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OfflineLSA Woodrose
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Space Between Shroom Trips * 1
    #26599072 - 04/13/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, so I am in the middle of my initial harvesting for my very first n00b grow. The Saturday that just passed, I ate a mere 16.9 gram fresh mushroom, and an hour later took another 5 grams. It was a relatively mild trip, as expected, but I wanted to test the waters as before then, I hadn't done shrooms in a long time and wasn't sure what to expect. My next trip I want to go up by about 33%, meaning either 22 grams fresh or 2.2 grams dry. I have heard different reports, but most people say a week between trips is the way to go without losing effect due to tolerance.

Also, since I am growing my own now, is the experience with dry different than the experience with fresh? Other than the obvious of having to chew raw, full mushrooms, I mean. Okay, so since I am growing now, and am getting some level of abundance, what if there are some weeks I want to do more than one trip? Is there any sort of a decent formula for how much to go up to get the same effect? I assume tripping two days in a row, one would have to maybe even double the dose for the same effect? What about 2 days between trips? 3, 4, or 5? Is there some sort of a sliding scale that's known for those who don't want to wait until tolerance goes back down all the way to baseline?

Thanks all, happy trails! :mushroom2:


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26599088 - 04/13/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Congrats man I knew you could do it!!

I've been doing it every week for the last month and have no issues with tolerance. I'd recommend 1-2 weeks, better to wait at least 2 weeks to regain the "magic" feeling of mushrooms.

Fresh is more potent, drying mushrooms is mainly for storage purposes. I always dry my entire flushes because I don't intend to eat them then and there.

Some people have success tripping two days in a row without increasing dosage much. I'd always recommend at least a week because it will guarantee you'll be at least close to baseline.

Can't wait to hear all your trip reports, told you growing was easy :cheers:


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26599161 - 04/13/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

One week and you will def. trip, two weeks and you might, I dunno, like, it depends what you want.  If you have grown a bunch of mushrooms, you might as well experiment yourself, no two bodies are exactly the same.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: malfenderson] * 2
    #26599273 - 04/13/20 11:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I haven’t tripped shrooms in a year and fine with that. Back when I was doing it I was probably going in once every 3 weeks or so over the course of a good year. No issues with that frequency; but, bigger reality shattering doses should probably be spaced out more for purposes of reflection and integration.

In terms of physical tolerance, you should be good in 7-10 days.

I tripped sporadically before that intensive year. Plan when return to it when work-related and social routines become conducive to it again. There is definitely something to be said for having active and inactive phases with this stuff.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26599318 - 04/14/20 12:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Awesome, great work. :thumbup:

Weekly intervals are fine to remove “most” tolerance, two weeks as Socrateshroom says, will allow “the magic” back. But there are many factors, nd a lot is personal. I have been tripping at two week intervals for over six months now, and I’m starting to think I have some tolerance. “Magic” trip’s are becoming more sporadic.

I have noticed in the past tripping at one week intervals, that by the 3rd week, the magic has more or less completely gone.

You can still trip, but those “magical” elements are missing.

That’s alright once in a while, but for profound meaningful trips, I need the magic. You and your brain and body can be the judge of this,

Wait for PrimalSoup to comment; he regularly trips days after day after day; he talks about day 2 = 1.5x the dose of day 1, day 3 = 1.5x the dose of day 2, up to a maximum of about 250g fresh.


Oh and your question on fresh over dry: fresh is always 10x a nicer trip than from dry, as the drying process destroys at least 50% of the psilocin. Psilocybin does not seem as badly affected by the drying process (hence why liberty caps are a great candidate for drying).

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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: DJ Ed] * 2
    #26599323 - 04/14/20 12:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Should have also added; that’s why I’m trying to perfect a technique to freeze mushroom tea made f4om fresh mushrooms, to keep the bulk of the psilocin, and retain those fast, visual, exciting trips....


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26599587 - 04/14/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Socrateshroom said:
Congrats man I knew you could do it!!




Thanks, brother!


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Socrateshroom said:
I've been doing it every week for the last month and have no issues with tolerance. I'd recommend 1-2 weeks, better to wait at least 2 weeks to regain the "magic" feeling of mushrooms.




Great advice thanks. There is another variable here, though. I know I asked the question about potency versus tolerance, which you answered. But something else occurred to me, reading your post. How much should I really care about tolerance?

I think that if I were copping shrooms off some random dealer, or at one of the shows my Grateful Dead cover band plays, I would be paying...what, about $10.00 to $15.00 per gram? So, assuming I wasn't buying an ounce, which would usually net me a nice discount, a trip would essentially cost me about $30.00 or more? But my situation has completely changed in the past couple of weeks, or the past week since even an initial harvest has yielded 10 ounces of fresh, which dried to almost a full ounce. I also have about 120 grams of fresh in the fridge, and I think today I will end up picking well over 100 grams. And only HALF my 24 cakes have either completed their first flush or are about to in the next day or three. I'm having difficulty even imagining what kind of a haul I will end up with for long term storage.

I mean, I know I asked a tolerance question, but I think my current situation literally changes everything. Once I get a handle on what doses are good for me for mild trips, moderate trips, and microdosing, then I think I will just say screw the tolerance, and try to figure out how much I need to up the doses for the effect I am searching for. At least if I am looking to go through phases of dosing more often, to one degree or another.


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Fresh is more potent, drying mushrooms is mainly for storage purposes. I always dry my entire flushes because I don't intend to eat them then and there.




I have been reading up on this since I posted this thread, and it appears that most people generally agree that the low heats of your typical dehydrators like mine don't appreciably effect the psilocybin in the shrooms; but what they do seem to effect is the psilocin, which is apparently a lot more heat labile than the psilocybin.

I haven't scientifically verified this by reading any research, so since I just got it off the intrawebs, I take it with some mild skepticism.

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Can't wait to hear all your trip reports, told you growing was easy :cheers:




Yes, you most certainly did. Don't get me wrong, I am making my share of mistakes. Over-misting is most asssuredly my biggest. Something Logical Chaos was able to point out to me just by looking at my last pics I posted in the Cultivation forum.

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Should have also added; that’s why I’m trying to perfect a technique to freeze mushroom tea made f4om fresh mushrooms, to keep the bulk of the psilocin, and retain those fast, visual, exciting trips....




This I may be very interested in over the coming weeks/months.

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DJ Ed said:
Oh and your question on fresh over dry: fresh is always 10x a nicer trip than from dry, as the drying process destroys at least 50% of the psilocin. Psilocybin does not seem as badly affected by the drying process (hence why liberty caps are a great candidate for drying).





I just need to clarify something. When you say 10x you are being extremely hyperbolic, right? I get the feeling that what you mean to say is that you like fresh somewhat better? I just want to be clear. Because I have taken dried shrooms in the past, and I took fresh for the first time this past weekend. And while I can't yet comment on which is better, since I took dried shrooms literally decades ago, I can say with an absolute certainty that my experience with fresh was most definitely not 10x better.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26599600 - 04/14/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Haha you caught me out; common fault of mine is hyperbole! What I should have said was that, subjectively speaking, I much prefer the trip from fresh to dry. It is quicker onset, much more visual, more magic, and seems to take me much further, in a less scary way!

Regarding your comments back to Socrateshroom, it is not the dehydrator heat that causes the dg\egradation, it is the length of time exposed to air. So the dehydrator is the best method BY FAR of drying mushrooms. I can dry an entire flush, uncut, within 4 hours at 70 degrees Celsius (approx 170 F). I previously used to spend a week drying mushrooms with a fan then a desiccant chamber, and with those didn’t notice a drop in potency... Also note recently I threw away 2 flushes worth of frozen tea ice cubes, as I hadn’t sealed them once frozen. The psychoactives, notably the psilocin, has basically disappeared in around a week,while in the freezer, exposed to freezer oxygen!!

Check out the shroomery Doseage calculator; you will note it has approx figures for loss of psychoactives while drying; you will lose approx 50% psilocin, but only 20% psilocybin.

I am still drying some flushes, for the convenience of say if I wanted to trip on a camping expedition, or hike. But I am starting to store tea from fresh, to retain those “nicer elements” of the trip.

Final comment now you are self-sufficient in mushroom stocks; you’ll work out the tolerance aspects personal to you through trial and error. Once you have had a few trips where “the magic” was lacking, you’ll build your own picture of what works or not.

Mush love
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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26599645 - 04/14/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Im curious how accurate those calculators are.

I thought dehydration did not effect potency, the calculator seems to contradict that.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26599977 - 04/14/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Im curious how accurate those calculators are.

I thought dehydration did not effect potency, the calculator seems to contradict that.




I hate to say it, but when I consult multiple sources around the web, hell even different threads in this forum, there really seems to be no definitive answers I can find. Some people will quote scientific evidence that psilocybin is not even close to heat labile enough to degrade at all with drying via fan and heat at or around the 170s Fahrenheit. I think one thing universally agreed upon is that heat (well, actually I think its the oxygen) will definitely degrade the psilocyn.

Here's the thing, though. How much degradation? Is it 10%? 30? 50? More? I'm not sure that there is any evidence other than anecdotal from many varied trip reports. I'm sure the information is out there somewhere. I can only say I haven't seen anything definitive. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, because I am learning as I go here.


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Haha you caught me out; common fault of mine is hyperbole!




Nah, lol not at all. I was definitely NOT calling you out, brother! I may be a total n00b, but I'm not stupid. I was 99% sure that you were using hyperbole as a tool to make your point. The only reason I didn't just let it go, and decided to ask, was because this forum very often has people posting a wealth of very detailed, empirical information. My intent was only to make sure I was right, not to criticize your posting style.

lol I never honestly believed my parents intended murder when I was a kid and my Mom ran after me with the dreaded wooden spoon yelling, "I'm gonna kill you!"

Hyperbole is a natural part of our vernacular, not a flaw in your conversational style.

Just saying.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26600045 - 04/14/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It is clear in the guidelines that it is an approximation. Best thing you can do is alter the figures as per your particular grow setup and findings. If you check the source data, there can be wild variances in potency; reckon 1-4x on home grown, 1-10x difference on wild.

It’s giving the approximate average values, but is a great guide for beginners.

Mush love
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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26600554 - 04/14/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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LSA Woodrose said:
Great advice thanks. There is another variable here, though. I know I asked the question about potency versus tolerance, which you answered. But something else occurred to me, reading your post. How much should I really care about tolerance?





Well, there are a couple reasons to care.

1) Tolerance builds quickly. And if you are taking them, say daily, you'll find it hard to sustain that unless you grow A LOT more. Weekly, you won't need to up the dose much if at all BUT after a while that tolerance will build up.

2) You don't want to start abusing mushrooms. Not that you shouldn't do them everyday or a few times a week, if you have a purpose. That's why I like mushrooms. They have a built in "chill out on taking so much" mechanism. It's easy to get into the romantic phase of tripping after your first grow and think "I want to trip ALL THE TIME now" :hehehe:

3) These are powerful substances. You can get psychologically burnt out from taking too often if you aren't prepared/experienced. I've been tripping every week this past month and I can feel the weight on my psyche. However, everyone is different so, for some, they have no issue tripping daily or weekly.

The amazing thing is now YOU get to experiment. You get to see what works for you and doesn't. Want to try micro dosing? Go for it. Want to try a heroic dose? Do it! Maybe just a nice mid dose of 1.5g? Why not! You get to find out what works for you. Super happy that you have joined us in the dark side. My cult brothers and sisters will soon be at your house to drag you into the woods and initiate you :hehehe:

Also, if heat degraded the actives in mushrooms, Tea wouldn't be a thing. There is some consensus that they oxidize in the presence of oxygen and/or light. I don't know if that's true but, to be on the safe side, I keep mine in an airtight container in the dark. I've yet to have a problem with dehydrating mine in a dehydrator. I guess I'll take the possible loss in potency for ease of storage.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #26601262 - 04/14/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Socrateshroom said:
Quote:

LSA Woodrose said:
Great advice thanks. There is another variable here, though. I know I asked the question about potency versus tolerance, which you answered. But something else occurred to me, reading your post. How much should I really care about tolerance?





Well, there are a couple reasons to care.

1) Tolerance builds quickly. And if you are taking them, say daily, you'll find it hard to sustain that unless you grow A LOT more. Weekly, you won't need to up the dose much if at all BUT after a while that tolerance will build up.

2) You don't want to start abusing mushrooms. Not that you shouldn't do them everyday or a few times a week, if you have a purpose. That's why I like mushrooms. They have a built in "chill out on taking so much" mechanism. It's easy to get into the romantic phase of tripping after your first grow and think "I want to trip ALL THE TIME now" :hehehe:

3) These are powerful substances. You can get psychologically burnt out from taking too often if you aren't prepared/experienced. I've been tripping every week this past month and I can feel the weight on my psyche. However, everyone is different so, for some, they have no issue tripping daily or weekly.

The amazing thing is now YOU get to experiment. You get to see what works for you and doesn't. Want to try micro dosing? Go for it. Want to try a heroic dose? Do it! Maybe just a nice mid dose of 1.5g? Why not! You get to find out what works for you. Super happy that you have joined us in the dark side. My cult brothers and sisters will soon be at your house to drag you into the woods and initiate you :hehehe:

Also, if heat degraded the actives in mushrooms, Tea wouldn't be a thing. There is some consensus that they oxidize in the presence of oxygen and/or light. I don't know if that's true but, to be on the safe side, I keep mine in an airtight container in the dark. I've yet to have a problem with dehydrating mine in a dehydrator. I guess I'll take the possible loss in potency for ease of storage.



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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26601526 - 04/14/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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LSA Woodrose said:
Okay, so I am in the middle of my initial harvesting for my very first n00b grow. The Saturday that just passed, I ate a mere 16.9 gram fresh mushroom, and an hour later took another 5 grams. It was a relatively mild trip, as expected, but I wanted to test the waters as before then, I hadn't done shrooms in a long time and wasn't sure what to expect. My next trip I want to go up by about 33%, meaning either 22 grams fresh or 2.2 grams dry. I have heard different reports, but most people say a week between trips is the way to go without losing effect due to tolerance.

Also, since I am growing my own now, is the experience with dry different than the experience with fresh? Other than the obvious of having to chew raw, full mushrooms, I mean. Okay, so since I am growing now, and am getting some level of abundance, what if there are some weeks I want to do more than one trip? Is there any sort of a decent formula for how much to go up to get the same effect? I assume tripping two days in a row, one would have to maybe even double the dose for the same effect? What about 2 days between trips? 3, 4, or 5? Is there some sort of a sliding scale that's known for those who don't want to wait until tolerance goes back down all the way to baseline?

Thanks all, happy trails! :mushroom2:




You can take them as often as you can stand to but you usually have to up the dosage.  Experiment you'll find out what works.  Seems to differ for different people.

Don't eat raw or dry, make tea.  Unless you really like nausea and puking. :laugh2:


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #26601631 - 04/14/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:whathesaid:
I've found that I only really need like 4 days between trips to be fully vulnerable to the next dose (ime). I don't dose this often anymore though. I like to space them about a month or two apart. Just brings a different headspace opposed to dosing more frequently - again (ime).

You'll learn your tolerances the more you take them and the more frequent you do as well. Glad you had yourself a nice little trip there though brother! At least you're taking the baby steps. I took 2g of PE for my first time and that blew my socks off (we just thought they were standard mushrooms) - was a noobie at the time haha. Never had another trip like that since then.

PE trips are completely different than cubes:closecall:


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26602227 - 04/15/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

To respond to both of you simultaneously:

Quote:

Socrateshroom said:


Well, there are a couple reasons to care.

1) Tolerance builds quickly. And if you are taking them, say daily, you'll find it hard to sustain that unless you grow A LOT more. Weekly, you won't need to up the dose much if at all BUT after a while that tolerance will build up.

2) You don't want to start abusing mushrooms. Not that you shouldn't do them everyday or a few times a week, if you have a purpose. That's why I like mushrooms. They have a built in "chill out on taking so much" mechanism. It's easy to get into the romantic phase of tripping after your first grow and think "I want to trip ALL THE TIME now" :hehehe:

3) These are powerful substances. You can get psychologically burnt out from taking too often if you aren't prepared/experienced. I've been tripping every week this past month and I can feel the weight on my psyche. However, everyone is different so, for some, they have no issue tripping daily or weekly.

The amazing thing is now YOU get to experiment. You get to see what works for you and doesn't. Want to try micro dosing? Go for it. Want to try a heroic dose? Do it! Maybe just a nice mid dose of 1.5g? Why not! You get to find out what works for you. Super happy that you have joined us in the dark side. My cult brothers and sisters will soon be at your house to drag you into the woods and initiate you :hehehe:

Also, if heat degraded the actives in mushrooms, Tea wouldn't be a thing. There is some consensus that they oxidize in the presence of oxygen and/or light. I don't know if that's true but, to be on the safe side, I keep mine in an airtight container in the dark. I've yet to have a problem with dehydrating mine in a dehydrator. I guess I'll take the possible loss in potency for ease of storage.





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DJ Ed said:
It is clear in the guidelines that it is an approximation. Best thing you can do is alter the figures as per your particular grow setup and findings. If you check the source data, there can be wild variances in potency; reckon 1-4x on home grown, 1-10x difference on wild.

It’s giving the approximate average values, but is a great guide for beginners.

Mush love
DJ Ed




Agreed. There are so many variables in this. One of the many reasons I intend to keep the doses on the low side. Not just while experimenting, but in perpetuity. I don't need to take what people call heroic doses to have my fun and gain my insights. But the beauty of having so much shrooms from a grow like even my n00b grow is that I can experiment without throwing hundreds of dollars down the toilet.

That was sort of my point. I wasn't trying to make light of the power of these drugs by saying that tolerance wasn't as big of an issue to me right now. Only that given how much I'm harvesting, I am incredibly healthy, work out like a maniac with weights and on my bicycle rides, diet, and keep my bodydat under 10%, which isn't bad for a guy in his 50s, that I have a lot of wiggle-room for experimentation.

Hahaha, to address Socrateseshroom's point, I have non intention of locking myself in my house and becoming some hallucinogen-incel. :mushroom2:

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You can take them as often as you can stand to but you usually have to up the dosage.  Experiment you'll find out what works.  Seems to differ for different people.

Don't eat raw or dry, make tea.  Unless you really like nausea and puking. :laugh2:




Thanks for the info! I intend to experiment with them.

As for nausea and vomiting, honestly that's not an issue. I took a small 1.7 grams of fresh last Saturday, then followed it up with about 5-6 grams more of fresh. I simply chewed them up until they were the consistency of baby food, swallowed, and washed them down with a liter or so of water. Honestly, I don't get sick from organic hallucinogens.

I used to, but not anymore. I remember decades ago having a really hard time eating some Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds and some dried shrooms. The indigestion and nausea, almost to the point of vomiting, nearly ruined my trips. These days, however, as part of my health and fitness regimen, I use intermittent fasting.

Since getting back into tripping, I have gotten to the point where I have completely eliminated the need or desire for LSA extraction with Woodrose seeds and MG seeds. The reason is that I am already fasting a lot anyway. GREAT way to lose weight, by the way. But whenever I have tripped since starting up again a few months ago, I fast for a minimum of 12 hours. I think once I did 8 or 10, but I forget.

It also completely prevents any real nausea. The most I have EVER felt since starting tripping again is a little intestinal bloating for a little while. No nausea, no vomiting, no cramps, or digestive problems.

So no need to jump through hoops with this stuff, I just eat what I want and that's pretty much that. If it becomes an issue, then yeah, I will do teas or extractions of whatever. For now, though, no need.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26602415 - 04/15/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have no problem with Nausea up to 3.5g. However, I get a ton of gas :hehehe:

So if you have the capability, I would make tea. I still eat mine dry.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26602442 - 04/15/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I have no problem with Nausea up to 3.5g. However, I get a ton of gas :hehehe:

So if you have the capability, I would make tea. I still eat mine dry.




Can you clarify what you mean by this? You said if I have the capability to make the tea, but I got the feeling that you were going to say if I have the capability, I should just eat them whole. Because you followed that up after we were talking about me not getting nausea, and you not getting nausea on the 3.5 g.

Are you suggesting that, other than nausea, there are advantages to making tea, over eating either dried or fresh? Because if it’s just about the nausea, and that isn’t an issue to me, why would I bother going through the extra effort?


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26602543 - 04/15/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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LSA Woodrose said:
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Socrateshroom said:
I have no problem with Nausea up to 3.5g. However, I get a ton of gas :hehehe:

So if you have the capability, I would make tea. I still eat mine dry.




Can you clarify what you mean by this? You said if I have the capability to make the tea, but I got the feeling that you were going to say if I have the capability, I should just eat them whole. Because you followed that up after we were talking about me not getting nausea, and you not getting nausea on the 3.5 g.

Are you suggesting that, other than nausea, there are advantages to making tea, over eating either dried or fresh? Because if it’s just about the nausea, and that isn’t an issue to me, why would I bother going through the extra effort?




The gas can be absolutely annoying. Perhaps we adapt to it since, as I trip more often, the gas doesn't seem to be as much of an issue. But after a long break, my return to mushrooms always comes with intense gas in the middle of the trip.

Benefits of tea?

Helps with nausea and/or gas for those who experience it.
Comes on faster (So less of the "come up" anxiety experienced)
Generally lasts shorter (good if you don't have time for a 4-6 hour experience)
Generally more intense (this could simply be a perceptual effect due to shorter come up)

Benefits of dry/fresh (in my opinion)
Slower come up can be a benefit as the anxiety can be a time to work through and face fears
Lasts longer
Less "intense" (as above maybe simply because of the longer come up. More of a smooth journey rather than 0 to 90mph when doing tea/lemon tek)

Tea is just better on the stomach. Personally, I like to eat mine dry because it doesn't give me any issues.

(Although I hate eating them fresh. I rather make tea if I'm eating fresh mushies)


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26602606 - 04/15/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It’s the beauty of growing your own healthy, organic, loved mushrooms, LSA :thumbup:

I rarely get nausea, though I vomited once. But that was from mixing with really strong cannabis! My “problem” symptoms are the excessive yawning, and the frequent urination! I’ll tend to go to the loo quite a few times on the come up, then it seems to slow down (a little bit ). I have been considering buying a camping toilet for the downstairs trip room, but on reflection, probably not the most sensible idea to have what is effectively a bucket of urine in your trip space :uhoh:


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