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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26602879 - 04/15/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Socrateshroom. as for the gas, I get what you're saying. I get a little bloated, both on LSA and the one time I ate the fresh last weekend, but nothing out of control. I never get gas pains or intestinal distress. So that's not really an issue to me. Plus it really doesn't last very long anyway. From what I can see, it seemed to last much longer with the Woodrose/MG seeds than it did with the shrooms. But nothing more than a very minor, even inconsequential annoyance.

I may try tea then, just for the different experience since I am going to be all about experimentation this coming late Spring and summer. But without knowing one way or the other, I have the feeling I am not going to like the tea as much as just eating them. I like the duration of shrooms. Not too long, not too short. I also like the slow buildup. I was never a big fan of One minute you're straight as the Pope, the next...WHAM! You're peaking. I had that experience once, and it was the strangest experience of my life. It was also quite terrifying at fist, as it happened like 10 hours later, out of nowhere, long after I thought I had eaten fake acid at a Dead show in Madison Square Garden and never got off on it.

I'll try the tea, though, if for no other reason, just for shits and giggles.

One more thing. As far as hating eating them fresh, lol I could care less how I eat them. I can't tell you the horrible, malignant-tasting protein shakes, meal replacement powders, energy and nutrition bars I choked down in the 90's. Now they make these things taste a helliuva lot better than they used to, I can tell you that for damn sure! But as someone who is a sort of hobbyist bodybuilder, and fitness nut, I got so used to eating and drinking the most foul tasting, albeit nutrient dense concoctions that shrooms are nothing, fresh or dried. Hell, even scoffing down a teaspoon of Hawaiian Woodrose seeds, powdered by my coffee grinder, was no biggie. And LMAO that seed powder tastes a helluva lot worse than fresh shrooms. :laugh:

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It’s the beauty of growing your own healthy, organic, loved mushrooms, LSA :thumbup:

I rarely get nausea, though I vomited once. But that was from mixing with really strong cannabis! My “problem” symptoms are the excessive yawning, and the frequent urination! I’ll tend to go to the loo quite a few times on the come up, then it seems to slow down (a little bit ). I have been considering buying a camping toilet for the downstairs trip room, but on reflection, probably not the most sensible idea to have what is effectively a bucket of urine in your trip space :uhoh:




I get the yawns, too, sometimes while tripping, but only when relaxing. If I decide to get on my bicycle or do some other trip-friendly activity, then I don't yawn at all. Unlike with LSD, which I remember from years ago being very speedy, I always half feel like I could go to sleep on shrooms and LSA from Woodrose of MG seeds.



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I have been considering buying a camping toilet for the downstairs trip room, but on reflection, probably not the most sensible idea to have what is effectively a bucket of urine in your trip space :uhoh:





Ewww.

That said, I got your trip-room toilet right here, bitch.

(Holy shit, that guy below looks both like an adult child AND a pedophile!)









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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26603034 - 04/15/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Everyone is different. Some get intense nausea from them. I never have (I always fast 6 or more hours before my trips, don’t know if that helps).

But it’s exactly as you’ve said. Experiment for the hell of it. You might find a particular method of ingestion you like better than the rest.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26603173 - 04/15/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Everyone is different. Some get intense nausea from them. I never have (I always fast 6 or more hours before my trips, don’t know if that helps).




Oh, I am absolutely, unequivocally certain that fasting mitigates, or eliminates completely, any nausea, and any greater-than-minor gastrointestinal discomfort. Now, I cannot prove that, of course. However, while these substances have not been studied exhaustively because of their schedule I status, I think that with all the studies on fasting and intermittent fasting, and all of the health benefits that go with it, I honestly don’t think it’s a big leap. I believe that not having food anywhere near your upper G.I. tract is going to be of profound benefit when ingesting all of these various organic compounds that cause vasoconstriction in the stomach and intestines.

Again, I can’t prove this, because these substances are not well studied, which by the way is very unfortunate, but that’s another conversation entirely. But I think my hypothesis is sound, at the very least.

Anybody who hasn’t tried fasting, and I don’t mean just for a couple of hours, I’m talking 12 or more hours preferably, I think you’ll find it incredibly beneficial in alleviating most or even all of the various gastrointestinal disturbances that are concomitant with all of these organic, psychedelic compounds across-the-board.

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But it’s exactly as you’ve said. Experiment for the hell of it. You might find a particular method of ingestion you like better than the rest.




That’s the plan, brother!


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26603327 - 04/15/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What a great idea, LSA. I’m not sure what would be worse; my daughter walking in and seeing dad on his knees pissing in a bucket, or dad laid there in a nappy :smile:

Oh and try the tea. Don’t use lemon juice, just water. I have never eaten mushrooms to trip,  only different styles of tea, or smoothie. The come up can be fast, 20 mins to an hour and a half; and the trip can be short to long, 3 to 6 hours.

That’s perfect for me, though I tend to prefer towards the 6 hour mark than the 3  :cookiemonster:


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26603435 - 04/15/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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What a great idea, LSA. I’m not sure what would be worse; my daughter walking in and seeing dad on his knees pissing in a bucket, or dad laid there in a nappy :smile:




Best of luck with all your daughter's future therapy bills either way!

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DJ Ed said:Oh and try the tea. Don’t use lemon juice, just water. I have never eaten mushrooms to trip,  only different styles of tea, or smoothie. The come up can be fast, 20 mins to an hour and a half; and the trip can be short to long, 3 to 6 hours.

That’s perfect for me, though I tend to prefer towards the 6 hour mark than the 3  :cookiemonster:




I will definitely try the tea within the coming weeks. First I want to do some test dosing to find my ideal dose and to test fresh and dry to try and see if I can determine how much, if any, potency loss I have gotten with drying.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26603490 - 04/15/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Too much replies to read but wanted to share my experience

Ive never really noticed any tolerance with mushrooms

Ive dosed them two days in a row before

Multiple times in a week

Microdosed daily for a month with big doses thrown in

You can really do it however you want

They kinda self regulate imo

I would try 3g if i were you

Oh and as far as fresh and dry, i cant say i ever noticed much difference though some people say fresh were better or different for them


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: Enkidu]
    #26603644 - 04/15/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Too much replies to read but wanted to share my experience

Ive never really noticed any tolerance with mushrooms

Ive dosed them two days in a row before

Multiple times in a week

Microdosed daily for a month with big doses thrown in

You can really do it however you want

They kinda self regulate imo




Well your experiences with tolerance seems to be in the minority, but that doesn’t mean you aren’t correct either. I’ve heard what you said above expressed by people as well. I guess I’ll see soon enough, because I am experimenting right now, I’m looking forward to seeing how all this shakes out in terms of dosages, frequency, intensity, and such.

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I would try 3g if i were you




Not going to happen, at least not this weekend.

If that’s the dosage I’m going to find that’s best suited to me, I’ll get there soon enough. I have the whole summer coming up to really mess around and experiment with this stuff. Just for now,  I’m spacing all of my initial shrooms dosing one week apart, just until I figure out what my ideal dosage is. I am absolutely, unequivocally not going to rush this. If 2.5 g of dried in capsules is a little lower than my preference, then the next time, which will be the week after the Saturday, I’ll start at 3.0 g.

The Saturday that just passed, I ate 18 g of fresh, and after about an hour and a half, I ate another 5 g of fresh just to add to the experience. as expected, it was a little bit on the light side, but as I said, I’m in no hurry to find my ideal dose.  I am going to have some capsules with me this Saturday, so I can always take a little bit more if I want it. Actually LOL 2.5 g this Saturday is a little higher than I had intended to go. My original intent was to do 2.2 g, and have a couple of capsules in reserve in case I wanted more after it started hitting me, but when I did my capsules after putting the dried into a coffee grinder they all ended up at 0.5 g each. So I will work in those increments for now.

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Oh and as far as fresh and dry, i cant say i ever noticed much difference though some people say fresh were better or different for them




I guess I’ll find out soon enough what ends up being true for me in this regard.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26603761 - 04/15/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If your grow was multispore there will be genetic differences between different fruits and even on the same fruit.  So one could be very strong and one could be not so great.  This makes it hard to set dosages unless you mix them all together - an advantage of tea. :snoopyes:


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26603849 - 04/15/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

PrimalSoup, another reason I am going slow with the dosages. I may be wrong, but I have a feeling that I’ll be getting somewhat consistent results. Keep in mind, that I’m not a connoisseur of shrooms. I’m sure that keeping the dosages decent, but not too high, will mean my worst case scenario will hopefully be an overly mild experience. Not the reverse LOL.

In the end, they’re all different strains of the same species. I may not know my ass from a hole in the ground, but hopefully there won’t be such a huge disparity between doses that I won’t be able to get any kind of a handle whatsoever on what to take and when. Otherwise I may have to just ditch these shrooms entirely and unfortunately stick with morning glory seeds and Hawaiian Woodrose seeds. I like shrooms a lot better, but at least LSA is predictable in terms of dose to response and effect. I don’t really need that kind a sword of Damocles over my head every time I take a handful of shrooms, to be quite honest. It’s just not worth it to me.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26603962 - 04/15/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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PrimalSoup, another reason I am going slow with the dosages. I may be wrong, but I have a feeling that I’ll be getting somewhat consistent results. Keep in mind, that I’m not a connoisseur of shrooms. I’m sure that keeping the dosages decent, but not too high, will mean my worst case scenario will hopefully be an overly mild experience. Not the reverse LOL.

In the end, they’re all different strains of the same species. I may not know my ass from a hole in the ground, but hopefully there won’t be such a huge disparity between doses that I won’t be able to get any kind of a handle whatsoever on what to take and when. Otherwise I may have to just ditch these shrooms entirely and unfortunately stick with morning glory seeds and Hawaiian Woodrose seeds. I like shrooms a lot better, but at least LSA is predictable in terms of dose to response and effect. I don’t really need that kind a sword of Damocles over my head every time I take a handful of shrooms, to be quite honest. It’s just not worth it to me.




If you grind up a whole batch and encapsulate, you’ll get pretty consistent doses. That’s the best way IMO and how I do it.

I just got lazy on my last batch and decided to leave em and eat them dry instead of making capsules.

Primal is right about potency variations in MS grows, however, I’ve yet to have any real major disparity when dosing the same amount of dry. Only once was the experience very underwhelming for a large dose. Every other time when I ate X grams, it always felt like X grams.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26604499 - 04/16/20 12:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hi LSA

If you want to compare comparative potency of dry versus fresh, I’d recommend homogenising the flush; dry half of the flush so that from the before and after drying weights, you will know the water cone]tent of the entire flush. You will then be able to work out the dry equivalent strength of the fresh doses. And if as PrimalSoup recommends makingntea (and freezing), and Socrateshroom grinding the dry and putting in capsules, you will have homogenised doses of both dry and fresh.

Hope that makes sense?
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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26604572 - 04/16/20 01:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, homogenising batches is the key to accurate dosing. Each shroom can differ in potency which makes dosing whole shrooms a gambling.

I always grind my dried shrooms to a fine powder and make chocolates.
The powder is then locked airtight and dark within the chocolate.
I store them in the fridge but that's not necessary. The chocolate might turn white overtime in the fridge, but that's not bad and doesn't affect any potency. They are still good after years.

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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26605689 - 04/16/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

To the point you three are bringing out about grinding up a batch and encapsulating, I definitely see the wisdom of that. In fact, I sort of accidentally stumbled onto this the other day when I did just that. I had a jar of about 40 grams of cracker dry shrooms from my Costa Rico batch. I grabbed a handful of random shrooms, totaling just over 6 grams and dumped them into my coffee grinder. I wanted 6, but I knew there would be a small amount of waste/loss in the powdering, transferring, and encapsulating, so I took 6.3. Worked out almost perfectly, since I was very careful with my precious powder. See the pic below. After I tared the unit, both for the weight of the empty gelatin capsules and the little glass dish they sit in, that's what I ended up with. Which is almost exactly 0.25 grams each capsule.

The only thing is that I'm not sure how much of a good sample I got. Meaning if I really wanted to know the relative potency, dose for dose, gram for gram, of all that was in that mason jar of dried, I think what you guys are suggesting is that I should have ground up all 40ish grams, then encapsulated all of that?

If so, I kind of agree.

Although, there is one reason I may have gotten a better sample than I think. All of those shrooms were from a big Costa Rico haul and randomly strewn into the dehydrator. Perhaps not as good as if I had simply ground up all 40 grams rather than just 6.3 grams grabbed off the pile.

Pandemoon, the chocolate thing sounds like a really good idea. But I'm not sure that would work for me. I always fast for a minumum of 8 to 12 hours before a trip. Even though the chocolate I would eat to get at the powdered shrooms inside is not like a huge meal, I really don't want any food in my system before a trip. Well other than the remnants of food in my lower colon that would only be gone with a 24 hour fast, give or take.



Here is an important question:
How long will dried, powdered, encapsulated shrooms last in that form? I assume not as long as if one leaves them cracker-dry but intact?




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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26605710 - 04/16/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You need to get them in a sealed airtight container ASAP. And yes, you should grind the entire amount, or make tea from the entire amount, or 50:50 :thumbup:

There is nothing worse after sometimes months of preparation, to have randomised weak mushrooms that don’t get you to the goal...


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26605799 - 04/16/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

As DJ Ed said, to get a real homogenization, you need to grind up or tea the whole batch, otherwise you might have grabbed a strong handful, weak handful etc.

And my capsules batch is still going strong after a year so I’d say at least that much time if not more it’ll be good for. But, just as DJ Ed said, get those capsules in a glass airtight container with a food grade desiccant pack and keep it all in a cool dark place.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26605800 - 04/16/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You need to get them in a sealed airtight container ASAP. And yes, you should grind the entire amount, or make tea from the entire amount, or 50:50 :thumbup:

There is nothing worse after sometimes months of preparation, to have randomised weak mushrooms that don’t get you to the goal...




Can I assume a mason jar is all right?

How long will they last if they are ground to powder, and put into a mason jar, which presumably is air tight? Versus how long for the dried, whole shrooms in another mason jar?


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26605806 - 04/16/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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As DJ Ed said, to get a real homogenization, you need to grind up or tea the whole batch, otherwise you might have grabbed a strong handful, weak handful etc.

And my capsules batch is still going strong after a year so I’d say at least that much time if not more it’ll be good for. But, just as DJ Ed said, get those capsules in a glass airtight container with a good grade desiccant pack and keep it all in a cool dark place.




LMAO You Ninja'd me, posting this like 30 seconds before I hit the "Continue" button.

Okay, great, I will grind up batches then. Great to know about the shelf life!

Oh I do have to wait before I start the megagrind-fest, though! I am still experimenting with dosing, and how much potency the dry is holding after 24 hours in the dehydrator. So what I intend to do is use the 6 grams I have in capsules over the next week or two. Once I determine that the drying didn't fuck me out of my shrooms, (like say I have a defective dehydrator) then I will start grinding and encapsulating whole batches. :mushroom2:


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    #26605966 - 04/16/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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As DJ Ed said, to get a real homogenization, you need to grind up or tea the whole batch, otherwise you might have grabbed a strong handful, weak handful etc.

And my capsules batch is still going strong after a year so I’d say at least that much time if not more it’ll be good for. But, just as DJ Ed said, get those capsules in a glass airtight container with a good grade desiccant pack and keep it all in a cool dark place.




LMAO You Ninja'd me, posting this like 30 seconds before I hit the "Continue" button.

Okay, great, I will grind up batches then. Great to know about the shelf life!

Oh I do have to wait before I start the megagrind-fest, though! I am still experimenting with dosing, and how much potency the dry is holding after 24 hours in the dehydrator. So what I intend to do is use the 6 grams I have in capsules over the next week or two. Once I determine that the drying didn't fuck me out of my shrooms, (like say I have a defective dehydrator) then I will start grinding and encapsulating whole batches. :mushroom2:




What’s wrong with your dehydrator?


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    #26606164 - 04/16/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

ROFLMAO, Socrateshroom!!

I wasn’t saying there’s something wrong with my dehydrator, I’m saying that I dehydrated that batch that went into the mason jar, and before I commit to using that same dehydrator for a lot more, I want to make sure that everything’s all right with what I dehydrated already LOL. When I eat a handful of those capsules I posted a picture of above, this weekend, I’ll have a better idea of what the potency is compared to the 18 g of fresh I ate last weekend. I’m sure my dehydrator is fine. But before I commit to using it again on another batch, I’m just sort of hedging my bet, that’s all. :sun:


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    #26606240 - 04/16/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The dehydrator itself doesn't make a difference. It either dried them or not


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