to flourish so much.  Overall they have done more good and saved more lives than any other practice of medicine in history- while the time period when the concept of immunization and vaccine development was going through trial and error, yeah some awful things happened around the world and at different times, damaging the public’s trust in professional medicine, and while I personally don’t think that the ends justify the means is a good philosophy, immunization, vaccines, and herd immunity are such a treasure for the entire species as a whole, that overlooking that fact because of the incidents were it was abused or misused is a mistake.

And I still haven’t watched those videos, but I live with 3 physicians right now and I can play it for them, and they can see if the logic behind it is sound in light of their masterful knowledge and experience.    How confident are you that it’s not a grift?  What do you think my family will say?

They are all some of the most noble and moral human beings I’ve ever met, and have not been bought out by Pharma or any special interests besides practicing medicine as an expression or extension of their faith to heal and alleviate suffering in others.

So I think your being duped by an easy cop out way of thinking , lots of straw man fallacies in it, instead of critically thinking and judging on a case by case basis with people. 


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Re: End of Empire [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26598152 - 04/13/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Suzanne Humphries is a waste of time.

check snopes and debunk yourself
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The flu vaccine has been the subject of a number of either completely or mostly incorrect claims made about its safety, which we have previously reviewed in detail. Here Elizabeth adds to that list with a new claim, made in the form of a link to a YouTube video featuring anti-vaccine activist, Natural News contributor and former nephrologist Suzanne Humphries in which she claims that “plenty” of medical literature demonstrates that a flu shot increases your risk of getting the flu or other respiratory diseases in following years.

This is a stretch. One small-scale study published in 2012 found an increased risk of “virologically-confirmed non-influenza infections,” arguing that “being protected against influenza, [flu shot] recipients may lack temporary non-specific immunity that protected against other respiratory viruses.” No other studies have replicated this result (though many have tried), and a number of larger-scale studies have, in fact, found no evidence that this is the case.

Elizabeth’s effort to turn the tragic deaths of eight senior citizens from the flu into an argument against influenza inoculation rests only on the premise that there is a significant risk to getting the flu shot in the first place. She has provided no credible evidence to support that claim because no credible evidence exists. Instead, she uses the testimony of someone who once provided a biblical rationale for avoiding vaccines to make her argument.

The fact is, unless you belong to a class of immunocompromised individuals, the flu shot is extremely safe but its effectiveness does vary year to year. Even in its least effective years, though, influenza immunization has been shown to reduce significantly the incidence of the virus at the population level, which ultimately means there will be fewer opportunities for someone to infect, as an example, eight Santa Barbara County residents.




a person blabbing on you tube video does not mean what they say is true.


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Re: End of Empire [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26598162 - 04/13/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: End of Empire [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26598201 - 04/13/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I am adamantly anti  anti-vaxxer.


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Re: End of Empire [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26598253 - 04/13/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

i'm excited to see what your family has to say, Blind.  i would actually recommend this lecture for them, or to anyone who is anti anti vaccer.



Part 1 Manufactured Consent MD Suzanne Humphries 2015


laughingdog,   

the problem starts in medical school, when future medical professionals are indoctrinated into biological sciences that are beguiled by Newton's atomistic view.  here, modern western medicine has dissected the whole living being into increasingly smaller pieces, and  in the process of this separation the systemic interconnectedness of the whole living being has been almost completely disregarded.

the connectivity of molecular biology can not be understood from its current dogmatic reductionist view consisting of strictly linear relationships.  by trying to deconstruct the human being to understand it, we end up with a degraded understanding.  academia is not exactly willing to take it's foundations and knock them down and start anew.  unfortunately, because understandings have been built off of vivisected principals the actual techniques practiced within the industry are literally broken down.

as far as Pasteur, legend has it that on his death bed he renounced germ theory.

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"the entire fabric of the germ theory of disease rests upon assumptions which not only have not been proved, but which are incapable of proof, and many of them can be proved to be the reverse of truth. The basic one of these unproven assumptions, the credit for which in its present form is wholly due to Pasteur, is the hypothesis that all the so called infectious and contagious disorders are caused by germs, each disease having its own specific germ, which germs have existed in the air from the beginning of things, and that though the body is closed to these pathogen's germs when in good health, when the vitality is lowered the body becomes susceptible to their inroads." M.L. Leverson, MD




the conflicting theory to germ theory, cellular theory, proposes that germs are a symptom of disease, not the cause of it.  in cellular theory, infection is a state, not a cause.  illness is first prevented, by cultivating health through diet, hygiene, and lifestyle.  in germ theory, infection is the cause, disease is the state.  the power and financial prowess of medical sciences has been based on the fear of disease, particularly infectious disease. 

in recent times autoimmune diseases have become an epidemic.  autoimmune diseases are three times more prevalent than they were three decades ago.  it can be demonstrated that this is not the result of altered diagnostic criteria or awareness.  these autoimmune diseases are a crisis created by the environments that we live in.  something has pushed human autoimmunity over the edge.  thanks to excess chemical, electromagnetic, mental, physical, and nutritional stresses the total human organism has become progressively challenged and degraded.


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Re: End of Empire [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26598274 - 04/13/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, I’ll wait for my younger brother to get home in a couple hours... he loves responding to individuals who have no idea about immunology, or medicine.  I’ll be sure to get him to respond via my account here before midnight if he doesn’t have an exam.  He can go into depth over the details much better than I ever would be able to.

I want to believe your heart is in the right place, but if you can keep an open mind without letting your brains fall out, I could see your view on some of these subjects mature to a real solid understanding.

You may assume that I, or he don’t know about the flaws, and the dark side of human nature in regards to history, medicine, pharma, conspiracies, vaccines, diseases etc, but I can assure that is not the case.  We know them and a good bit of history, and he knows that and the actual medical side, but we don’t let that get in the way of understanding what’s what.  Not in something as serious as this. 


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Re: End of Empire [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26598315 - 04/13/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I was just interested I don't know why you're getting so defensive. If you don't have a source to share then fine. :shrug:

I've never heard anyone echo that POV in media or on documentaries so naturally I am a little suspicious of it. Usually I have heard people saying that vaccines can be difficult to produce. I couldn't find anything very similar doing a quick google search either. It's not like I'm not open to the idea as it does seem reasonable in theory.

I found this.

"Myth: The search for an HIV vaccine has been going on for a long time and it just isn’t possible to find one that works.

Fact: The science of HIV-vaccine development is challenging, but scientific understanding continues to improve all the time. In just the past few years there have been promising results from the RV144 study in Thailand as well as exciting laboratory work, such as the discovery of new broadly neutralizing antibodies against HIV. HIV is a powerful opponent, but scientists are constantly learning from one another and using advanced technology to fight it. Science has come a long way in the 30 years since AIDS was discovered. In comparing preventive HIV vaccine work to other vaccine development, the time it has taken is not so surprising; it took 47 years to develop the polio vaccine!"




https://theprint.in/health/70-coronavirus-vaccines-in-development-3-candidates-already-undergoing-human-trials-who/400587/


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Re: End of Empire [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26598340 - 04/13/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

stop posting drivel from Suzanne Humphries.
it is garbage, fake information.
she is not a valid reference for anything.

check it out at snopes.

you are exposing an extreme lack of depth by posting her video's unless you mean to say - people like her and her followers are a viral disease that is killing the sanity of this country.


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Re: End of Empire [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26598424 - 04/13/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

well then, looks like i'm a virus.

do you think viruses can kill peoples sanity?


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Re: End of Empire [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26598451 - 04/13/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

thealienthatstegod,  afraid the lil bro called you an idiot, plus got his fiancé staying over, so yeah.  Afterwards he just gave me a look only siblings can understand, and that was that.  I’m afraid you must carry on as you were ... sorry love


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Re: End of Empire [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #26598578 - 04/13/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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https://theprint.in/health/70-coronavirus-vaccines-in-development-3-candidates-already-undergoing-human-trials-who/400587/




Okay I think I see a bit better what you are saying.

I do understand that a lot of government resources are being put into place to push out a vaccine for corona virus as fast as possible. No doubt down to a number of reasons, for instance; possibly because (without getting too in depth politically) a great many people's livelihoods rich and poor depend on it, and also possibly because unlike most diseases everybody is at risk of this or has someone they know who is at risk (short of collaborative effort there is no surefire protection, we can't say the same for AIDs). It's also a much faster and more apparent spreader. I think your view of where the motivation comes from for mobilising these resources is a little blunted, one sided, and cynical, not that there's so much wrong with that.

What's more nothing in this tells us whether placing heavy funding in research would mean a quick vaccine for AIDs and virus' like it or not. There are many reasons that this might be doable for corona virus and not for AIDs. It doesn't give us any kind of comparative information. I seem to remember reading a few articles lately with hopeful messages and speculations stating a number of reasons why it might be easier to create a vaccine for corona virus than other viral strains. We haven't hit the finish line of actually procuring a vaccine yet either so it's too early to say whether people can expect one soon just due to putting so many resouces in gear for it.


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Re: End of Empire [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26598637 - 04/13/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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well then, looks like i'm a virus.

do you think viruses can kill peoples sanity?




Relax, I think RGV is being a little overly cruel to start referring to people as viruses, people are just animals and everyone saint or sinner shares in the same nature. However we can become "infected" in a sense with certain theories that lend themselves to paranoia, which can become a kind of sickness inside us, and people would do well to take great care to bolster themselves against, and not to associate with these idea spheres.

For my part I can see where the theory you present does match itself up with the truth of the problems that are certainly there within modern medical practice. Problems that if I have my ear to the ground well enough the field is beginning to recognise in itself and make the first blundering attempts to self correct for. The only instance of a popular medical science of the past trying to treat the individual wholistically in some sense is perhaps in psychotherapeutic practice. But this practice has had difficulty producing results and so continues to. However the medical field do a very good job of curative physical medicines and treating symptoms and the evidence for that is all around you.

I think you have taken these ideas and recognised a few salient and truthful points, then said to yourself that if it they are correct in these areas then they must be also be correct in these other areas. Then you have taken other things within the overall message as gospel because of the backing that those points seems to give the message.

But IMO it's you who would be well placed to take a step back for a more wholistic view of what is going here and open yourself to the critique people have given to these theories.


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Re: End of Empire [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26598797 - 04/13/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Well if you want to "put your money where your mouth" is ignore all sensible precautions & go volunteer in a hospital where people are dying, and rely on your wholistic, quantum, pure, mind to protect yourself.


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Re: End of Empire [Re: laughingdog]
    #26598833 - 04/13/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, protect your body by emanating a field of of psychedelic fractals, and then use telekinesis to warp them into a shield around yourself !
The viral loads will get stuck in the fractals as they impact the shield, and infinitely traverse through fractals leading to alternative universes in the multiverse, rendering you invincible....and contaminating the rest of the multiverse in the process!

The fuck just happen, did I just cure covid19?

       
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Re: End of Empire [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #26598859 - 04/13/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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.    Seems to me that at the foundation of all these problems, is an insane amount of over population. I grew up in a small town, in the 1950s. I climbed trees, played in woods, the whole town felt safe, there was a lake, an empty field with green grass, a pond, a natural history  museum, and only one small down town area with shops. The first shopping center, mostly one story buildings was a novelty at first. There were no malls anywhere, and no franchised junk food outlets or big box stores. All stores were run by local families - real unique hardware stores, separate lumber yards,  book stores without coffee shops. Parking mostly wasn't a problem.
It was safe for kids to  ride their bikes all over town. There was a natural quality of life and the wonders of nature were part of it. There were both flower & vegetable gardens.
.    It was fun to visit a big city near by, with my parents - but it was obvious, the exciting hustle and bustle was no substitute, for the miracles of the natural world.
.    The birth rate of hunter gatherers, is regulated by the environment, even though humans have no breeding season and are always fertile, because they can't store food, and so on.
.    Many or most animals populations are regulated by a seasonal sexual cycle and/or predation and the struggle to find sufficient food and the vulnerability of offspring, and in the cases of large mammals like elephants the length of gestation.
.    Civilization destroyed the functioning of all these natural mechanisms, and resulted in over population immediately if we define it as degrading the immediate environment, enough to lower the nutritional quality of food, and increase the work necessary to produce it. Marvin Harris books detail how this occurred over and over again in civilization after civilization.
.    After the industrial revolution (tractors) and chemical revolution (chemical fertilizers, accelerating after WWII ), this process became became exponential, with the insane population numbers we have today and the resulting devastation of the planet.
.    It is almost taboo to point this out.  The American dream is to own your own house & have 2.5 kids. But humans obviously cannot sensibly control their own birth rate. To me this is totally obvious. But humans raised in big cities, have reality filters, just as those raised in orthodox religious families have another set of reality filters.
.    Then technology, and capitalist greed gave us factory farming, especially chicken and egg farms. This is where viruses evolve, as many come from birds. And in chicken factory farms there is no sunlight, no proper exercise, and the birds are confined with their poop, which is humid and full of bacteria and viruses. Cattle feed lots also confine animals with their shit. Mad cow disease came from feeding vegetarian browsers, feed that contained as a component dead cows.
.    The evidence is clear that among human follies accelerated virus evolution, and encouraging animal to human transmission, is only one of many.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/pandemics-history-prevention/





Oh yes, I think the most fundamental factor in our numerous crises is indeed a population of almost 8 billion and counting. (I mean just think about it, 8 billion people. My God.) The majority of the environmental, social, economic, political, etc., etc. issues we face -- especially the whole environmental crisis -- is a direct result of a population that went out of any reasonable control over a hundred years ago. With the whole world trying to live with a Western style of living, it absolutely does not work. And look around. It's just too many humans. I'm sure a variety of animal species agree with that.





"Human development reached an important and challenging milestone in 2014. That year, the United Nations announced that more than half of the world’s population lived in urban areas. The news raised questions about issues such as disease control, food production, education, housing, employment, and migration.

Today, 55% of the global population is urbanized, and by 2030 the U.N. projects that 60% of the global population will be urbanized. In the nearly five years since the world discovered this global demographic shift, the number of megacities — defined as cities with populations greater than 10 million — grew from 28 in 2014 to 33 in 2018, more than triple the number in 1990."

.    In other words the majority of humans now suffer from "nature deficit disorder", and have no idea of their connection with the natural world - which is one of the benefits of taking psychedelics in the rural countryside. It reconnects one with understanding the real meaning of: "quality of life", which money cannot buy.
Because of this blindness, of the majority of people, the planet will continue to be trashed. More viruses evolved to become transmissible to humans, and to become more deadly, due to factory farming, where they are fostered, as Michael Greger M.D.'s movie linked to above explains.

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2019/02/27/the-worlds-33-megacities/
https://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/world_cities/largest_cities-world.htm
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=biggest+cities+in+the+world&t=hy&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=nature+deficit+disorder&t=h_&ia=web


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Re: End of Empire [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #26598876 - 04/13/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Agreed. There aren't too many people only in sheer numeric terms but also in the fact that each human now wishes as his ideal life to live it out with as flush a red carpet as possible to serve as barrier between his self, his family, and the natural world, quite probably to divorce from the rest of society too. We furnish this carpet by plundering resources from earth and neighbour in whatever way we can.


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Re: End of Empire [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26598884 - 04/13/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Most people in highly developed nations live like Kings compared to the days of old.  It’s amazing.  The creature comforts of even the most humble household far outweigh a kings in the ancient world, minus the need for working from 9-5 or more or less for many.


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    #26599099 - 04/13/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Of course I am cynical, I am 56 years old, but I am not pessimistic. When shit hits the fan society will move and enemies will become temporary friends for the common good...I did say temporary. I think the overall effect of this will be good for everybody except those who died. This is not a societal breakdown but a trip through the crucible...we will become more efficient and more aware for a bit...but things will slide back as it gets easier. However, this may grant us some time to think and plan and reflect. As for me I am rather enjoying the peace and quiet. Work is more solitary, but as an essential employee I still have to go...Walmart is mostly empty so when I go there with PPE on I can get in and out quick.


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    #26599475 - 04/14/20 03:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Well if you want to "put your money where your mouth" is ignore all sensible precautions & go volunteer in a hospital where people are dying, and rely on your wholistic, quantum, pure, mind to protect yourself.




ohk.  i won't question the understanding of medical science again with this crowd.  i apologize.  i am always hesitant to share my actual personal experience, because the topic can't even be broached without being labeled something, and misunderstanding easily ensues. 

my first mistake was in assuming that this topic can be broached and discussed in anything outside of a conspiracy forum.  i apologize for the thread interruption, DQ.

i licked the grocery cart handle the other day at the store, just to make my point to a friend.  of course, there is a question about my intelligence after a licking a grocery cart handle during a pandemic.


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Re: End of Empire [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26599742 - 04/14/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don't believe anything you say any more. hahaha.

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