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InvisibleHardani
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Taking weed and syrian rue together - need help on dosage and diet before taking
    #26595068 - 04/12/20 05:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hi there everyone
Im planning to takin weed and syrian rue together
But I do not know how much syrian rue seeds should i take orally? and i ate some eggs and vegetables and some yogurt
Is it safe to take syrian rou tonight while i ate eggs and veggies and yogurt for Lunch?
Plzzz helpp


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Re: Taking weed and syrian rue together - need help on dosage and diet before taking [Re: Hardani]
    #26595074 - 04/12/20 05:27 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I’m not sure on “the ayahuasca diet”, but from research on here, you need 3g Syrian rue seeds to act as an MAOI :thumbup:


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Re: Taking weed and syrian rue together - need help on dosage and diet before taking [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26595080 - 04/12/20 05:41 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Tnx for your response
I just need to make sure that things i ate early today not going to interact with Syrian rue
but there is no clear guide any where


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Re: Taking weed and syrian rue together - need help on dosage and diet before taking [Re: Hardani]
    #26595089 - 04/12/20 05:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

https://erowid.org/chemicals/maois/maois_info2.shtml ; :bunnypeace:

FOODS TO AVOID
Alcoholic beverages
Avoid Chianti wine and vermouth.
Consumption of red, white, and port wine in quantities less than 120 mL present little risk (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986).
Beer and ale should also be avoided (McCabe, 1986), however other investigators feel major domestic (US) brands of beer is safe in small quantities (½ cup or less than 120 mL) (Anon, 1989; Da Prada, 1988), but imported beer should not be consumed unless a specific brand is known to be safe.
Whiskey and liqueurs such as Drambuie and Chartreuse have caused reactions.
Nonalcoholic beverages (alcohol-free beer and wines) may contain tyramine and should be avoided (Anon, 1989; Stockley, 1993).

Banana peels
A single case report implicates a banana as the causative agent, which involved the consumption of whole stewed green banana, including the peel. Ripe banana pulp contains 7 µg/gram of tyramine compared to a peel which contains 65 µg/gram and 700 µg of tyramine and dopamine, respectively (McCabe, 1986).

Bean curd
Fermented bean curd, fermented soya bean, soya bean pastes contain a significant amount of tyramine (Anon, 1989).

Broad (fava) bean pods
These beans contain dopa, not tyramine, which is metabolized to dopamine and may cause a pressor reaction and therefore should not be eaten particularly if overripe (McCabe, 1986; Anon, 1989; Brown & Bryant, 1988).

Cheese
Tyramine content cannot be predicted based on appearance, flavor, or variety and therefore should be avoided.
Cream cheese and cottage cheese have no detectable level of tyramine (McCabe, 1986; Anon, 1989, Brown & Bryant, 1988).

Fish
Fresh fish (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986) and vacuum-packed pickled fish or caviar contain only small amounts of tyramine and are safe if consumed promptly or refrigerated for short periods; longer storage may be dangerous (Anon, 1989).
Smoked, fermented, pickled (Herring) and otherwise aged fish, meat, or any spoiled food may contain high levels of tyramine and should be avoided (Anon, 1989; Brown & Bryant, 1988).

Ginseng
Some preparations have resulted in a headache, tremulousness, and manic-like symptoms (Anon, 1989).

Protein extracts
Three brands of meat extract contained 95, 206, and 304 µg/gram of tyramine and therefore meat extracts should be avoided (McCabe, 1986).
Avoid liquid and powdered protein dietary supplements (Anon, 1989).

Meat
nonfresh or liver
no detectable levels identified in fresh chicken livers
high tyramine content found in spoiled or unfresh livers (McCabe, 1986).
Fresh meat is safe, caution suggested in restaurants (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988).
Sausage, bologna, pepperoni and salami contain large amounts of tyramine (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986).
No detectable tyramine levels were identified in country cured ham (McCabe, 1986).

Sauerkraut
Tyramine content has varied from 20 to 95 µg/gram and should be avoided (McCabe, 1986).

Shrimp paste
Contain a large amount of tyramine (Anon, 1989).

Soups
Should be avoided as protein extracts may be present; miso soup is prepared from fermented bean curd and contain tyramine in large amounts and should not be consumed (Anon, 1989).

Yeast
Brewer's or extracts - yeast extracts (Marmite) which are spread on bread or mixed with water,
Brewer's yeast, or Yeast vitamin supplements should not be consumed.
Yeast used in baking is safe (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986).


The foods to use with caution list categorizes foods that have been reported to cause a hypertensive crisis if foods were consumed in large quantities, stored for prolong periods, or if contamination occurred. Small servings (½ cup, or less than 120 mL) of the following foods are not expected to pose a risk for patients on MAOI therapy (McCabe, 1986).
FOODS TO USE WITH CAUTION
(½ cup or less than 120 mL)
Alcoholic beverages - see under foods to avoid.

Avocados - contain tyramine, particularly overripe (Anon, 1989) but may be used in small amounts if not overripened (McCabe, 1986).

Caffeine - contains a weak pressor agent, large amounts may cause a reaction (Anon, 1989).

Chocolate - is safe to ingest for most patients, unless consumed in large amounts (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986).

Dairy products - Cream, sour cream, cottage cheese, cream cheese, yogurt, or milk should pose little risk unless prolonged storage or lack of sanitation standards exists (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986). Products should not be used if close to the expiration date (McCabe, 1986).

Nuts - large quantities of peanuts were implicated in a hypertensive reaction and headache. Coconuts and brazil nuts have also been implicated, however no analysis of the tyramine content was performed (McCabe, 1986).

Raspberries - contain tyramine and small amounts are expected to be safe (McCabe, 1986).

Soy sauce - has been reported to contain large amounts of tyramine and reactions have been reported with teriyaki (Anon, 1989), however analysis of soy sauce reveals a tyramine level of 1.76 µg/mL and fermented meat may have contributed to the previously reported reactions (McCabe, 1986).

Spinach, New Zealand prickly or hot weather - large amounts have resulted in a reaction (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986).
More than 200 foods contain tyramine in small quantities and have been implicated in reactions with MAOI therapy, however the majority of the previous reactions were due to the consumption of spoiled food. Evidence does not support the restriction of the following foods listed if the food is fresh (McCabe, 1986).
FOODS WITH INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE FOR RESTRICTION (McCabe, 1986)
anchovies
beetroot
chips with vinegar
Coca Cola
cockles
coffee
corn, sweet
cottage cheese
cream cheese
cucumbers
egg, boiled
figs, canned
fish, canned
junket
mushrooms
pineapple, fresh
raisins
salad dressings
snails
tomato juice
wild game
worcestershire sauce
yeast-leavened bread


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Re: Taking weed and syrian rue together - need help on dosage and diet before taking [Re: Dorfnob] * 1
    #26595777 - 04/12/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No need to avoid anything dietarily with Rue, you'll be just fine.


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Re: Taking weed and syrian rue together - need help on dosage and diet before taking [Re: Dorfnob]
    #26597232 - 04/13/20 04:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Tnx for your response


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Re: Taking weed and syrian rue together - need help on dosage and diet before taking [Re: Sabnock]
    #26597241 - 04/13/20 05:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Tnx for your response and are you sure about that? Have you tried before?
Im a little concerned because iranian dietary is kinda full of tyramine and its hard to avoid food with it
Any way last night i tried it and in low dose wansnt badd


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Re: Taking weed and syrian rue together - need help on dosage and diet before taking [Re: Hardani]
    #26597517 - 04/13/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I’ve read what is commonly said where diet can be an issue and then I’ve read what Sabnock said.  I have no experience with either but whether foods are of concern or not you’ll still want to be careful with medicine etc.

Turns out it’s looking like kratom is something you want to avoid.  I guess what I’m saying is to say you don’t have to worry about anything makes me nervous to just put that out there.  There are a lot of foods out there.  So personally any advice I would offer is to at least consider the aya diet list and get a handle on what is causing issues and how to try and understand the mechanics behind what causes issue and how and then do what you feel is necessary.

I feel like just saying you don’t need to take anything into consideration is going to land someone unfamiliar with all this in hot water.  That’s just me being the paranoid person life has taught me to be through repeated ass whoopings....


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Re: Taking weed and syrian rue together - need help on dosage and diet before taking [Re: Hardani]
    #26597695 - 04/13/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Hardani said:
Tnx for your response and are you sure about that? Have you tried before?
Im a little concerned because iranian dietary is kinda full of tyramine and its hard to avoid food with it
Any way last night i tried it and in low dose wansnt badd




Yes, i am quite sure, i'm very experienced with consuming Rue (especially in heavy dosages that most would likely avoid), and i've done a lot of research on it and reversible/selective MAO-A inhibition in general, and have read a lot of people's experiences with it. You don't have anything to be worried about. There are however a few people who say they're sensitive to the effects of Tyramine and have noticed some headaches when working with Harmalas, however imo/ime Harmalas can cause headaches in other ways which people may mistake for being Tyramine induced. If you're that concerned, i would recommend not eating anything a few hours before, and a few hours after the Rue, gut MAO-A goes back to normal 2 hours after the Rue, therefore gut MAO-A will go back to being able to break down Tyramine, since the inhibition is reversible and short-lasting, MAO-B also remains uninhibited so while MAO-A is temporarily tied up MAO-B can metabolize out Tyramine. Tyramine is even said to be able to displace reversible MAO-A inhibition. So Tyramine interactions with reversible and selective inhibitors of MAO-A is highly unlikely.

With that said, you do still have to watch out for the drug to drug interactions like SSRI's, Amphetamines, some other medications or herbs, or things metabolized by CYP2D6 or CYP1A2 (like Caffeine for example, which doesn't need to be avoided, dosage just needs to be kept low). So long as you're good on the drug to drug interaction side, you should be absolutely fine on the dietary side.


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Re: Taking weed and syrian rue together - need help on dosage and diet before taking [Re: Sabnock]
    #26598583 - 04/13/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

weed and MAOI, we tried tha couple of times nothing special if you smoke it , but if you ingest maoi, and then smoke weed at T-2:00 , cool things could happen.

we were using maoi extract from syrian rue, syrian rue has about 5% alkaloid content, we were ingesting 250mg maoi. maoi is psychoactive on its own and with good weed (high content of THC) you most  probably will trip balls , but not to shroom extent...


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Re: Taking weed and syrian rue together - need help on dosage and diet before taking [Re: Sabnock]
    #26599922 - 04/14/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

ok this is relieving
this was usefull thank you


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Re: Taking weed and syrian rue together - need help on dosage and diet before taking [Re: davidb199]
    #26599933 - 04/14/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

i ingest about 3 or 4 g seed last night again and wait for 2 hr then fired up a joint
i cant name that a psychedelic experience but the feeling was different and in some point i felt completely insane but still not psychedelic exp


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Re: Taking weed and syrian rue together - need help on dosage and diet before taking [Re: Hardani]
    #26600727 - 04/14/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

good to hear that, also pure extract works differently then whole seeds. we use pure white extract, you can do them easily, pm me if you wanna know how.
you can get DMT effect by just doing meditation,yoga and NOFAP, I first started doing that then my friend joined me, and we both now can trip on weed like on mushrooms, not on the same level but you could say 4/10 strength is like mushroom, but with maoi it gets stronger, I mean weed, shrooms get stronger by 100-200%, you can read my trip report here .

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26600708&page=0&vc=1#26600708

I'm not saying believe me, nothing will change if you believe or disbelieve, things will change if you try it by yourself.


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