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Long term storage/packaging * 1
    #26598694 - 04/13/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

A user on Reddit (Uber_kek) came up with some great concept ideas for “Dispensary packaging” for mushrooms. My mind immediately went to organizing harvests for future tea times.





I would love to hear what you all think about something like this. Also if I’m posting in the wrong area please let me know, I’m still fairly new.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: MohandasGanja] * 1
    #26598770 - 04/13/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I like the concept but the dealers choice part looks disgusting


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: shevanel]
    #26598789 - 04/13/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Agreed. i would just prefer having a window and label.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: MohandasGanja]
    #26598796 - 04/13/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Window wouldnt work. Sunlight and all. Best to keep mushrooms dark and dry.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: shevanel] * 1
    #26598820 - 04/13/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Seems to be a mylar bag with a label





You can get 100 for $12



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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: brindle foxx]
    #26598926 - 04/13/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Indeed it is. I just wish my labeling technique was that good. I’m more of a sharpie on tape kind of person


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: MohandasGanja]
    #26599007 - 04/13/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: shevanel]
    #26599012 - 04/13/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I like the concept but the dealers choice part looks disgusting




Why? I think its kind of cool. Makes it look like a recreational weed dispensary, only for shrooms.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26599077 - 04/13/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just looks goofy af. Like a 20yo vape clerk had the idea to throw on there.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: shevanel]
    #26599180 - 04/13/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I dig it. I wish we had legalized boomers and we all could get cannabis rich.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: MohandasGanja]
    #26599264 - 04/13/20 11:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Would be Perfect for :dealershrooms:

Its definitely an interesting idea. Im thinking fill those bags with nitrogen, seal up the dried shrooms inside, should last a looooong time in there.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26599426 - 04/14/20 02:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)



I personally enjoy using them in all sizes and have not found the "window" to be an issue, whatsoever. A 1g desiccant packet and they stay nice and dry and fresh. Just don't get it wet or leave it out in the sun and it's a blast. Lasts as long as you want it to, IME.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: FeedYourMind] * 1
    #26599780 - 04/14/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I like the iridescence as it adds a little "trippy" aesthetic to it.

Might have to get some.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: shevanel] * 1
    #26599808 - 04/14/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Do those bags seal shut with glue or something above the zipper?


Also I’m sure it’s been pointed out but the gt bag has a typo.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26599871 - 04/14/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I dig it. I wish we had legalized boomers and we all could get cannabis rich.




I have a feeling it's on it's way, since three counties have decriminalized them. Packaging/branding has certainly been on my mind as of late! For now, double freezer bags plus a homemade desiccant pack.

Has anyone tested mylar bags to see how breathable they are? If the mushrooms take on moisture? I've kept weed in them, and it stays fine for a while, but idk if weed takes on moisture like mushies do.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26599882 - 04/14/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Do those bags seal shut with glue or something above the zipper?


Also I’m sure it’s been pointed out but the gt bag has a typo.




They seal by heat like from an iron or a fancy mylar bag press


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: FeedYourMind] * 1
    #26599925 - 04/14/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Would be Perfect for :dealershrooms:





lol That was my point, too. :mushroom2:

That said, I long for the day when the innocuous choice to grow and consume my own personal use mushrooms doesn't make the DEA automatically see me as Walter White and Jessie Pinkman. I know it sounds nucking futs, but am I the only one seriously concerned that, according to the DEA, we would basically all be considered Walter White just for growing personal shrooms? 

Draconian fucking laws. **eyeroll**

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I personally enjoy using them in all sizes and have not found the "window" to be an issue, whatsoever. A 1g desiccant packet and they stay nice and dry and fresh. Just don't get it wet or leave it out in the sun and it's a blast. Lasts as long as you want it to, IME.




I was actually going to do a forum search or start a thread about this, but I love your bag of what I assume are 00 capsules of powdered shrooms? My question is do you know about how much shrooms are in each capsule? I am going to assume, with pressing down on them to pack them down on the capsule machine, that you are probably getting 0.5 grams per 00 capsule?

I have a 24 capsule machine I have been using for decades to encapsulate my own supplements, like Tongkat Ali, Yohimbe, and a few others I buy in powdered form. If I remember correctly, powdered Tonkgat Ali extract yields me about 0.5 grams per 00 capsule, when I use that capsule packer a few times with moderate, downward pressure. Problem is, different powders have different densities.

Note: I will test this myself when the time comes and I decide to toss a crapload of my dried shrooms into my coffee grinder, weigh and tare my 00 capsules, and figure out the exact number for dosing.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26599957 - 04/14/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I actually have another question at least tangentially related to storage, and I didn't want to start a thread about this. While perusing some of the archival threads in this forum, I just read that when you see black caps that you should set them aside, because they are extremely potent.

The problem is that I didn't do this so far. I mixed all my shrooms together, and just tossed them right into the food dehydrator, and into mason jars with dessicants for storage. Did I screw up? LMAO I think the last thing I want is to take, say a 2.5 gram dose of dry expecting a mild to moderate trip, only to get body-slammed by the universe because I didn't know some of the shrooms mixed in were dried from black caps. Although, I will admit the thought is a tad comical.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: FeedYourMind]
    #26599990 - 04/14/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I personally enjoy using them in all sizes and have not found the "window" to be an issue, whatsoever. A 1g desiccant packet and they stay nice and dry and fresh. Just don't get it wet or leave it out in the sun and it's a blast. Lasts as long as you want it to, IME.



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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26600153 - 04/14/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I actually have another question at least tangentially related to storage, and I didn't want to start a thread about this. While perusing some of the archival threads in this forum, I just read that when you see black caps that you should set them aside, because they are extremely potent.

The problem is that I didn't do this so far. I mixed all my shrooms together, and just tossed them right into the food dehydrator, and into mason jars with dessicants for storage. Did I screw up? LMAO I think the last thing I want is to take, say a 2.5 gram dose of dry expecting a mild to moderate trip, only to get body-slammed by the universe because I didn't know some of the shrooms mixed in were dried from black caps. Although, I will admit the thought is a tad comical.




Black caps?  Never heard of that, are you sure they are not just spores from harvesting late?  As far as variability of potency, that is one of the major benefits of grinding them up and putting them in gel caps.  Everything gets mixed together and is the same potency cap to cap.

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Those look like '000' gel caps.  You get them empty at health food stores or online.  I personally use '00' which are slightly smaller.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: DcevLearn] * 2
    #26600336 - 04/14/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Black caps is referring to aborts. The tiny shrooms that never grew.

All shrooms vary in potency so actually mixing them up well is the best way to make sure you’ll get consistent doses.


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    #26600835 - 04/14/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Black caps?  Never heard of that, are you sure they are not just spores from harvesting late?  As far as variability of potency, that is one of the major benefits of grinding them up and putting them in gel caps.  Everything gets mixed together and is the same potency cap to cap.




Yeah, they were definitely spores from harvesting late. But I thought that was what was meant by "black caps." A.k.a cleared it up, though, in that the information I was citing was talking about aborts, not about spore covered caps. I was assuming erroneously that the black caps from spores meant that the spores themselves were adding to the potency. My mistake.

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Those look like '000' gel caps.  You get them empty at health food stores or online.  I personally use '00' which are slightly smaller.




I plan on using 00 as well, since that is the capsule machine I have, and the empty gelatin caps as well. On that topic, does anyone know how much powdered dry shrooms will 00 capsules be after the shrooms are grounded to powder?

I am guessing 0.5 grams per capsule, but that could be wrong if the density of dried shrooms is lower than some of the other supplements I have capsulated.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26600840 - 04/14/20 03:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think half gram is right. My 0 caps hold .33 if I pack them in.

000 is enormous I would hate swallowing those.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: A.k.a]
    #26600898 - 04/14/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I use 00 and the best i've been able to pack in was 0.40, but that was one single batch. i average 0.30-0.35 at best.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26601205 - 04/14/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Where do u get these




Amazon - they were on sale when I got them and went ahead and bought in bulk to last me and did a whole variety of sizes.

Interesting, I used 0 and get .4-.5g per capsule. I use a ninja pro blender and use the individual server cups that come with it to get the boomers finely ground up and then capsulate. I suppose it does depend on how fine you can get the powder to maximize the volume within the capsule.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: FeedYourMind] * 1
    #26601276 - 04/14/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I use a nice coffee bean grinder and get .4-.5g also into "0" using
the capsule machine. Those "000" would hold a lot! LoL


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: rumfor69] * 1
    #26601414 - 04/14/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Nothing makes it a more fine powder than a cofffee grinder.

Let the cup settle before you lift/open the lid after grinding... itll be like smoke.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: shevanel] * 2
    #26601434 - 04/14/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

lol yeah I can alway taste it a few seconds after opening the grinder.


I don’t have a capsule machine, just pack the powder in with a pen or whatever.


I was gonna get one to store the shrooms as caps but decided not to cuz I didn’t want them to lose potency after a friend basically ruined some I gave him by leaving them out.


Are the machines worth getting?
I’m almost at the point where it’ll be worth converting a bunch to caps just to free up some jars.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: A.k.a]
    #26601493 - 04/14/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If u like swallowing capsules, grab a capsule machine.

But if u prefer your fruits in tact, get some holographic Mylar baggies: https://m.ebay.com/itm/50Pcs-Zip-lock-Pouches-Mylar-Aluminum-Foil-Bags-Food-Safe-Bag-Rainbow-Color-/174141576723?_mwBanner=1&_rdt=1


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    #26602094 - 04/15/20 04:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That's like a really small package IMO.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: poisoned]
    #26602104 - 04/15/20 05:06 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

True. Might be too small for you bulk growers.

Another good option is a vacuum sealing system like the FoodSaver: https://m.ebay.com/itm/Commercial-Food-Saver-Vacuum-Sealer-Machine-Sealing-System-Vacuum-Storage-Bags-/333472465629?_mwBanner=1&_rdt=1


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    #26602199 - 04/15/20 06:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Are the machines worth getting?





I really like the thing, easy to clean and use. Makes all the capsules
the same weight really close so it's always the same dose.


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    #26602286 - 04/15/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:popcorn:


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    #26603424 - 04/15/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So I used a coffee grinder on about 6 grams, and encapsulated them. I got the powder very fine, packed down really nice. I ended up only getting almost exactly .25 grams into each 00 capsule. This is 24 capsules filled. If you're tempted to call bullshit because you can see a drop of space in the capsules, that's only because the smaller 1/2 capsules are on top piece of the machine, and I can only pack the powder into the larger, bottom pieces of the capsules. I wanted to get this done before the weekend, since I hope to trip this Saturday, exactly one week after eating the fresh. 



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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26603585 - 04/15/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I was going to ask about a vacuum sealer, since exposure to air seems
to be a major degradation to potency, even vacuum seal in a black
bag to avoid light(Idk if they make black vac bags). In terms of long
term storage would that help retain potency?

AKA I have a lil manual pill machine that does 24 at once, its convenient
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    #26603682 - 04/15/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I probably have the same 24 capsule “machine“ as you. It’s a great little device. I did 24 capsules today, just to prepare for this Saturday. I’ve read on a lot of sites that a lot of people like to use a vacuum sealer. I don’t know one way or the other whether this is a good idea or  if it is unnecessary, but I have read in a few places in this forum where a lot of people don’t do that. Recently in this forum it was recommended to me to put the dried in to clean mason jars and throw one or two desiccants in with them and just close it up. Again, not sure if this is good for long-term storage, or if vacuum sealers are the way to go.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26604600 - 04/16/20 01:30 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I ended up only getting almost exactly .25 grams into each 00 capsule.




You should be able to get almost double that amount into each capsule.
You can put some more force on the tamper. I've even used a small piece
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    #26604649 - 04/16/20 02:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I just picked up a 100 capsule machine for 000 caps and its 100% worth the money. Grind up 50g in my little coffee grinder and 5 minutes later I had a jar full. I used to sit in front of the tv and do each one by hand :thumbdown:

Perfect for all the aborts and 4th flush weirdos


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    #26604740 - 04/16/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I just picked up a 100 capsule machine for 000 caps and its 100% worth the money. Grind up 50g in my little coffee grinder and 5 minutes later I had a jar full. I used to sit in front of the tv and do each one by hand :thumbdown:

Perfect for all the aborts and 4th flush weirdos




So they only hold a half gram or that all you put in them?


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    #26604746 - 04/16/20 03:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

When i packed 00 capsules, they only hold about 0.4grams. Had to scrap the idea becauze i hate swallowing pills. :shrug:


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26604804 - 04/16/20 04:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think tea is still my favorite delivery method. I do a little lemon
tek, then dump the lemon mush into the boiling water, use a pomegranate
green tea bag, let it steep till it cools down, filter, add sugar, it
tastes like pomegranate lemonade! Delicious lol


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: rumfor69]
    #26604873 - 04/16/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That sounds really nice! :takingnotes:


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26605153 - 04/16/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I always do tea too. I have a sensitive stomach and always have issues when I eat them or use caps.
Tea is the best IMO. Hits me in less than 20min always


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: MohandasGanja]
    #26605199 - 04/16/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

When i was 10 years younger id eat em fresh, dry didnt matter..now that im older tea is more suitable as well.


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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26605237 - 04/16/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I recently filled 100 size 1 capsules. I used 13g dried cause I was aiming for 0.13g for each capsule. I will be microdosing therefore the low weight. I saw this video on reddit showing how its done:
https://www.reddit.com/r/microdosing/comments/ejlwba/microdosing_changed_my_life_heres_how_i_make_my/

But it wasn't so easy. Maybe I overdid the grinding and the dust got really thin like smoke. So when I was spreading the powder some capsules got immediately filled and others empty and I got no powder left for the empty ones. So I had to repeat and this time used a small spoon to fill each capsule individually. I'll try not to grind so much next time to get an even spread.

Used a plastic bottle with a desiccant bag inside to store the capsules:



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Re: Long term storage/packaging [Re: goatchild]
    #26605294 - 04/16/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Did you check the weights?

Sounds like some of the first ones could easily be double what you want. The super fine powder really condenses.


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    #26606481 - 04/16/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I checked. Weight was between 0.12g and 0.16g. Most were at 0.13g which was what I wanted.


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