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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26596772 - 04/12/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

More people will starve from the quarantines than people who will die from the virus itself


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26596823 - 04/12/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You know what I think? In 1000 years nothing from this era will even be thought about. Let that one marinate :house:


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26596835 - 04/12/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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More people will starve from the quarantines than people who will die from the virus itself



Not in this country. People are being very charitable.

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Just please end this mandatory everyone who cant file taxes


Why can't you file taxes?


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Re: On the present moment [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26596836 - 04/12/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You know what I think? In 1000 years nothing from this era will even be thought about. Let that one marinate :house:



I'm currently reading a book about a cathedral being built in the 1137 AD

So there's that.

This may prove to be the most history-book-worthy event since... I honestly don't know. I can't think of a global precedent.

Obviously there have been pandemics but the nature of this one is unique because we know what is happening and our way of life and set of expectations are totally different.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26596846 - 04/12/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just remember when the poor are stealing the jewelry off your family's corpses you could have let the poor back to work instead. But no. You chose to defend the people in our society with the hugest portion of wealth. The 65+ group.

Most of the poor have several reasons not to file or just plain cant.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26596853 - 04/12/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Close the hospitals and all medical services for 2-5 years and let this mess sort itself out


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex] * 1
    #26596855 - 04/12/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:heart:


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex] * 1
    #26596863 - 04/12/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm the first person to admit that it's disingenuous for people to cache out the decision that needs to be made as "lives versus the interests of the rich". In truth, it is lives versus lives. If circumstances do get bad enough to lack of employment/resources, lives will be lost and the social price will be high: suicide, drug addiction, violent crime.

We're not there yet.

If we do not attempt to put any controls on this virus, the death toll will include many people who do not die of coronavirus. When the ERs are packed, 20 years old who get into drunk driving accidents or overdose on drugs will be hard pressed to get care.

There needs to be a balance, undoubtedly. I really wish HIPAA could be violated to a certain extent right now because if the public could truly see what conditions are like in the hospitals and the gruesome loneliness of death by COVID19, they would be a little more willing to put up with not being able to buy take out food or marijuana anymore.


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    #26596866 - 04/12/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Close the hospitals and all medical services for 2-5 years and let this mess sort itself out



You're insane.

Do you have any idea how many women would die of something as routine as childbirth without medical services?

You do realize that people die for reasons other than COVID19?


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26596867 - 04/12/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You people expect too much of humans just like the article


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    #26596872 - 04/12/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Most of the poor have several reasons not to file or just plain cant.




Sure, what are they? Because until January I was dirt poor and I always filed my taxes. Are you saying undocumented immigrants? They know the deal when they come here. They're not looking for government handouts right now. Talk to them. I do. Most of them are totally indifferent to the prospect of not receiving a government handout because it was never something they expected to begin with.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted]
    #26596881 - 04/12/20 10:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You know what I think? In 1000 years nothing from this era will even be thought about. Let that one marinate :house:



I'm currently reading a book about a cathedral being built in the 1137 AD

So there's that.

This may prove to be the most history-book-worthy event since... I honestly don't know. I can't think of a global precedent.

Obviously there have been pandemics but the nature of this one is unique because we know what is happening and our way of life and set of expectations are totally different.



Fair enough......in 2000 years nothing from this era will be thought about :p


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Re: On the present moment [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26596885 - 04/12/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ever heard of paleontologists? They think about eras that existed millions of years ago.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted]
    #26596892 - 04/12/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Haha ok ok I shouldnt have said nothing. They will study our bones and whatnot
But ideals? They die eventually.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted]
    #26596896 - 04/12/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Close the hospitals and all medical services for 2-5 years and let this mess sort itself out



You're insane.

Do you have any idea how many women would die of something as routine as childbirth without medical services?

You do realize that people die for reasons other than COVID19?





Fully worth it. All child birth is illegal until we can go back to work. Man they must have programmed you to fight for the rich pretty hard


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex] * 1
    #26596900 - 04/12/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Even for me that’s pretty warped logic


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    #26596902 - 04/12/20 11:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I would be shocked to discover that there are any mutually caring relationships in ichugwindex's life. I don't mean that be an asshole. Most of us find a significant amount of meaning in life through our connections to our loved ones.

The mental health toll of allowing hundreds of thousands of people to die from COVID19 alone could easily be argued to outweigh that caused by allowing 17 million people to lose their jobs for 6 months to a year.


Be honest, ichugwindex, are you really concerned you'll lose the ability to afford food? Or would you just prefer to have a paycheck coming in so you can afford the luxuries you miss, like drugs? I still speak to a couple of my childhood friends who use drugs and they are coming up with all sorts of loony conspiracies or suddenly deciding they are libertarians, and though they wont admit it, it all comes down to the fact that they cant cop drugs until either government money or their paycheck comes back through

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All child birth is illegal until we can go back to work.Fully worth it. All child birth is illegal until we can go back to work. Man they must have programmed you to fight for the rich pretty hard


Oh, I see. You're trolling. You know the poor are the ones having the most children, right? What am I saying. Either you are a literal person who got dropped on your head, you've smoked yourself retarded on something imported from a chinese lab, or you're trolling. Either way this conversation is not going to proceed.

If you want a job, I hear they need people to help transport the bodies in new york. Or you could sign up to be an ER nurse (please for the love of god, don't) and make a cool 5 grand a week. Your attitude would change in about 5 milliseconds of seeing what the sick people look like and realizing the thing that made them sick is floating in the air all around you and that anyone you interact with from there forward could die because of you.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted] * 4
    #26596910 - 04/12/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The suicide hotline has seen a massive call influx since layoffs started.


I think though it's largely related to culture. Not necessarily people so bad off they're starving.

We encourage too much for people to think their purpose and value is their job.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted]
    #26596911 - 04/12/20 11:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I dont want the check. I've already said I'd eat my neighbors and turn them into dog food even if they offered triple. So sit in your house that's probably 3-10 times the size of mine and wait for us to eat the rich OR make it right. I dont want your underpaid job for the already dead. I want justice.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26596962 - 04/12/20 11:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

How long will you let the rest of us starve for your needs? 6 months? 10 years? Will all of you die off long before the rest of us are allowed to work for food again? Yes let's put this entire burden on the shoulders of the young. Give me a break take this hot garbage to your grave before you hold us all back


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