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Questions about the shroom experience related to "control"
    #26595704 - 04/12/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hi everybody, im interested in trying shrooms for the first time, but im worried about how I will handle it. Ive taken lsd multiple times and never had any issues with it, but Ive read that people feel they have less "control" when they're on shrooms. This kind of makes me worried. Basically, Im worried that ill walk outside naked or something and ending up in the hospital. Will I be able to understand where I am and that ive taken shrooms? I plan on taking 1 gram or less my first time, but I will not have a trip sitter. Depending on how that goes ill increase my dosage, but I dont plan on going any higher than 2.5 grams without a trip sitter.


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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: ligmasugmapi]
    #26595751 - 04/12/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If your new, always trip with a trip sitter.  Set and setting should be researched, and control is hit or miss in the psychedelic 3xperienced a lot of time... akin to charming a snake.  Can be done, but ya know.  Just my experience and opinion of when I look back at when I first started experimenting with  mushrooms.  I’d suggest you wait for some more experienced psychonaughts to chime in 🧞‍♂️👍


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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26595763 - 04/12/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I would also always recommend a trip sitter for your first time. But with how low of a dose 1 gram is, you'd probably be fine on your own. "Control" is very situational trip to trip, and varies person to person. One trip could give you more control than another trip, but in the times ive done them, I at least always felt in enough control that I never feared I would put myself in harms way or to the hospital. Always be aware of your set and setting-- those two considerations make or break a trip.


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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: Chaleq]
    #26595810 - 04/12/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I wont have access to a trip sitter, but I will be in a safe environment by myself. I dont really know anyone who I could have watch me so for now a trip sitter isnt an option for me. Thats why im going to start with such a low dose(one gram or less).


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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: ligmasugmapi]
    #26595860 - 04/12/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Are you taking Cubensis mushrooms? If so, 1g is, generally a pretty small dose (although it depends on whether they were multi spore or from an isolated culture and it’s a different story if they’re Penis Envy or Albino Penis Envy).

Anyway, assuming you have a non PE variety of cubes, and that they are of average potency, 1g isn’t much and you will have complete “control”. A trip sitter, in that instance, really isn’t necessary.

Now everyone has mentioned set and setting and this is key. I’m sure even 1g can go horribly wrong if taken in an uncomfortable and dangerous environment (such places are not for psychedelics).

On the topic of “control”, I think that the more you fight for control during a trip, the more chance you have of things going awry. You might hit some rough patches in an experience. You may panic or feel scared. Those are part of the experience. Will you go running naked into the street? Doubtful. Is it possible? Sure. I don’t know if you drink but it’s a lot more possible if you drink enough.

Mushrooms, for me, have a pretty big body load. Anything above 1.5g and my legs are jello, so I can’t imagine mustering the strength to go streaking down my street.

However, when in doubt and if possible, get a sitter. It’ll put your mind at ease (just make sure the sitter is experienced in psychedelics or knows how to be a proper sitter so they aren’t bothering you every minute asking if you’re ok).

Ultimately, I take my trips in a dark room, in bed, with headphones and, sometimes, eye shades on. My intent is to go inward and let the experience play out there. So my set and setting facilitates this type of experience. Just to echo the sentiment, set and setting is everything. Plan accordingly and risk is minimized.

(Nothing is without risk but low to moderate doses of mushrooms seem to be quite safe in terms of “control”. I’ve had much more out of control and dangerous experiences being black out drunk, or close to it)


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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26596089 - 04/12/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the detailed response socratesshroom, you have a really good point about alcohol and control. Right now my plan is to take .7g for my first time and simply relax. My trip activities are going to depend on how the effects come on, but ill most likely end up sitting around and listening to music.


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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: ligmasugmapi]
    #26596308 - 04/12/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Always a safe bet starting at the shallow end, and over time wading to deeper depths after you’ve been accustomed to the waters, acclimated to the effects, and have learned to swim.p before diving in the depths.  I followed that recipe when I started and don’t regret it at all. Few years later I equate tripping with dreaming, but like lucid dreaming while awake, effects vary greatly with dosages, and can de drastically differing, so best not to think you’ve seen it all ever, but ya can know that whatever is seen or felt or heard or whatever is your own nature as revealed and effected by a psychedelic.  Best to you


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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: ligmasugmapi]
    #26597023 - 04/13/20 12:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

There are two aspects to consider when talking about tripping and control:

The control where you think the mushrooms may somehow cause you to run down your local street naked.
The control where the trip feels,like it’s heading south, as it were, and you then try to control where the trip goes.

In response to the second control; if you try to control where a trip goes, it can go horribly wrong. I reckon this is what can lead to a pretty bad trip, where you fight the mushrooms and try to control the trip.

The first control though,the one you seemed most worried about, is concerning. Why do you think there’s a chance you might run down the street naked? I have never heard of mushrooms somehow forcing someone to strip off against their will and run outside naked. If you are already worried that this may happen to you, you have to seriously ask yourself whether you are then right type of person to be taking mind altering drugs.

You have to trust: yourself. You have to trust: the mushrooms. Without the experience may not be that enjoyable or rewarding.


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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26597133 - 04/13/20 02:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

i mean, to be fair, i kinda had the same worries at first too, since i didn't know a thing about the experience. :lol:

i wouldn't worry much about that sort of thing though, OP. if you are really that worried about it, set limits for yourself - tell yourself before the trip "ok self, remember, no running naked through the streets, no jumping out the windows, no setting things on fire, etc etc" - as if you were a parent laying down ground rules for their child before heading out for a night out. aka tell yourself not to do anything irresponsible. that said it's fairly easy to not do anything irresponsible, unless you were a crazy person to begin with. :P


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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: Psion]
    #26597177 - 04/13/20 03:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Exactly, Psion. To be fair, we were brought up amongst the media hysteria surrounding psychedelics. I’m surprised nobody is worried about staring at the sun until they go blind. Or the damaged chromosomes. Or the believing you can fly.

Yeah I suppose we were all worried at first; you tend to trust in the establishment when you’re young, naive, nd before your first psychedelic experience.


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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26597394 - 04/13/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Took 2.7g last night, didn’t go streaking or go to the hospital. I had a hard enough time getting to the bathroom when I was peaking :hehehe:

I can vouch for not having to worry. Also, if you’re experienced with LSD, OP, I suggest taking 1.5-3.5g so you aren’t disappointed with a lower dose.

Like DJ Ed said, I too have never experienced anyone go streaking after taking mushrooms. So long as you don’t have serious underlying mental conditions, you should be fine.


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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26598136 - 04/13/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

DJ Ed
Thank you for your insight! Having trust in myself and in the safety of the mushrooms will be important for me going into the trip. My fear was of having some sort of benzo like blackout, but I think that was naive of me.

Psion
Im a pretty calm guy normally, but I think having a few safety rules in place before the trip begins is a great idea.

socratesshroom & The Blind Ass
Its going to be a little before I actually trip, so I havent really nailed down what I want the dose to be. Yesterday I was thinking .7g, but im also just considering doing a full gram. I want to ensure that I get a taste of the experience, but not be overwhelmed.


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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: ligmasugmapi]
    #26598178 - 04/13/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

1g of cubensis shouldn't be an issue, especially when you have experience with psychedelics before. I took a bit more than 1g of liberty caps my first time and had a blast.

Although if nausea is something that can make you nervous or whatever .7 could be a good idea to start with. I threw up during my peak but I have no issues with vomiting or nausea so it didn't ruin anything. To me that's the only negative part of shrooms compared to LSD. You can get nauseous.

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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: ligmasugmapi]
    #26598189 - 04/13/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think 2 grams is perfectly fine.

You have psych experience. Just take them then go lay in bed and relax


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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26598294 - 04/13/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, your biggest worry is throwing up. keep a barf bucket, one that's lightweight and nice and big, near your bed or chair or wherever you're tripping, so it's easy to lift and hard to miss. it can be difficult to make it to the bathroom in time while tripping sometimes, so having something in hand is nice in case you can't make it. trying to clean up a mess during a come up while it's starting to get all wavy and randomly disappearing or changing shape or reappearing in different spots is the WORST.

black outs are the sort of thing that typically occurs from taking entirely too much. like, what were you thinking too much, too much. :P

as far as the dosage goes, 1 gram is pretty tiny if it's cubes, unless it's penis envy variety or your using syrian rue to enhance the potency. you might not even feel anything, or if you do not much more than a general sense of uncomfortableness. if it's a more potent variety like liberty caps that's different though. for a first timer i'd go with 2-3g of cubes as a first timer dose for something mild, but that's just me. i know a lot of people say 1g tends to make them feel unpleasant, because they just get stuck in a "not quite here, not quite there" vibe - kinda like being strapped to the outside of an airplane, waiting for it to take off, but it never does. :lol:


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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: ligmasugmapi]
    #26599326 - 04/14/20 12:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

0.7g dry cubensis sounds really low for you to feel an effect. Someone discussed having a blast off 1g of liberty caps; they are about 2x stronger than cubensis. On that basis, I’d recommend you test the water with at least 2g dry.

Good,luck
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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26599457 - 04/14/20 02:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

In the psychedelic experience, attempts to control tend to spiral into fear, very thin line. Fear is the ultimate origin of “bad trips.” Some psychedelics, like LSD, are much more forgiving than others (mushrooms).

Take enough of any psychedelic, and, at some point, you’ll be thoroughly convinced that you’ve lost your mind. This can be joyous or terrifying depending on personal constitution and proclivities. Beyond any mere metaphor, heaven and hell become tangible landscapes of mind, and the only dial we can attempt to utilize to steer ourselves is letting go, going with the flow.

You will lose control on a certain dose of mushrooms, and you can either go there kicking and screaming or with wonder and awe. Consider also that for some people, psychedelics may simply not be a good match, for a variety of potential reasons.


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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26599702 - 04/14/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

DJ Ed said:
Someone discussed having a blast off 1g of liberty caps; they are about 2x stronger than cubensis.
DJ Ed




Shroomery has their own calculator for this type of deal. It can be interesting to check when you're new to shrooms and doesn't know that much about dose


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Re: Questions about the shroom experience related to "control" [Re: hejAdig999]
    #26599899 - 04/14/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

hejAdig999 said:
Quote:

DJ Ed said:
Someone discussed having a blast off 1g of liberty caps; they are about 2x stronger than cubensis.
DJ Ed




Shroomery has their own calculator for this type of deal. It can be interesting to check when you're new to shrooms and doesn't know that much about dose




Yea I liked to use it to get an idea, although as I got more experienced I started disliking that calculator as it seems rather inaccurate for such a subjective experience.

But it’s fun to use nonetheless and can give a general idea of what to expect.


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