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Re: It was leaked from a lab [Re: koods]
#26599345 - 04/14/20 12:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: Except this virus likely mutated in an animal shortly before it infected a person. The chance that one of these mutations are capable of causing a human disease is very tiny. It’s the large number of human-animal interactions that make these diseases likely.
How were researchers studying a virus that didn’t exist five months ago?
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koods said: Except this virus likely mutated in an animal shortly before it infected a person. The chance that one of these mutations are capable of causing a human disease is very tiny. It’s the large number of human-animal interactions that make these diseases likely.
How were researchers studying a virus that didn’t exist five months ago?
Ok and if that is unlikely what are the odds it can Jump from humans to dogs and cats, and fucking tigers in the new york zoo lol
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Re: It was leaked from a lab [Re: budmanman]
#26599352 - 04/14/20 12:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why would that be unlikely? Viruses move back and forth between species all the time. This one just managed to have an unlucky mutations that made it capable of causing disease.
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Re: It was leaked from a lab [Re: koods]
#26599385 - 04/14/20 01:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Most the time, viral inter species transmission is rare, example there are likely thousands of bat Corona Viruses, up until Sars type viruses, there were only 4 human corona viruses, now there are those 4 and 3 sars types. Which have all came into existence in a 17 year period. A little odd too, that there was no major Corona Viruses with severe respiratory symptoms, and then in a 17 year period there are 3.
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Re: It was leaked from a lab [Re: budmanman]
#26599387 - 04/14/20 01:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The reason inter species transmission of Viruses is rare, is Viruses have little nubs that hang off of them, they are like keys to open specialized doors, these keys attach to the cell food sensors, if it is the wrong key the cell doesn't think it is food and rejects consuming it, if the key matches though, it will eat it, the keys to enter bat cells are much different than the keys to enter our cells, along with any other species.
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Re: It was leaked from a lab [Re: budmanman]
#26599391 - 04/14/20 01:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Aren't spores like, the ideal medium for surviving the vacuum of space? I think McKenna had some good stuff on that. Interesting either way.
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idk maybe, but Viruses are not really spore like. Most Viruses can die from UV light, but last I heard this Corona Virus is somewhat resistant to UV rays.
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Re: It was leaked from a lab [Re: budmanman] 2
#26599533 - 04/14/20 04:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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My bet is going with China dicking around in a lab and getting sloppy when it comes to keeping what they’re fucking around with contained. Occam’s razor bruh...
China is a problem.
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Re: It was leaked from a lab [Re: HappySloth]
#26600089 - 04/14/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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A report has shown that the Wuhan Institute of Virology studied bats captured from caves in Yunnan, which is thought to be where the animals at the source of the outbreak originated, reported the Mail on Sunday.
The findings of a five-year study were published in a research paper titled ‘Discovery of a rich gene pool of bat SARS-related coronaviruses provides new insights into the origin of SARS coronavirus’. According to the research, scientists have discovered large numbers of SARS-related coronaviruses in horseshoe bats in different areas of China since 2005. However, those specifically in the Yunnan caves had 11 different, new sequences of coronavirus. The lab’s experiments are part of a project to examine the source of coronaviruses following outbreaks of diseases such as SARS. So far, it has received about $3.7 million (about £2,972,600) in grants from the US National Institutes of Health.
^ From a news source here
Sounds very dodgy. IMO looks like it came out that lab for sure.
And funded by USA too 
Reading an article right now about it at work. Claims this Wuhan lab was the subject of "multiple urgent warnings" inside the US State Department 2 years ago.
The UK, according to this article, is now saying the theory that this virus was leaked can "no longer be discounted".
Foreign affairs expert Gordon Chang says that "many Chinese believe the virus was either deliberately released or accidentally escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a P4-level bio-safety facility."
He added: "This lab, known for studying coronaviruses, is not far from the market thar had been initially identified as the source of the outbreak."
In a series of diplomatic cables labeled "Sensitive but Unclassified", US Embassy officials warned that the lab had massive management weaknesses and it posed a severe health risk.
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Re: It was leaked from a lab [Re: Amanita86]
#26600116 - 04/14/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: My bet is going with China dicking around in a lab and getting sloppy when it comes to keeping what they’re fucking around with contained. Occam’s razor bruh...
China is a problem.
Wrong use of Occam’s razor. The most reasonable explanation is it spread from animal to humans just as zoonotic diseases always have. There is nothing special about this virus and nothing surprising about this happening. It is to be expected.
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Re: It was leaked from a lab [Re: Niffla]
#26600122 - 04/14/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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A post I came across browsing the internet: Just another wild conspiracy theory perhaps? Maybe. Idk probably even. Who knows. But an interesting read nonetheless. Verbatim:
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Covid-19 is 85% similar to coronaviruses found in bats. None of the naturally occurring, bat-born viruses are transmittable to humans. The analysis of the genome however, shows that Covid-19 is a bat virus, but in a SARS wrapper, with HIV receptors. The SARS and HIV components are 100% identical to their respective parent pathogens and enable Covid-19 to be transmitted to humans. This type of mutation is statistically impossible outside of a laboratory. There is also evidence (that the CCP is desperately trying to cover-up) that patient zero was a female researcher at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a P4 Laboratory where they studied and worked with...you guessed it...coronaviruses in bats. The Wuhan lab is one of only 2, level 4 labs in China and both are used for bioweapons research. That researcher has long since died of the coronavirus.
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Re: It was leaked from a lab [Re: Niffla] 1
#26600135 - 04/14/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I been saying this shit for weeks
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Re: It was leaked from a lab [Re: Niffla]
#26600137 - 04/14/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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There were multiple concerns with the Wuhan lab when being built and during its operation before the outbreak, I haven’t looked to see if those concerns ended up related to our rona pandemic though.
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/coronavirus-spreads-leads-theories-origin-200407073509327.html
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The BSL-4 lab was not the only laboratory in the city of 11 million people that was collecting bat viruses.
In mid-February, scientists from two of China's most prestigious polytechnics, including one in Wuhan, circulated a pre-print paper, one that has not undergone peer review, detailing accidents involving bats at the lab of the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). After being attacked and urinated on by the bats, a researcher quarantined himself for 14 days.
The CDC lab is located280 metres (919 feet) from the seafood market and across the street from the hospital that were the sites of the earliest clusters of COVID-19 cases. The authors made a circumstantial case for the virus "probably originate[ing] from a laboratory in Wuhan".
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Re: It was leaked from a lab [Re: Niffla]
#26600149 - 04/14/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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So is there really evidence that patient zero was potentially a researcher at this lab?
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Re: It was leaked from a lab [Re: Niffla]
#26600150 - 04/14/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

SARS CoV and SAR Co-2 are very distinct with not many similarities in the proteins
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cannabinated said: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/coronavirus-spreads-leads-theories-origin-200407073509327.html
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The BSL-4 lab was not the only laboratory in the city of 11 million people that was collecting bat viruses.
In mid-February, scientists from two of China's most prestigious polytechnics, including one in Wuhan, circulated a pre-print paper, one that has not undergone peer review, detailing accidents involving bats at the lab of the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). After being attacked and urinated on by the bats, a researcher quarantined himself for 14 days.
The CDC lab is located280 metres (919 feet) from the seafood market and across the street from the hospital that were the sites of the earliest clusters of COVID-19 cases. The authors made a circumstantial case for the virus "probably originate[ing] from a laboratory in Wuhan".
Wow. This lab was less than a thousand feet from the market?!?
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Re: It was leaked from a lab [Re: Niffla]
#26600155 - 04/14/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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*Ahem, coughs*
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Re: It was leaked from a lab [Re: koods]
#26600157 - 04/14/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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None of the naturally occurring, bat-born viruses are transmittable to humans.
Until they are. Bats are probably the most dangerous species in terms of being able to harbor mutations capable of infecting humans.
There is absolutely no genetic evidence suggesting this is a manipulated virus
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Re: It was leaked from a lab [Re: koods]
#26600162 - 04/14/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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This thread should go in the conspiracy forum
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