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    #2659584 - 05/10/04 03:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've found vague references to bay leaves inducing trances...

"The priests of Apollo chewed bay leaves to reach a higher level of trance when fortune-telling. They inhaled the smoke from burning new twigs or sprouts. It was a symbol of supernatural abilities."

"According to legend the Delphi oracle chewed bay leaves, or sniffed the smoke of burning leaves to promote her visionary trances"

Several years ago when having read this I rolled a bay leave ciggarette and proceed to smoke it and it does indeed induce a very focused deep trance.However I've not known anyone else who has tried this and I find no other references about bay leaves,which I find odd.


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: HypnoToad]
    #2659688 - 05/10/04 03:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm.. interesting indeed. I've got a ton of bay leaves here, might as well try chewing a few. I'll let you know if I notice anything :smile:


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: deff]
    #2659740 - 05/10/04 03:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

(nods) Yeah let me know if you feel anything. When I had smoked the bay leave cigarette it was as if the room was the only thing in existence in the entire world and I meditated for about 2 hours without so much as a thought in my head.I was focused on a candle I was burning and I just sat there with no emotion and no sense of needing anything like hunge,thirs,etc.It was as if all I needed to do in the world to sustain myself and be content was sit and meditate.I wasnt even aware of my body.I felt like I merely existed without body or shape.Perhaps I was so focused on the candle that I wasnt aware of anything but the candle and the room it was in.


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: HypnoToad]
    #2659788 - 05/10/04 04:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I found a bit more info:

"Studies have shown that Bay has mild narcotic and sedative effects in mice, and therefore can be tried in a tea before bed for better sleep, or after a stressful day."

"The characteristic constituent is a liquid phenol called eugenol which has been found to have narcotic and sedative affects in mice and may repel insects."

I hadn't given any thought to my experience with bay and I hadnt tried it after that because of problems and I stopped using any sort of narcotics/ethnobotanicals for soemtime but some time ago I went back to using them as shamanic tools as aI felt it was the right time to go back to this sort of thing and then when I thought of plants to grow when I started my garden my experience with bay came back to mind and it made me curious about it.


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: HypnoToad]
    #2659840 - 05/10/04 04:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Mmm, it tastes pretty good for sure, besides being a bit strong. The taste itself almost has a claming effect on me, but other than that nothing else so far.

As for your experience, I've had similar experiences with meditation alone, so it's possible that the bay leaves had less of an influence than it seems.


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: deff]
    #2659868 - 05/10/04 04:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Could it have been a placebo perhaps? Maybe freshness is an issue here. I'll try it when I get a chance though. I don't really use that stuff for anything any ways.


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #2659966 - 05/10/04 05:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well I have to say that after posting that I later noticed a clear headed feeling, as well as a warm sensation throughout my body, although these could possibly be accredited to placebo. I'll have to repeat this again with a much larger amount sometime :smile:


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: deff]
    #2660413 - 05/10/04 07:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe make an extract?


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #2660459 - 05/10/04 07:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I plan on making a concentrated tea out of it soon, I hope the active chemicals are water soluble though.


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: deff]
    #2660477 - 05/10/04 07:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Deff,

How many leaves did you chew?


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: HypnoToad]
    #2660491 - 05/10/04 07:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I just checked on Eugenol and i found this bit of info:

Eugenol is clear to pale yellow oily liquid extracted from certain essential oils especially from clove oil and cinnamon. It is very slightly soluble in water and soluble in organic solvents.

Another site said its poorly soluble in water.


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: HypnoToad]
    #2660511 - 05/10/04 07:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe it likes nonpolars better.... Damn you guys are really getting into this bay leaves thing...


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #2660587 - 05/10/04 07:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I chewed 4 large leaves and held it in my mouth for about 10-15 minutes.

Guess I won't try to make a tea seeing how it's a waste of the active ingredient. It would be neat to try out a proper extraction of the eugenol, although I think there's a few more worthy extraction candidates lined up for me to try first. (dmt, salvinorin, LSA, ect.)


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: deff]
    #2660622 - 05/10/04 07:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

DMT :thumbup: :grin: :rocket:


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: HypnoToad]
    #2660625 - 05/10/04 07:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, It -might- be a waste, but the solubility of water goes way up when its boiling


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #2660655 - 05/10/04 07:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah you're right, it's worth a try anyways. The worst that could happen is I waste about 46 cents worth of bay leaves and 10 minutes of my time... :laugh:


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: deff]
    #2660661 - 05/10/04 08:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hell yeah, you only live THIS life once, and you can't remember the other ones....


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #2660703 - 05/10/04 08:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Most herbs/plant have at the least moderate/decent to excellent solubility in 100 proof vodka.Some Leaves could be chopped up and crammed into about a shots worth of vodka.If not maybe 2 shots depending on how many leaves you use.

A site also says its miscible in alcohol or in other words capable of being mixed into alcohol.

It is however soluble in acetic acid which is the main acid in vinegar.

I plan to experiment with it a bit sometime.Any substances used historically by shaman,magick users or tribes always interest me.

http://www.chemicalland21.com/arokorhi/specialtychem/perchem/EUGENOL.htm


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: HypnoToad]
    #2660727 - 05/10/04 08:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm, then maybe a diluted vinegar/water extraction might work a bit better. I'll experiement with that soon, but I'm off to make some bay leaf tea to try :smile:


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Re: bay leaves... [Re: HypnoToad]
    #2660728 - 05/10/04 08:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What is its vaporisation point? You could cook it up in vinegar and then slowly cook off the vinegar and then injest that how you see fit if its stable enough. However that will make your house/apartment fucking reak.


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