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Re: Leucistic vs Albino? [Re: Luminous7]
#26578406 - 04/04/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are albinos Generally more potent mutations?
I Wouldn’t think so. I don’t think color or lack thereof has anything to do with potency but I could be wrong.
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Re: Leucistic vs Albino? [Re: Baeomaze] 1
#26579224 - 04/05/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I get what TCs are saying about posible failure with a clone ( if albinism is caused by stres ) but what about growing from spores of that fruit? What kind of results would you get? If the spores are clear I think some of the albino genes will be passed on to next gen right?
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Re: Leucistic vs Albino? [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#26579757 - 04/05/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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nosf3r4tu said: I get what TCs are saying about posible failure with a clone ( if albinism is caused by stres ) but what about growing from spores of that fruit? What kind of results would you get? If the spores are clear I think some of the albino genes will be passed on to next gen right?
That’s a good question! I feel like spore genes would be more random than clone genes? Waiting for a TC to answer my previous question and this one too.
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Re: Leucistic vs Albino? [Re: Baeomaze]
#26579850 - 04/05/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Typically white (clear) spores produce only albino fruit and pigmented fruits become recessive. Ape is a good example. There's been some belief that sporeless or lesser sporulating fruits (which albinos tend to be) direct more energy towards potency. I have yet to see documented scientific proof when it comes to albino cubensis, but I do believe the idea holds merit. The next step? What ever you want and are most comfortable with, but definitely back up the culture. *Oh! If these are true albino, the pigmented spores will likely pass on the trait. Though recessively.
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Baeomaze



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This is why I love this site! I learn so much. Thank you!
So plan now is to back up the culture then put the rest to grain. Clone and swab the second flush albino.
I will keep this updated.
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Re: Leucistic vs Albino? [Re: Baeomaze]
#26580199 - 04/05/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Baeomaze said: Update
Second flush same tub. I got some side pins going on. What’s cool about this is it is in a completely different spot than the other albino I found. I am curious if this means that my grow health has nothing to do with albino popping up?
 I planned on cloning this guy too. Time will tell my clone plates are about ready for... I guess I am not sure what would be best for my next step? Go straight to a quart of grain each then tub after that or keep as master and take small amount transfer to another plate then go from that?

Here we go, lol. I couldn't get this to quote earlier.  Yeah, somethings up. I wonder if it's not APE 1.0 mislabeled or 2.0 reverting.. Workman used my Falbino 5 to make 2.0. It and APE 1.0 did some weird shit lol. Both occasionally made something Workman called a Chimera. A fruit that exhibits both albino and pigmented traits. Sometimes they were like two fruits swirled together and others would be albino fruits with a few pigmented gills. They also produced a wide spectrum of albino and pigmented fruits at the same time.. similar to what you are seeing.
It could very well be a natural phenomenon too. Albinos do pop up from time to time with several varieties. I've even seen a PE before, but the cultivator was new and couldn't get a clean clone.
Those plates are beautiful btw.
I'd definitely back it up and take a little to grain just to see what it does. If it holds true you'll definitely want to collect spores and begin working with them. Once you find what you are looking for in a fruit take and use the spores for the next generation. Clone the selected fruit for back up. Always back up and label the hell out of everything .
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Chimeras are badass.
I think calico cats are all chimeras and that’s where I heard about it first and ended up sucked into google image search of all kinds of animals.
There’s been a lot of weird stuff going on with PE varieties lately.
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Re: Leucistic vs Albino? [Re: A.k.a]
#26580318 - 04/05/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I received my purchased syringes on 1-20-18 so I have had them for over 2 years now. I got them from a sponsor if any of this info helps?
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Re: Leucistic vs Albino? [Re: A.k.a]
#26580328 - 04/05/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Chimeras are badass.
I think calico cats are all chimeras and that’s where I heard about it first and ended up sucked into google image search of all kinds of animals.
There’s been a lot of weird stuff going on with PE varieties lately.
Every aspect of the pigmentation rabbit hole is fascinating. I found an old pic of Falbino with a Chimera. It's the bottom of the three fruits on the left.
 More showing in the gills and spores.
 I'm pretty excited for Baeomaze. Especially after the update. He's about to go down the PRH big time I'm thinking.
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I am excited too but also scared. I am going to have a lot of stupid questions and definitely going to need help with this. Any good links to anything that will help me in this project would be very appreciated. I have already read through Pastywhyte’s rustywhyte stuff. Lots of good info in that.
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Re: Leucistic vs Albino? [Re: Baeomaze]
#26581074 - 04/06/20 06:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nothing to be afraid of. No stupid questions either. Overwhelming yes lol. Remember the mushroom has the final say so if it doesn't clone it's not a failure on your part. Your work appears to be very competent. I'm still betting it clones so focus on the next step of getting it cleanly to grain, fruiting and spore collection. Worry about the breeding when there's something to breed. Of course, easier said than done lol. Pasty probably has the most up to date info. Workman has a lot of material posted here too. His APE 2.0 journal has good breeding info and it seems to me he had some stuff in advanced mycology. If I see anything helpful in my rummaging I'll post links.
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Update.
I took a clone and spore swab from the second flush albino fruit on 4-7. Clone is looking good.
 This was the first time I have ever swabbed gills. I was super clumsy at it and plate looks a little sketch but I think I can transfer some good myc off it? Also first time “sterilizing” Q-tips. I am not to confident they are that clean.

 I also got small transfers from plate #1 and #2. I put plate 1 and 2 in the fridge to slow growth. I should be ready for oats soon!

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Re: Leucistic vs Albino? [Re: Baeomaze]
#26595673 - 04/12/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Baeomaze said: Update.
I took a clone and spore swab from the second flush albino fruit on 4-7. Clone is looking good.
 This was the first time I have ever swabbed gills. I was super clumsy at it and plate looks a little sketch but I think I can transfer some good myc off it? Also first time “sterilizing” Q-tips. I am not to confident they are that clean.

 I also got small transfers from plate #1 and #2. I put plate 1 and 2 in the fridge to slow growth. I should be ready for oats soon!


When sterilizing swabs in pc can you leave them dry or do they need to be wet to transfer the heat properly?
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Re: Leucistic vs Albino? [Re: Luminous7]
#26596837 - 04/12/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I followed Eat’s “sterile swab‘s now” tek. Check it out. I had lid on tight and after when I opened the jar the jar had vacuum and air sucked in. So I don’t know if that could cause problems? Out of the 4 plates I used swabs on only one got contams and that one I swabbed from a print so that’s why I said I wasn’t that confident about it. So to answer your question you can leave them dry.
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Re: Leucistic vs Albino? [Re: Baeomaze]
#26597069 - 04/13/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Baeomaze said: I followed Eat’s “sterile swab‘s now” tek. Check it out. I had lid on tight and after when I opened the jar the jar had vacuum and air sucked in. So I don’t know if that could cause problems? Out of the 4 plates I used swabs on only one got contams and that one I swabbed from a print so that’s why I said I wasn’t that confident about it. So to answer your question you can leave them dry.
Ahhh I see. Thanks Ill check it out.
Iv always wondered about heat transfer / moisture content, and if you can sterilize properly with dry materials.
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Re: Leucistic vs Albino? [Re: Luminous7]
#26600130 - 04/14/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Swab plate looks like time to transfer I got a couple spots I wanna stay away from. Could just be moisture droplets? My eye isn’t trained yet I don’t get contams in my plates to often but when I do it is very obvious.
Original pic.

Pic with magnification spots where I feel are places of suspect.

Either way I am stoked I will get some good myc to transfer!
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Re: Leucistic vs Albino? [Re: Baeomaze]
#26600546 - 04/14/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bacteria / yeast. Not bad at all though. Should be plenty of good myc there. I'd take from a few locations just in case there's any biofilm underneath. Biofilm is what the goo spot waste is on. It usually doesn't extend much further than the goo and can be visible when the light hits it just right. Great update. Great work!
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Thank you T.C.O. For hanging in there so far. You have been a big help I have three plates left before I need to pour some more. That should be enough I think? I don’t have time to get those going until tomorrow morning tho.
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Re: Leucistic vs Albino? [Re: Baeomaze]
#26600673 - 04/14/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Neat thread! Following
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Re: Leucistic vs Albino? [Re: Baeomaze]
#26727557 - 06/07/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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So... I didn’t expect these results? Maybe with the spores but I kinda figured with the clone I would get some of both?
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