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On the present moment * 6
    #26596022 - 04/12/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Prepare for the Ultimate Gaslighting

For many of us, the present moment feels surreal.

For some us, it feels hyper-real.

This plague is pulling back the curtains.

My state- and most others- have decided that liquor stores are an essential business. I know the reason- if they shut them down, the ERs would start filling up alcoholics in severe withdrawal.

The government is tacitly acknowledging the fact that it legally condones the use of a drug so habituating that when users stop taking it, they might die.

At the same time, users of other drugs are having to be released from jails to contain the spread of the virus, and we are about to realize that most of them did not need to be in jail to begin with. Many of them will never return to jail.

The public is so caught up in feelings of fear that these facts have yet to sink in. But they will.

There will be an enormous campaign to try to pull the curtains back down.

And it might work.

But this is the best shot we've ever had.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted] * 7
    #26596027 - 04/12/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

One by one, members of society are having psychedelic experiences by simply having time to stop, look around, and think.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26596072 - 04/12/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Prepare for the Ultimate Gaslighting






That article isa beautiful and must be read by anyone. Feel free to spam the link to some appropriate threads, within reason.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26596094 - 04/12/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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One by one, members of society are having psychedelic experiences by simply having time to stop, look around, and think.




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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26596097 - 04/12/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I’m really hoping this kicks off a trend for the US to become self sufficient.  Actually have jobs available that aren’t retail Walmart bullshit.  Associate a little less with China as well as other unsavory characters.  You know, sacrifice maybe paying a little more for a little better quality and knowing you don’t have to rely on any outside forces.  That’s one of the things I hope adjusts a little as we move forward.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26596099 - 04/12/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This crisis only confirms what I already knew, people don’t give a damn about each other.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26596112 - 04/12/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I’m currently celebrating Easter with a lot of people who care about each other.

Get out of your head!

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Re: On the present moment [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26596120 - 04/12/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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This crisis only confirms what I already knew, people don’t give a damn about each other.



Read the article.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26596125 - 04/12/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Great thread morrowasted :thumbup:


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted]
    #26596487 - 04/12/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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This crisis only confirms what I already knew, people don’t give a damn about each other.



Read the article.



The writer is deluded if he thinks this changes anything. I stand by my previous statement in that this crisis shows how little of a damn people give towards each other


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Re: On the present moment [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26596501 - 04/12/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
This crisis only confirms what I already knew, people don’t give a damn about each other.



Read the article.



The writer is deluded if he thinks this changes anything. I stand by my previous statement in that this crisis shows how little of a damn people give towards each other



Yeah with that attitude it will never change either. Its cliche but you really do have to change yourself before you can change the world.


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    #26596626 - 04/12/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
This crisis only confirms what I already knew, people don’t give a damn about each other.



Read the article.



The writer is deluded if he thinks this changes anything. I stand by my previous statement in that this crisis shows how little of a damn people give towards each other



Yeah with that attitude it will never change either. Its cliche but you really do have to change yourself before you can change the world.




It’s just that society doesn’t really “change” that much. It accommodates rebellion and sells it back to people. Those of the more extreme end are easily twisted to suite their narrative. Take the 70s, nothing changed and buildings were blown up. Plus around where I am at I get people thinking it’s a conspiracy or just ignoring the directions for safety. People just don’t give a damn about others.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26596629 - 04/12/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I’m currently celebrating Easter with a lot of people who care about each other.

Get out of your head!

I wuv you 💗👻




I thought other people didn’t exist.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26596657 - 04/12/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The writer is deluded if he thinks this changes anything. I stand by my previous statement in that this crisis shows how little of a damn people give towards each other






Again, read the article. If you had read the article, you would know whether or not the author thinks "this changes anything".

Pull your head out of your ass for just a moment. We have plenty of time and other people have plenty of thoughts worth considering.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted]
    #26596671 - 04/12/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The writer is deluded if he thinks this changes anything. I stand by my previous statement in that this crisis shows how little of a damn people give towards each other






Again, read the article. If you had read the article, you would know whether or not the author thinks "this changes anything".

Pull your head out of your ass for just a moment. We have plenty of time and other people have plenty of thoughts worth considering.




I stand by my previous comments, he clearly doesn’t understand human nature


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Re: On the present moment [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26596680 - 04/12/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

There is no such thing as human nature.


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    #26596690 - 04/12/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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There is no such thing as human nature.



Ah but there is.

He thinks something along the lines of humans are inherently good. But the race is poisonous and corrupt. They won’t change until the 11th hour and by then it will be too late. He’s optimistic but anyone who’s studied psychology or sociology knows this virus changes nothing.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: Thanatos10] * 5
    #26596712 - 04/12/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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This crisis only confirms what I already knew, people don’t give a damn about each other.




It's rarely wise to speak in absolutes.  Many people already care about one another and will continue to do so.  Many people who did'nt care before may actually start to give a damn.  And yes, many who did'nt care before will still continue to not give a fuck about others or humanity at large, especially those at both extreme ends ov the economic scale.  I'm rather pessimistic by nature AND experience.  But even so, i realize that humans have the capacity to change for the better which, in turn, may catalyze steps toward advancing humanity as a whole.  Unfortunately, there will be some who become even louder in spewing their anti-drug and anti-gun rhetoric through their illusory BULL-horn ov safety. 

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Re: On the present moment [Re: lavod]
    #26596753 - 04/12/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Omg hospitals are full!!!! Close all medical services for 2 years strait if you need to. Just please end this mandatory everyone who cant file taxes/unemployment starves plan NOW. I have family in the risk category and its STILL not worth it


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Re: On the present moment [Re: lavod]
    #26596771 - 04/12/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Anti-gun has nothing to do with it, personally I don’t think humans have any business with such tools.

Still to anyone who has studied history you’ll see how overall it’s the same old story


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26596772 - 04/12/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

More people will starve from the quarantines than people who will die from the virus itself


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26596823 - 04/12/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You know what I think? In 1000 years nothing from this era will even be thought about. Let that one marinate :house:


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26596835 - 04/12/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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More people will starve from the quarantines than people who will die from the virus itself



Not in this country. People are being very charitable.

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Just please end this mandatory everyone who cant file taxes


Why can't you file taxes?


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Re: On the present moment [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26596836 - 04/12/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You know what I think? In 1000 years nothing from this era will even be thought about. Let that one marinate :house:



I'm currently reading a book about a cathedral being built in the 1137 AD

So there's that.

This may prove to be the most history-book-worthy event since... I honestly don't know. I can't think of a global precedent.

Obviously there have been pandemics but the nature of this one is unique because we know what is happening and our way of life and set of expectations are totally different.


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    #26596846 - 04/12/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just remember when the poor are stealing the jewelry off your family's corpses you could have let the poor back to work instead. But no. You chose to defend the people in our society with the hugest portion of wealth. The 65+ group.

Most of the poor have several reasons not to file or just plain cant.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26596853 - 04/12/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Close the hospitals and all medical services for 2-5 years and let this mess sort itself out


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex] * 1
    #26596855 - 04/12/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex] * 1
    #26596863 - 04/12/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm the first person to admit that it's disingenuous for people to cache out the decision that needs to be made as "lives versus the interests of the rich". In truth, it is lives versus lives. If circumstances do get bad enough to lack of employment/resources, lives will be lost and the social price will be high: suicide, drug addiction, violent crime.

We're not there yet.

If we do not attempt to put any controls on this virus, the death toll will include many people who do not die of coronavirus. When the ERs are packed, 20 years old who get into drunk driving accidents or overdose on drugs will be hard pressed to get care.

There needs to be a balance, undoubtedly. I really wish HIPAA could be violated to a certain extent right now because if the public could truly see what conditions are like in the hospitals and the gruesome loneliness of death by COVID19, they would be a little more willing to put up with not being able to buy take out food or marijuana anymore.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26596866 - 04/12/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Close the hospitals and all medical services for 2-5 years and let this mess sort itself out



You're insane.

Do you have any idea how many women would die of something as routine as childbirth without medical services?

You do realize that people die for reasons other than COVID19?


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26596867 - 04/12/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You people expect too much of humans just like the article


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    #26596872 - 04/12/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Most of the poor have several reasons not to file or just plain cant.




Sure, what are they? Because until January I was dirt poor and I always filed my taxes. Are you saying undocumented immigrants? They know the deal when they come here. They're not looking for government handouts right now. Talk to them. I do. Most of them are totally indifferent to the prospect of not receiving a government handout because it was never something they expected to begin with.


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    #26596881 - 04/12/20 10:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You know what I think? In 1000 years nothing from this era will even be thought about. Let that one marinate :house:



I'm currently reading a book about a cathedral being built in the 1137 AD

So there's that.

This may prove to be the most history-book-worthy event since... I honestly don't know. I can't think of a global precedent.

Obviously there have been pandemics but the nature of this one is unique because we know what is happening and our way of life and set of expectations are totally different.



Fair enough......in 2000 years nothing from this era will be thought about :p


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    #26596885 - 04/12/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ever heard of paleontologists? They think about eras that existed millions of years ago.


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    #26596892 - 04/12/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Haha ok ok I shouldnt have said nothing. They will study our bones and whatnot
But ideals? They die eventually.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted]
    #26596896 - 04/12/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Close the hospitals and all medical services for 2-5 years and let this mess sort itself out



You're insane.

Do you have any idea how many women would die of something as routine as childbirth without medical services?

You do realize that people die for reasons other than COVID19?





Fully worth it. All child birth is illegal until we can go back to work. Man they must have programmed you to fight for the rich pretty hard


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex] * 1
    #26596900 - 04/12/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Even for me that’s pretty warped logic


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    #26596902 - 04/12/20 11:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I would be shocked to discover that there are any mutually caring relationships in ichugwindex's life. I don't mean that be an asshole. Most of us find a significant amount of meaning in life through our connections to our loved ones.

The mental health toll of allowing hundreds of thousands of people to die from COVID19 alone could easily be argued to outweigh that caused by allowing 17 million people to lose their jobs for 6 months to a year.


Be honest, ichugwindex, are you really concerned you'll lose the ability to afford food? Or would you just prefer to have a paycheck coming in so you can afford the luxuries you miss, like drugs? I still speak to a couple of my childhood friends who use drugs and they are coming up with all sorts of loony conspiracies or suddenly deciding they are libertarians, and though they wont admit it, it all comes down to the fact that they cant cop drugs until either government money or their paycheck comes back through

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All child birth is illegal until we can go back to work.Fully worth it. All child birth is illegal until we can go back to work. Man they must have programmed you to fight for the rich pretty hard


Oh, I see. You're trolling. You know the poor are the ones having the most children, right? What am I saying. Either you are a literal person who got dropped on your head, you've smoked yourself retarded on something imported from a chinese lab, or you're trolling. Either way this conversation is not going to proceed.

If you want a job, I hear they need people to help transport the bodies in new york. Or you could sign up to be an ER nurse (please for the love of god, don't) and make a cool 5 grand a week. Your attitude would change in about 5 milliseconds of seeing what the sick people look like and realizing the thing that made them sick is floating in the air all around you and that anyone you interact with from there forward could die because of you.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted] * 4
    #26596910 - 04/12/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The suicide hotline has seen a massive call influx since layoffs started.


I think though it's largely related to culture. Not necessarily people so bad off they're starving.

We encourage too much for people to think their purpose and value is their job.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted]
    #26596911 - 04/12/20 11:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I dont want the check. I've already said I'd eat my neighbors and turn them into dog food even if they offered triple. So sit in your house that's probably 3-10 times the size of mine and wait for us to eat the rich OR make it right. I dont want your underpaid job for the already dead. I want justice.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26596962 - 04/12/20 11:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

How long will you let the rest of us starve for your needs? 6 months? 10 years? Will all of you die off long before the rest of us are allowed to work for food again? Yes let's put this entire burden on the shoulders of the young. Give me a break take this hot garbage to your grave before you hold us all back


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26596967 - 04/12/20 11:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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So sit in your house that's probably 3-10 times the size of mine and wait for us to eat the rich OR make it right.


you are totally fucking clueless


you own a house?????

Yes I am staying home when I am not at work but I am still very much going to work


you're saying that nursing is a job for the "already dead"?????

I am trying very very hard to hold my tongue


seriously consider doing the same.

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How long will you let the rest of us starve for your needs?




oh fuck it, I just saw this.

MY needs? WHAT IN THE LITERAL FUCK ARE YOU GOING ON ABOUT??? I COULD QUIT AT ANY TIME YOU DUMB FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted] * 4
    #26596972 - 04/12/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, keep propping up the aristocracy by tending to the needs of sick people you bastard.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #26596976 - 04/13/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The suicide hotline has seen a massive call influx since layoffs started.


I think though it's largely related to culture. Not necessarily people so bad off they're starving.

We encourage too much for people to think their purpose and value is their job.




Employment is, and has been, identity for men and families for generations

my birth last name is actually has a literal translation of "worker of oak"
because my French ancestors in Québec got off the boat and initially started life as carpenters

if you know someone with the last name of "Shoemaker" it is possible people early in their family line crafted shoes

generational poverty and stuff -- written into who you tell people you are
or, at least, what you tell people you are/spend your life doing

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Occupational names include such simple examples as Smith (for a smith), Miller (for a miller), Farmer (for tax farmers or sometimes farmers), Thatcher (for a thatcher), Shepherd (for a shepherd), Potter (for a potter), and so on, as well as non-English ones, such as the German Eisenhauer (iron hewer, later Anglicized in America as Eisenhower) or Schneider (tailor) – or, as in English, Schmidt (smith). There are also more complicated names based on occupational titles. In England it was common for servants to take a modified version of their employer's occupation or first name as their last name,[according to whom?] adding the letter s to the word, although this formation could also be a patronymic. For instance, the surname Vickers is thought to have arisen as an occupational name adopted by the servant of a vicar,[35] while Roberts could have been adopted by either the son or the servant of a man named Robert. A subset of occupational names in English are names thought to be derived from the medieval mystery plays. The participants would often play the same roles for life, passing the part down to their oldest sons. Names derived from this may include King, Lord and Virgin. The original meaning of names based on medieval occupations may no longer be obvious in modern English (so the surnames Cooper, Chandler, and Cutler come from the occupations of making barrels, candles, and cutlery, respectively).
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Archer, Bailey, Bailhache, Baker, Brewer, Butcher, Carpenter, Carter, Chandler, Clark or Clarke, Collier, Cooper, Cook or Cooke, Dempster, Dyer, Farmer, Faulkner, Fisher, Fletcher, Fowler, Fuller, Gardener, Glover, Hayward, Hawkins, Head, Hunt or Hunter, Judge, Knight, Mason, Miller, Mower, Page, Palmer, Parker, Porter, Potter, Reeve or Reeves, Sawyer, Shoemaker, Slater, Smith, Stringer, Taylor, Thatcher, Turner, Walker, Weaver, Woodman and Wright (or variations such as Cartwright and Wainwright).



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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted]
    #26596988 - 04/13/20 12:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

We are all starving because of this and I'll leave it at that I guess. How many months of starving is ok for you? You gonna keep starving us for the dead while none of us can go back to work? Look I know you work medical but how long is that supposed to be a reasonable excuse for the rest of us not to eat?

Are we supposed to shoulder the burden? Most of us cant afford it like you.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26596993 - 04/13/20 12:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

And you went on to talk about my personal standing with the people in my life? They love me because I dont ruin them for life like you med boys of all stations and positions. You best do medical in another country if you wanna pretend you give a fuck about a single patient when in the US you just drown them in debt


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26597063 - 04/13/20 01:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Are actually starving or is it a metaphorical hunger?


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Re: On the present moment [Re: brk]
    #26597067 - 04/13/20 01:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Of course. Almost everyone in the lower class was a single check from being homeless in the US and then they act like this new thing is no big deal. This is the standard for everyone I know. Maybe 1/4th of them are getting any money


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26597092 - 04/13/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

"You own a house?" look hes already out for class warfare blood


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Re: On the present moment [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26597221 - 04/13/20 04:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I’m currently celebrating Easter with a lot of people who care about each other.

Get out of your head!

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I thought other people didn’t exist.




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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted]
    #26597233 - 04/13/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Close the hospitals and all medical services for 2-5 years and let this mess sort itself out



You're insane.

Do you have any idea how many women would die of something as routine as childbirth without medical services?

You do realize that people die for reasons other than COVID19?



Oh no :shrug:

You realize every one of your ancestors was successful at passing their genes down? And that there's been no hospitals for 99.99% of human history


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Re: On the present moment [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26597244 - 04/13/20 05:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

both bodhi and morrowasted have a point, and if balanced whilst considered in tandem they make an even finer point.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26597253 - 04/13/20 05:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yea suffering bad. No want to see people sad. Much empathy. Its all cool and what not. But absolutely unnecessary for the ultimate survival of the species. And maybe cutting back on population and population of people only supported by healthcare wouldn't be terrible


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted]
    #26597262 - 04/13/20 05:27 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

@Morrow: the article talks about americanism when it actually refers to consumerist culture that's more widespread than just america, still a great read. thanks

@Dex: I know it's too late now, but that attitude is what kept your country from going into lockdown when it should have.
wtf, man. I hope you realize how backwards you got this


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Re: On the present moment [Re: Primal Glitch]
    #26597304 - 04/13/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Resilient adaptation will ensue, sure it’s not all going to be rainbows and butterfly’s, and those that can’t adapt will like always - be at a significant disadvantage, but that’s how the cookie crumbles.  Humanity lives on,  I see more good coming out of this in the long run than anything else.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: Primal Glitch] * 2
    #26597307 - 04/13/20 06:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You realize every one of your ancestors was successful at passing their genes down? And that there's been no hospitals for 99.99% of human history





Oh okay yeah lets just all go back to dying at 35 after having 10 children, 6 of whom died from illness or easily treatable accidents


That is definitely the world humand want to live in.

I would just look forward to having children soooo much knowing my wife has a signficant chance of dying with each one. But no worryz we can just go back to a time where women get lubbed over the head anytime a man feels loke having one. After all if we can go without doctors we can go without police

I dont give a shit about passing my genetic material on, thanm you very much, and neither do 99% of humand if it means we go back to acting like cave people
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Re: On the present moment [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26597308 - 04/13/20 06:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Resilient adaptation will ensue, sure it’s not all going to be rainbows and butterfly’s, and those that can’t adapt will like always - be at a significant disadvantage, but that’s how the cookie crumbles.  Humanity lives on,  I see more good coming out of this in the long run than anything else.


by resilient adaptation you mean we go back to a society where the biggest man in any group calls the shots and women are treated as commodities then sure


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted]
    #26597316 - 04/13/20 06:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Nope, not what I mean at all.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26597327 - 04/13/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You realize every one of your ancestors was successful at passing their genes down? And that there's been no hospitals for 99.99% of human history





Oh okay yeah lets just all go back to dying at 35 after having 10 children, 6 of whom died from illness or easily treatable accidents


That is definitely the world humand want to live in.

I would just look forward to having children soooo much knowing my wife has a signficant chance of dying with each one. But no worryz we can just go back to a time where women get lubbed over the head anytime a man feels loke having one. After all if we can go without doctors we can go without police

I dont give a shit about passing my genetic material on, thanm you very much, and neither do 99% of humand if it means we go back to acting like cave people
:rolleyes:



It's a big misconception to think we lived like cave people. There were flourishing societies in the middle of jungles over ten thousand years ago with agriculture and engineering.


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Re: On the present moment [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26597328 - 04/13/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Humanity may be dooming itself through the avoidance of natural selection but lets be honest, is that a motivating factor for anyone to behave differently? These are the days of OUR lives. What we care about is our experiences and the experiences of the people we have shared experiences with. At least, I do.


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    #26597329 - 04/13/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That is fair snd I was being hyperbolic bodhi but in those flourishing societies, people, especially women and childrenx were treated as commodities precisely because gauranteeing the survival of your offspring was that much harder


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Re: On the present moment [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #26597331 - 04/13/20 07:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Crystal ball is forecasting lots of tigers, meth, gay sex, and country music.  Not sure if good thing or bad.


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    #26597340 - 04/13/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:goat:


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Re: On the present moment [Re: ichugwindex] * 2
    #26597357 - 04/13/20 07:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Close the hospitals and all medical services for 2-5 years and let this mess sort itself out



How is this smart? You're like "Omg we're starving and I'm too lazy to do something about it" but when it comes to your wife or kids getting sick you're just like YOLO LOL just because you're feeling feisty? This is making you sound dumb.

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Just remember when the poor are stealing the jewelry off your family's corpses you could have let the poor back to work instead. But no. You chose to defend the people in our society with the hugest portion of wealth. The 65+ group.

Most of the poor have several reasons not to file or just plain cant.



Oh so because you feel so downtrodden you think that's an excuse to act like you're owed something. "When the world goes to shit I want your necklace bitch! I'm gonna be a bandit so I feel tuff!" Grow up dude. How is this defending people 65+? Do you know how to think?

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I dont want the check. I've already said I'd eat my neighbors and turn them into dog food even if they offered triple. So sit in your house that's probably 3-10 times the size of mine and wait for us to eat the rich OR make it right. I dont want your underpaid job for the already dead. I want justice.



All you're doing here is saying poor me. You admit you have a home. Stop being a big fucking baby. You live in America.

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How long will you let the rest of us starve for your needs? 6 months? 10 years? Will all of you die off long before the rest of us are allowed to work for food again? Yes let's put this entire burden on the shoulders of the young. Give me a break take this hot garbage to your grave before you hold us all back



"Let's put this burden on the shoulders of the young." Okay grandpa, get to work! Us young guys need to relaaaax, Frankie. Fucking LOL. Do you know how things work?


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Re: On the present moment [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #26597719 - 04/13/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Women still die in child birth in developed nations. And it's more often poor women. It's an access to quality healthcare issue.

Having millions of young women die for no reason doesn't seem like a good idea. And as usual it would be the poor people who suffer most. The rich could just have their children in a country that isn't inhumane.


But ya know killing off poor people has been a plan proposed by some to end poverty.


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    #26597725 - 04/13/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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But ya know killing off poor people has been a plan proposed by some to end poverty.




Feed them to the hungry and you solve two problems at once.


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    #26597737 - 04/13/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That being said there is an issue with how poor people are treated in our society that is exaggerated in times like this.


When I was homeless I depended alot on the kindness of strangers and being able to use public restrooms to go to the bathroom and clean up. With everything closed and people being afraid to be near to people it has to be making it alot harder on the homeless.


And homeless shelters are not set up to limit the spread of infectious disease. And rarely are nice places to begin with.



And unemployment is largely handled by the state, not the fed. I know a woman in MI that doesn't qualify for unemployment because she didn't make enough. You're too poor for welfare :facepalm:


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    #26597761 - 04/13/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Whoa this thread got wild

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Close the hospitals and all medical services for 2-5 years and let this mess sort itself out



You're insane.

Do you have any idea how many women would die of something as routine as childbirth without medical services?

You do realize that people die for reasons other than COVID19?



Oh no :shrug:

You realize every one of your ancestors was successful at passing their genes down? And that there's been no hospitals for 99.99% of human history




Kind of a fallacious argument since obviously they did otherwise you wouldn’t be here, hindsight and all that. But the survival rate of humans pre hospitals was far worse. When you compare the amount that made it with those that didn’t the argument falls apart.


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But ya know killing off poor people has been a plan proposed by some to end poverty.




Feed them to the hungry and you solve two problems at once.




It’s an incorrect solution for a number of reasons but it’s usually an argument posed by the rich to avoid having to sacrifice their wealth.


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