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So we can't even go on hikes now? * 1
    #26594841 - 04/12/20 01:41 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Where do I get my going ousside loicense?


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman] * 3
    #26594843 - 04/12/20 01:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I thought Americans had guns to fight off tyranny. Or did all the hardcores already run to their hideouts in the woods?


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman] * 2
    #26594844 - 04/12/20 01:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You can't even go on Mount Everest right now because of covid

Not from the China side at least

Shit is cray bruh


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Niffla] * 3
    #26594845 - 04/12/20 01:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Not with that attitude!


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts] * 1
    #26594846 - 04/12/20 01:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I thought Americans had guns to fight off tyranny. Or did all the hardcores already run to their hideouts in the woods?




we skipped the well regulated part of the constitution so we don't know what to do


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts] * 2
    #26594847 - 04/12/20 01:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I thought Americans had guns to fight off tyranny. Or did all the hardcores already run to their hideouts in the woods?




I'm here



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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Niffla]
    #26594849 - 04/12/20 01:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

And yes I have stalls in my bathroom


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26594854 - 04/12/20 01:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My lungs are recovered from having the Corona Virus and I can't go on a fucking hike, but I can go to a local park and walk, but I can't play tennis in the tennis court, but I can walk on the trail, the most populated location of the local park, or is it not allowed and I am just hearing it is? I

I can't go on a fucking joy ride in my own car, but I can walk in a local park? but I can't climb a mountain or camp out in butt fuck no where?

I am expected to not lose my shit and do something drastic?


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman]
    #26594855 - 04/12/20 01:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I can touch a shopping cart and pick my nose. But I can't summit a mountain.

I am immune to the virus now, I should be allowed to do what ever the fuck I want.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman]
    #26594856 - 04/12/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts] * 3
    #26594871 - 04/12/20 02:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This is where the inevitable social discord will go.


Those that have had the virus or are otherwise healthy will want to open up the economy, go back to work, get on with it.

Old and frail people are stuck inside crippling the economy. But generally old people have more money and show up to vote more often.


So how many people to can you let die to save the majority of people from crippling financial burdens for a generation. Nassem Taleb has a great series of books about fragility of systems and random events. Although he doesn't directly address today's pandemic he makes the case that supporting a fragile system  instead of letting parts of it fail inherently make the entire system more fragile in the future (in this case by adding 20Trillion dollars of debt to the US Federal debt), instead of letting a million people die and compromising civil liberties in previously un-thought ways for the next 100 years.

Neither option is very good. Both are fucking terrible in fact. But sometimes the system is worth more than the individual. Or those that feel they are being oppressed can rise up against it.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman] * 3
    #26594882 - 04/12/20 02:20 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Where do I get my going ousside loicense?





Oh thats coming...  you're gonna need an app on your phone that proves you are vaccine compliant in order to travel anywhere and all movement will be controlled by the state.


Heres a temp solution...




https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/10/police-officer-tells-man-cannot-sit-front-garden-12537093/


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: HappySloth]
    #26594892 - 04/12/20 02:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

There are 4 main solutions that I see.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26592519#26592519

Electronic tracking of every individual

Mass testing of every person  every 14 days (22 million tests per day)

No decision and rolling shut downs until a vaccine can be deployed without the capacity to do either mass testing or political support for surveillance in any effective way. Sadly I think this is the mostly likely, and most economic damaging. (20 Trillion added to federal debt)

Or infection rates are 10x what the reported numbers and herd immunity is only a couple months away. You open everything up, let the old people die and hopefully the hospitals don't get too overwhelmed. (18 Million deaths globally)


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #26594898 - 04/12/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you jut let the virus go unchecked more than the old people will die. Everyone that needs medical intervention will die. We can’t handle 40 million people requiring hospitalization to survive in a three month period. We have ~200,000 ICU beds. The mortality rate will be +10%.

If OP has really been infected, I predict within a month we will have commercially available antibody tests and hopefully a way to certify and allow the immune to resume normal activity.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26594899 - 04/12/20 02:41 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I can touch a shopping cart and pick my nose. But I can't summit a mountain.

I am immune to the virus now, I should be allowed to do what ever the fuck I want.




As far as I know, all National Parks are open.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: koods]
    #26594904 - 04/12/20 02:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm assuming the actual infection rate is about 10x the poasted numbers because systemic problems with a lack of testing. This implies a much lower hospitalization rate, death rate and a quicker path to herd immunity. Hard hit areas like New York might be as much as 25% of the 70% required for herd immunity. Still not great, but could be over before you know it.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1267405/coronavirus-herd-immunity-europe-death-toll-covid-19-germany-angela-merkel

But the information changes so fast it is hard to make a decision, let alone make the correct decision. That's why I'm thinking the third option of indecision and a lack of policy will be the official policy in the USA and Canada at least.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #26594926 - 04/12/20 03:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Off topic a little but thought I read that Charlotte from the cbd canna strain Charlottes web died from covid. Poor girl, managed to get some sibilance of a life back from her seizures to end up
Getting killed off by a virus. Terribly sad


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: koods]
    #26594927 - 04/12/20 03:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I can touch a shopping cart and pick my nose. But I can't summit a mountain.

I am immune to the virus now, I should be allowed to do what ever the fuck I want.




As far as I know, all National Parks are open.




National parks are closed, state parks are closed. No where in my state is open at all and here is a random article I googled to show u a closed national park

https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/news/public-health-update.htm


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #26594931 - 04/12/20 03:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

And don't get me wrong. I like my overweight, diabetic cousin, and my old grandma and all those people. I don't wish death for anyone.

I am saying that propping up a fragile system makes it more inherently fragile and kicks the can down a bit, but makes the overall outcomes much worse.


If you use the war analogy that the politicians love to use these days, we once sent the boys and young men to die in war to prevent the tyranny of fascism. Now we are asking the old people and sickly to be willing to die to prevent mass surveillance and government sponsored oppression, crippling financial burdens for the next generation.

I don't think people are estimating how much the financial burdens are going to be. The USA has spent 25% of their GDP in one month on bailouts(4.2T) If you have 18 months of this shit, it would be cheaper for the government to buy every fucking private asset. Like the total market cap for all the S&P500 companies is only 21T. You could literally buy every fucking major company in the USA for the price that this is going to cost. Apple, Microsoft, Disney, Amazon, Facebook, Exonmobile, McDonalds, everything owned by the government. It is an underestimated tail risk right now.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #26594934 - 04/12/20 03:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The funniest fucking part is 3 weeks ago all state and national parks were fucking free to promote social distancing and now they're fucking closed,

Michigan made it illegal to buy fucking seeds to grow for fucking food lmao.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #26594936 - 04/12/20 03:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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And don't get me wrong. I like my overweight, diabetic cousin, and my old grandma and all those people. I don't wish death for anyone.

I am saying that propping up a fragile system makes it more inherently fragile and kicks the can down a bit, but makes the overall outcomes much worse.


If you use the war analogy that the politicians love to use these days, we once sent the boys and young men to die in war to prevent the tyranny of fascism. Now we are asking the old people and sickly to be willing to die to prevent mass surveillance and government sponsored oppression, crippling financial burdens for the next generation.

I don't think people are estimating how much the financial burdens are going to be. The USA has spent 25% of their GDP in one month on bailouts(4.2T) If you have 18 months of this shit, it would be cheaper for the government to buy every fucking private asset. Like the total market cap for all the S&P500 companies is only 21T. You could literally buy every fucking major company in the USA for the price that this is going to cost. Apple, Microsoft, Disney, Amazon, Facebook, Exonmobile, McDonalds, everything owned by the government. It is an underestimated tail risk right now.




they can shut fucking all the companies down for a few months, I don't care I will be getting 1250 or so a week in unemployment, everyone on unemployment will be getting what ever they qualify for +600 dollars.

I would like to go for a fucking walk in the fucking woods.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #26594943 - 04/12/20 03:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Oh lord no. Maybe in the most hard hit areas of New York City maybe 5% of the population is infected.

Currently the Bronx officially is about 1.5% of the population infected and .1% of the population has died. That’s not the CFR. Thats .1% of the entire population of the Bronx has died from covid.

South Korea’s CFR is about 2% and they likely have identified nearly all infected. Only 2% of their tests are positve, and they are only seeing a few dozen new cases a day. Their CFR is probably very close to the real number. There is a town in Italy of 4600 with 75 deaths. Testing there shows that at least 2/3 of the population is or had been infected. Regardless, their mortality rate (deaths/population) is 1.6%. That means the CFR is at least 1.6.

The true CFR for covid is somewhere between 1.5% and 2%

There is no major country in the world with a CFR below 2% that I am aware of. Even Germany is now 2.3%

I think a good way to estimate the number of cases is to take the deaths and divide by .0175 (this only applies if the healthcare system has been able to handle the stress.)

So the US has ~21000 deaths: 1.2 million infections


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman]
    #26594950 - 04/12/20 03:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I can touch a shopping cart and pick my nose. But I can't summit a mountain.

I am immune to the virus now, I should be allowed to do what ever the fuck I want.




As far as I know, all National Parks are open.




National parks are closed, state parks are closed. No where in my state is open at all and here is a random article I googled to show u a closed national park

https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/news/public-health-update.htm




I was in a national park yesterday along with a lot of other people.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26594952 - 04/12/20 03:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No. You can't just shut down an economy. It's more like a plane in the air than a car on the road. If it stops, everything burns and dies.


If people don't pay their rent, the landlords don't pay their mortgages and their city taxes. If the city doesn't have any taxes it has to axe all services or default on it's debt. Debt defaults ripple though the financial system and ruin pensions and retirement savings. When the mortgages aren't paid you end up with another 2008 housing crisis. Like quickly. It only took 8% of morgages failing to destroy the system a decade ago and you are talking about 30% unemployment for the next 18 months. Like the entire economic system is fucked. 50% of people live pay check to pay check. It is a crisis in the most extreme sense.

Sure you can get the forebarance, but in 2008 60-90% of people that got a forebarance in the first 2 years of the financial crisis later defaulted on their mortgage. It is kicking the can down for financially irresponsible people rather than a get out of jail free card.

There will be suffering not seen in a generation no matter what the policy actions are taken. You collapse the economy into another great depression. Or you kill millions of people and traumatize a generation.


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    #26594968 - 04/12/20 03:31 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You seem to think that it’s a binary choice. Either we let the virus run its course and have an open economy or we prevent mass death but we crash the economy. The thing is if we let the virus do it’s thing, the economy will still come to grinding halt. People will be too afraid to work if they aren’t sick and the sick will consume and ravage the healthcare system. This is not the flu. People with covid are sick for weeks. Look what’s happened in NYC with a just a tiny fraction of the population infected. 3-5% of a country’s population dying within a few months would ruin economies, not just put it on hold.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26594981 - 04/12/20 03:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I can touch a shopping cart and pick my nose. But I can't summit a mountain.

I am immune to the virus now, I should be allowed to do what ever the fuck I want.




As far as I know, all National Parks are open.




National parks are closed, state parks are closed. No where in my state is open at all and here is a random article I googled to show u a closed national park

https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/news/public-health-update.htm




I was in a national park yesterday along with a lot of other people.




Which park

Even the massive Yellow stone park is closed.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #26594985 - 04/12/20 03:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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No. You can't just shut down an economy. It's more like a plane in the air than a car on the road. If it stops, everything burns and dies.


If people don't pay their rent, the landlords don't pay their mortgages and their city taxes. If the city doesn't have any taxes it has to axe all services or default on it's debt. Debt defaults ripple though the financial system and ruin pensions and retirement savings. When the mortgages aren't paid you end up with another 2008 housing crisis. Like quickly. It only took 8% of morgages failing to destroy the system a decade ago and you are talking about 30% unemployment for the next 18 months. Like the entire economic system is fucked. 50% of people live pay check to pay check. It is a crisis in the most extreme sense.

Sure you can get the forebarance, but in 2008 60-90% of people that got a forebarance in the first 2 years of the financial crisis later defaulted on their mortgage. It is kicking the can down for financially irresponsible people rather than a get out of jail free card.

There will be suffering not seen in a generation no matter what the policy actions are taken. You collapse the economy into another great depression. Or you kill millions of people and traumatize a generation.




They'll pay their rent, most people will be making more from unemployment than they did at their fucking job thanks to the 600 extra a week, THATS 600 EXTRA A WEEK! ONTOP OF YOUR REGULAR UNEMPLOYMENT!


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: koods]
    #26594992 - 04/12/20 03:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You seem to think that it’s a binary choice. Either we let the virus run its course and have an open economy or we prevent mass death but we crash the economy. The thing is if we let the virus do it’s thing, the economy will still come to grinding halt. People will be too afraid to work if they aren’t sick and the sick will consume and ravage the healthcare system. This is not the flu. People with covid are sick for weeks. Look what’s happened in NYC with a just a tiny fraction of the population infected. 3-5% of a country’s population dying within a few months would ruin economies, not just put it on hold.




I was sick for 2 weeks, had a 99.4 fever, so I got tested, 5 days later positive test results, 7 days later from original test, was participating in the research study, tested positive agian, 7 more days later, 14 days total, symptom free for 4ish days, tested negative.

2 weeks from that day I will be donating more blood for research.

I barely even got sick, worst part was 4 hours of 100.8 fever with body aches, ached less than a bad flu.

1 day of rigorous coughing, 10 days after I was diagnosed I was feeling good probably was all the way over it by then.

My wifes work, everyone caught it, 1/3 of the old folks in the home died, RIP them for being over 65 years old.

No employees died but some had heart attacks and wound up on ventilators. No employees have died, since 100% of the people there have the virus, younger employees are coming in and working with medium level coughs, might as well work with covid-19 if everyone at your work has covid-19


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    #26594997 - 04/12/20 03:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Damn, looks like you're right: https://www.backpacker.com/news-and-events/the-pacific-northwest-closed-all-forest-service-trails-heres-why

Fuck, this sucks. How could they!




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    #26595012 - 04/12/20 04:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just before the shut down I armed up and increased my arsenal, when I saw food was running out in the stores I left the grocery store and went right to the armory and increased my arsenal, I wasn't the only one to get the Idea either. The line behind me went out the front door and down the street or some shit. I got some of the last items, it was slim pickins after my turn, that long ass line behind me was about to be very disappointing at their selection options.

So now, more people in the area are armed to the teeth, and they're stepping all over us.

We've done some wild shit over tea, its in our veins pumping, freedom pumps through our veins and there is no freedom outside of our bodies right now.


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    #26595016 - 04/12/20 04:06 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I am not even sure if there is freedom inside my body at the moment. We're caged animals right now!


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You gone spread the virus while sk8 boarding m8



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    #26595025 - 04/12/20 04:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Planting seeds spreads the virus its too dangerous m8





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    #26595028 - 04/12/20 04:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Michigan made it illegal to buy fucking seeds to grow for fucking food lmao.






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    #26595032 - 04/12/20 04:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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fuck




its more than fuck, after the virus is over, if it ever is truly over, its like saying the flu will eventually be over, its always around somewhere,

Things will never be the same, we all let them take the rights away, without resistance, shit it was so easy most of you didn't even notice it was happening or happened.

We are now communist, Trumps literally giving away free money, lots of it, lots and lots of it, they're talking about giving essential workers lots of money for still working, like my wife, don't get me wrong we want the fucking money, its fucking money after all. But we're all prisoners of the state now.

Free to do what ever they want to us. Everyone will gladly surrender for their 900 - 1491 dollars a WEEK of unemployment. Essential workers will praise their 25k bonus (if that actually passes as a law anyway) you will surrender your freedom for security and you will do it with thunderous applause, your dollars will go down in value because there is soo many new dollars in the market, but its ok, it will happen globally.

Shit the damage might be so sever every country might have to unite into one symbiotic country and unify the monetary system and damage done to equally spread the financial destruction.

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they want everything bought on the apps

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As far as I know, all National Parks are open.




National parks are closed, state parks are closed. No where in my state is open at all and here is a random article I googled to show u a closed national park

https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/news/public-health-update.htm




I was in a national park yesterday along with a lot of other people.




Which park

Even the massive Yellow stone park is closed.



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    #26595045 - 04/12/20 04:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

They’ve been using antibody tests in other countries for weeks. This country has fucked up every step of the way. Has anyone heard a single detail of a plan on how to open back up and keep infections under control?

I do think that granting freedoms to people who have been infected that the non infected can’t enjoy would have serious consequences of people who intentionally try to get sick and “get it over with.”


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    #26595053 - 04/12/20 04:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I would suggest you just enjoy the fact despite not getting special privileges, you don’t have the burden of worrying about getting sick or infecting other people and just hunker down like the rest of us. And you probably shouldn’t be overstressing your body climbing mountains anyways.


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    #26595064 - 04/12/20 05:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I just volunteered for this NIH study which involves getting an antibody test.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-begins-study-quantify-undetected-cases-coronavirus-infection


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman] * 4
    #26595269 - 04/12/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Parks and mountains around here got absolutely swamped with people once the shutdown happened. this vid is from a trailhead that usual has like 15 cars, there were hundreds: https://reddit.app.link/2M6B4m7ol5

One mild injury/rescue requires a coordinated effort by 8-12 rescuers to recover the person, if they need a stretcher then all these people are basically on top of each other, breathing in each others breath for hours, guaranteeing that if any of them have it (or you), everyone will have it.

With the shutdown there were tons of people with very little hiking experience going out, including people with COVID who won't realize it until they're halfway up the mountain and pass out from lack of oxygen (has already happened, multiple times), and just freak rolled ankle and other accidents that can happen to anyone. There would be a lot of rescues needed. Imagine being a rescuer who has to litter carry someone with COVID for hours?

Depending on the location, the rescuers are often from small mountain towns that cannot afford to deal with more COVID exposure, and often they're some of the only first responders in those towns too. Keeping open state/national parks means hoards of people from the cities coming to the rural towns, hitting up their gas stations and convenience stores, drenching whatever is still open in town in their germs.

Not to mention the trails are currently getting completely torn up. People want to social distance and so they hike on the outside of the trails when people are passing or coming towards them, which is horrible for the structure of the trail, especially since it's still mud season right now so the impact is even worse. I've done trail maintenance before, and trail widening is one of the most difficult things to repair, the damage is often permanent.

Trail head parking lots and bathrooms were also becoming cesspools, around my area at least.

I have plenty of back country spots I could go to and not see a soul, but the risk of an accident requiring a rescue just makes it not worth it. Me connecting with nature isn't worth putting other people at risk, for now I'll just stick to local spots where I'm a cell phone call to my wife and pair of crutches away from the road if something did go wrong.


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Essential workers will praise their 25k bonus (if that actually passes as a law anyway)




This is the first I’m hearing this.... I’ll take an extra $25K :lookslucrative:


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    #26595334 - 04/12/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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National parks are closed, state parks are closed. No where in my state is open at all and here is a random article I googled to show u a closed national park

https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/news/public-health-update.htm




Yeah the vast majority of them are closed.


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Michigan made it illegal to buy fucking seeds to grow for fucking food lmao.




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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: koods]
    #26595353 - 04/12/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I can touch a shopping cart and pick my nose. But I can't summit a mountain.

I am immune to the virus now, I should be allowed to do what ever the fuck I want.




As far as I know, all National Parks are open.




Wrong

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I can touch a shopping cart and pick my nose. But I can't summit a mountain.

I am immune to the virus now, I should be allowed to do what ever the fuck I want.




As far as I know, all National Parks are open.




National parks are closed, state parks are closed. No where in my state is open at all and here is a random article I googled to show u a closed national park

https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/news/public-health-update.htm




I was in a national park yesterday along with a lot of other people.




Wow that is amazing. I wish I lived where you lived. None of that anywhere near me. Locked down. In fast additionally the last 4 places I have been outside of the state in my life also within 100 miles of any of those places no national parks are open. I have seen some people nearby going to some of the local preserves. They basically sneak in when the cops switch up shifts. Only way in or out is to sneak your way past.

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I can touch a shopping cart and pick my nose. But I can't summit a mountain.

I am immune to the virus now, I should be allowed to do what ever the fuck I want.




As far as I know, all National Parks are open.




National parks are closed, state parks are closed. No where in my state is open at all and here is a random article I googled to show u a closed national park

https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/news/public-health-update.htm




This has been my experience as well


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    #26595355 - 04/12/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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This is where the inevitable social discord will go.


Those that have had the virus or are otherwise healthy will want to open up the economy, go back to work, get on with it.

Old and frail people are stuck inside crippling the economy. But generally old people have more money and show up to vote more often.


So how many people to can you let die to save the majority of people from crippling financial burdens for a generation. Nassem Taleb has a great series of books about fragility of systems and random events. Although he doesn't directly address today's pandemic he makes the case that supporting a fragile system  instead of letting parts of it fail inherently make the entire system more fragile in the future (in this case by adding 20Trillion dollars of debt to the US Federal debt), instead of letting a million people die and compromising civil liberties in previously un-thought ways for the next 100 years.

Neither option is very good. Both are fucking terrible in fact. But sometimes the system is worth more than the individual. Or those that feel they are being oppressed can rise up against it.




You do kind of have a point

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If you jut let the virus go unchecked more than the old people will die. Everyone that needs medical intervention will die. We can’t handle 40 million people requiring hospitalization to survive in a three month period. We have ~200,000 ICU beds. The mortality rate will be  10%.

If OP has really been infected, I predict within a month we will have commercially available antibody tests and hopefully a way to certify and allow the immune to resume normal activity.




Are you sure? Are you absolutely sure? I was not sure myself. The 750 times you mentioned that there will be 40 million deaths if people do not take this seriously enough flew over my head. I was not 100% positive that 40 million people will die if we don't lock this down. Btw this not really a good lockdown to begin with. Its so half assed it almost begs those to wonder why its even locked down at all. You can walk into a restaurant and get something to go. You can crowd into a grocery store instead of having an employee fetch your items while you wait by the door. Yet you can't go to the beach. But just in case we weren't all 500% sure that 40 million people could die if we do not lock the hell down out of this....

.... One more time? With links?

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I thought Americans had guns to fight off tyranny. Or did all the hardcores already run to their hideouts in the woods?




we skipped the well regulated part of the constitution so we don't know what to do




The constitution is made up as it goes along.

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I'm assuming the actual infection rate is about 10x the poasted numbers because systemic problems with a lack of testing. This implies a much lower hospitalization rate, death rate and a quicker path to herd immunity. Hard hit areas like New York might be as much as 25% of the 70% required for herd immunity. Still not great, but could be over before you know it.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1267405/coronavirus-herd-immunity-europe-death-toll-covid-19-germany-angela-merkel

But the information changes so fast it is hard to make a decision, let alone make the correct decision. That's why I'm thinking the third option of indecision and a lack of policy will be the official policy in the USA and Canada at least.




At this point lots of people have died. What does the exact number even matter anymore? They waited too long to lock down and locked down half ass. Its almost like everyone already has it. Its almost like everyone already had it and got over it except those dying and want to move on. Statistics don't prove this. It only proves more worst will happen.

Either way the fact is lots of peoples families suffer from loss of loved ones. I lost my mother 4 months ago. She had pneumonia. No it wasn't covid-19 it was alcoholism mixed with antibiotics and falling asleep outside in the snow. She got sick and died. Statistics won't bring her back. My pain is cemented. Still I hate to see people go homeless. Yes laws are in place and unemployment laws are in place etc. Etc. But being able to afford a lawyer helps with those things also. Not saying "fuck everyone they all die who cares." I am more saying these constant stats do not bring people back or end misery. There must be a way to help people with no money, virus or not, lockdown or not, one way or the other without just posting gloomy stats all day.

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And don't get me wrong. I like my overweight, diabetic cousin, and my old grandma and all those people. I don't wish death for anyone.

I am saying that propping up a fragile system makes it more inherently fragile and kicks the can down a bit, but makes the overall outcomes much worse.


If you use the war analogy that the politicians love to use these days, we once sent the boys and young men to die in war to prevent the tyranny of fascism. Now we are asking the old people and sickly to be willing to die to prevent mass surveillance and government sponsored oppression, crippling financial burdens for the next generation.

I don't think people are estimating how much the financial burdens are going to be. The USA has spent 25% of their GDP in one month on bailouts(4.2T) If you have 18 months of this shit, it would be cheaper for the government to buy every fucking private asset. Like the total market cap for all the S&P500 companies is only 21T. You could literally buy every fucking major company in the USA for the price that this is going to cost. Apple, Microsoft, Disney, Amazon, Facebook, Exonmobile, McDonalds, everything owned by the government. It is an underestimated tail risk right now.




That is of course the other side of the story

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And don't get me wrong. I like my overweight, diabetic cousin, and my old grandma and all those people. I don't wish death for anyone.

I am saying that propping up a fragile system makes it more inherently fragile and kicks the can down a bit, but makes the overall outcomes much worse.


If you use the war analogy that the politicians love to use these days, we once sent the boys and young men to die in war to prevent the tyranny of fascism. Now we are asking the old people and sickly to be willing to die to prevent mass surveillance and government sponsored oppression, crippling financial burdens for the next generation.

I don't think people are estimating how much the financial burdens are going to be. The USA has spent 25% of their GDP in one month on bailouts(4.2T) If you have 18 months of this shit, it would be cheaper for the government to buy every fucking private asset. Like the total market cap for all the S&P500 companies is only 21T. You could literally buy every fucking major company in the USA for the price that this is going to cost. Apple, Microsoft, Disney, Amazon, Facebook, Exonmobile, McDonalds, everything owned by the government. It is an underestimated tail risk right now.




they can shut fucking all the companies down for a few months, I don't care I will be getting 1250 or so a week in unemployment, everyone on unemployment will be getting what ever they qualify for  600 dollars.

I would like to go for a fucking walk in the fucking woods.




We are all dying for that. Seems less crowded and more socially distanced then the grocery stores

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No. You can't just shut down an economy. It's more like a plane in the air than a car on the road. If it stops, everything burns and dies.


If people don't pay their rent, the landlords don't pay their mortgages and their city taxes. If the city doesn't have any taxes it has to axe all services or default on it's debt. Debt defaults ripple though the financial system and ruin pensions and retirement savings. When the mortgages aren't paid you end up with another 2008 housing crisis. Like quickly. It only took 8% of morgages failing to destroy the system a decade ago and you are talking about 30% unemployment for the next 18 months. Like the entire economic system is fucked. 50% of people live pay check to pay check. It is a crisis in the most extreme sense.

Sure you can get the forebarance, but in 2008 60-90% of people that got a forebarance in the first 2 years of the financial crisis later defaulted on their mortgage. It is kicking the can down for financially irresponsible people rather than a get out of jail free card.

There will be suffering not seen in a generation no matter what the policy actions are taken. You collapse the economy into another great depression. Or you kill millions of people and traumatize a generation.




Stuck between a rock and a hard place. The rich escape and everyone else is fucked. One way or another.

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Oh lord no. Maybe in the most hard hit areas of New York City maybe 5% of the population is infected.

Currently the Bronx officially is about 1.5% of the population infected and .1% of the population has died. That’s not the CFR. Thats .1% of the entire population of the Bronx has died from covid.

South Korea’s CFR is about 2% and they likely have identified nearly all infected. Only 2% of their tests are positve, and they are only seeing a few dozen new cases a day. Their CFR is probably very close to the real number. There is a town in Italy of 4600 with 75 deaths. Testing there shows that at least 2/3 of the population is or had been infected. Regardless, their mortality rate (deaths/population) is 1.6%. That means the CFR is at least 1.6.

The true CFR for covid is somewhere between 1.5% and 2%

There is no major country in the world with a CFR below 2% that I am aware of. Even Germany is now 2.3%

I think a good way to estimate the number of cases is to take the deaths and divide by .0175 (this only applies if the healthcare system has been able to handle the stress.)

So the US has ~21000 deaths: 1.2 million infections




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You seem to think that it’s a binary choice. Either we let the virus run its course and have an open economy or we prevent mass death but we crash the economy. The thing is if we let the virus do it’s thing, the economy will still come to grinding halt. People will be too afraid to work if they aren’t sick and the sick will consume and ravage the healthcare system. This is not the flu. People with covid are sick for weeks. Look what’s happened in NYC with a just a tiny fraction of the population infected. 3-5% of a country’s population dying within a few months would ruin economies, not just put it on hold.




Sadly the economy could improve with less ground level competition

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No. You can't just shut down an economy. It's more like a plane in the air than a car on the road. If it stops, everything burns and dies.


If people don't pay their rent, the landlords don't pay their mortgages and their city taxes. If the city doesn't have any taxes it has to axe all services or default on it's debt. Debt defaults ripple though the financial system and ruin pensions and retirement savings. When the mortgages aren't paid you end up with another 2008 housing crisis. Like quickly. It only took 8% of morgages failing to destroy the system a decade ago and you are talking about 30% unemployment for the next 18 months. Like the entire economic system is fucked. 50% of people live pay check to pay check. It is a crisis in the most extreme sense.

Sure you can get the forebarance, but in 2008 60-90% of people that got a forebarance in the first 2 years of the financial crisis later defaulted on their mortgage. It is kicking the can down for financially irresponsible people rather than a get out of jail free card.

There will be suffering not seen in a generation no matter what the policy actions are taken. You collapse the economy into another great depression. Or you kill millions of people and traumatize a generation.




They'll pay their rent, most people will be making more from unemployment than they did at their fucking job thanks to the 600 extra a week, THATS 600 EXTRA A WEEK! ONTOP OF YOUR REGULAR UNEMPLOYMENT!




Depends on the state you live in. Unemployment by itself is a shit wage that won't your rent none the less your food plus rent. Its an emergency measure not designed for prolonged crisis. None of these politicians seem to be prepared for prolonged crisis or ever were.

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They’ve been using antibody tests in other countries for weeks. This country has fucked up every step of the way. Has anyone heard a single detail of a plan on how to open back up and keep infections under control?

I do think that granting freedoms to people who have been infected that the non infected can’t enjoy would have serious consequences of people who intentionally try to get sick and “get it over with.”




Enjoy anything? What is to enjoy? It kind of does not seem like you will be happy until everyone totally agrees with you that its fucked we are all fucked you are fucked and I am fucked and its time to put a gun to my head and pull the trigger and end it already.

What is your suggestion anyway? Is there a single positive thing from your direction? Does anyone have a chance?

You have clearly listed the cons. Are there any pros? If you continue I will believe they should just fire the nukes already and save the remaining world population the stress of suffering any further



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    #26595362 - 04/12/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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C&O canal




I just called them to see if they were open and the person who answered told me to go fuck myself and asked me if I heard of this thing called the coronavirus

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    #26595365 - 04/12/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Parks and mountains around here got absolutely swamped with people once the shutdown happened. this vid is from a trailhead that usual has like 15 cars, there were hundreds: https://reddit.app.link/2M6B4m7ol5

One mild injury/rescue requires a coordinated effort by 8-12 rescuers to recover the person, if they need a stretcher then all these people are basically on top of each other, breathing in each others breath for hours, guaranteeing that if any of them have it (or you), everyone will have it.

With the shutdown there were tons of people with very little hiking experience going out, including people with COVID who won't realize it until they're halfway up the mountain and pass out from lack of oxygen (has already happened, multiple times), and just freak rolled ankle and other accidents that can happen to anyone. There would be a lot of rescues needed. Imagine being a rescuer who has to litter carry someone with COVID for hours?

Depending on the location, the rescuers are often from small mountain towns that cannot afford to deal with more COVID exposure, and often they're some of the only first responders in those towns too. Keeping open state/national parks means hoards of people from the cities coming to the rural towns, hitting up their gas stations and convenience stores, drenching whatever is still open in town in their germs.

Not to mention the trails are currently getting completely torn up. People want to social distance and so they hike on the outside of the trails when people are passing or coming towards them, which is horrible for the structure of the trail, especially since it's still mud season right now so the impact is even worse. I've done trail maintenance before, and trail widening is one of the most difficult things to repair, the damage is often permanent.

Trail head parking lots and bathrooms were also becoming cesspools, around my area at least.

I have plenty of back country spots I could go to and not see a soul, but the risk of an accident requiring a rescue just makes it not worth it. Me connecting with nature isn't worth putting other people at risk, for now I'll just stick to local spots where I'm a cell phone call to my wife and pair of crutches away from the road if something did go wrong.




I kind of think there is a difference between trying to help someone with a quarantine and trying to babysit everyone until the planet is better. People get sick and make their own choices. Airplanes take off. The world goes. The question here is at what point are the hospitals not overwhelmed and are people allowed to continue to take risks?


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    #26595376 - 04/12/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My point is we are not even remotely close to a herd immunity situation. Many people are vastly overestimating the actual penetration of the virus into the population . Maybe 2-4% of the population has been infected in NYC. Most places in the country have less than 1% infected.

If we had strategic testing set up by the end of the month - and in exchange for opening up businesses that don’t involve mass gatherings - there will be a strict and supervised quarantine and isolation policy for the infected and those with known exposure. We could get back to a reasonable amount of business activity next month. But this only works with mandatory supervised quarantine. Even a small number of cheaters would undermine this strategy

We have the testing capacity to do this now, once the current wave is tailing off. Like when New York is down to 200 or fewer cases a day or we get down to having only 2-4% positive tests. With a good testing regime, you could keep daily cases at a low but steady rate, or even continue to reduce.


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My point is we are not even remotely close to a herd immunity situation. Many people are vastly overestimating the actual penetration of the virus into the population . Maybe 2-4% of the population has been infected in NYC. Most places in the country have less than 1% infected.

If we had strategic testing set up by the end of the month - and in exchange for opening up businesses that don’t involve mass gatherings - there will be a strict and supervised quarantine and isolation policy for the infected and those with known exposure. We could get back to a reasonable amount of business activity next month. But this only works with mandatory supervised quarantine. Even a small number of cheaters would undermine this strategy

We have the testing capacity to do this now, once the current wave is tailing off. Like when New York is down to 200 or fewer cases a day or we get down to having only 2-4% positive tests. With a good testing regime, you could keep daily cases at a low but steady rate, or even continue to reduce.




We could start to grow back to a normal business regime starting as soon as next month? Koods that is the most positive thing I have ever heard you say!

You see now that is a good plan! So if we implement that plan we can all survive then get the ability to maintain our homes and livelyhood back? We just need to stop the cheaters?

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    #26595447 - 04/12/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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    #26595456 - 04/12/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

China sealed people’s door and if the seal was broken, they were taken to a detention center to compete their quarantine. They are allowed to get deliveries and are free to work or other activities as long as they remain inside.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: koods]
    #26595529 - 04/12/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You need to have testing capacity for 22 million people per day and be able to access people's mobile phone GPS data with impunity. Both programs require a high degree of organization, planning, execution and safe guards to prevent abuse. The government is still struggling to do something as simple as to mail cheques to everyone. It's going to be an uphill battle.


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    #26595603 - 04/12/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My state actually opened up trout fishing season a bit early, our parks are all open, but since we're under stay at home orders they really don't want people going more than 15 minutes away to go hiking - The AT is closed though. And cops have been pulling people over and issuing tickets to people who are out without cause.

I live right by a very crowded downtown river trail that I avoid like hell, and I'm about 9 days into a 2 week quarantine before I'm headed out to a more rural area with really good access to outdoor recreation for precisely this reason.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #26595651 - 04/12/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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China sealed people’s door and if the seal was broken, they were taken to a detention center to compete their quarantine. They are allowed to get deliveries and are free to work or other activities as long as they remain inside.




So that is how they did it. Some would say their quarantine was much less lengthy then everyone elses.

Actually their quarantine ended sooner because they went on quarantine sooner. Yet for 2 and a half months no one was allowed to go anywhere. So its interesting how people think they are retarded yet the lack of strickness for everyone else will just drag it out and drag it out and drag it out. The USA quarantine is like limbo, you can't go up to heaven and can't just go straight to hell. Well except the hospitals are like hell but you get the metaphor.

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    #26595652 - 04/12/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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My state actually opened up trout fishing season a bit early, our parks are all open, but since we're under stay at home orders they really don't want people going more than 15 minutes away to go hiking - The AT is closed though. And cops have been pulling people over and issuing tickets to people who are out without cause.

I live right by a very crowded downtown river trail that I avoid like hell, and I'm about 9 days into a 2 week quarantine before I'm headed out to a more rural area with really good access to outdoor recreation for precisely this reason.




That is the way to go

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There is going to be a civil war.




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    #26595654 - 04/12/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

In DC most parks are part of the National Park service and apparently they have sent in the troops to enforce the rules. This is a park that has a drum circle on sundays.





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    #26595662 - 04/12/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Oh thats coming...  you're gonna need an app on your phone that proves you are vaccine compliant in order to travel anywhere and all movement will be controlled by the state.





https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/12/nhs-creating-contact-tracing-app-prevent-future-outbreaks-coronavirus-12546936/

My country just announced it.

THE NWO is uncloaking before our eyes.

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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman]
    #26595669 - 04/12/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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My lungs are recovered from having the Corona Virus and I can't go on a fucking hike, but I can go to a local park and walk, but I can't play tennis in the tennis court, but I can walk on the trail, the most populated location of the local park, or is it not allowed and I am just hearing it is? I

I can't go on a fucking joy ride in my own car, but I can walk in a local park? but I can't climb a mountain or camp out in butt fuck no where?

I am expected to not lose my shit and do something drastic?




Basically yeah but as long as you're not being stupid about it I haven't met a local cop or ranger that is keen on enforcing it.


I've been scratching my head over the closure of the big parks too. I went to the local park and it's too crowded for people to want to adhere to social distancing. But they're like the only parks that are explicitly open and within walking distance.



It seems like the government made some rules and then left that up to everyone else to interpret. When you have different people interpreting the same rules differently... this happens.


But if you're in america I suggest you just try anything that seems like a grey area, again, while not being stupid about it. The worst that will happen is some authority will tell you to go home. The last thing they want to do is put you in their car and then take you to jail just cuz you wanted to drive around or visit a park.


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    #26595671 - 04/12/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Also don't use this as an excuse to go and crowd parks that are supposedly closed because if a ton of people are going there and chilling in obvious spots and obviously not exercising (hiking, w/e) they will start enforcing it.


The whole thing is these institutions saw the public wasn't taking it seriously so they figured they had to take it seriously for us. Because we're stupid.


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    #26595684 - 04/12/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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My state actually opened up trout fishing season a bit early, our parks are all open, but since we're under stay at home orders they really don't want people going more than 15 minutes away to go hiking - The AT is closed though. And cops have been pulling people over and issuing tickets to people who are out without cause.





Man I can't wait for all the legal battles that are going to come out of this.


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    #26595691 - 04/12/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Also don't use this as an excuse to go and crowd parks that are supposedly closed because if a ton of people are going there and chilling in obvious spots and obviously not exercising (hiking, w/e) they will start enforcing it.


The whole thing is these institutions saw the public wasn't taking it seriously so they figured they had to take it seriously for us. Because we're stupid.


Please don't be stupid.



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Also don't use this as an excuse to go and crowd parks that are supposedly closed because if a ton of people are going there and chilling in obvious spots and obviously not exercising (hiking, w/e) they will start enforcing it.


The whole thing is these institutions saw the public wasn't taking it seriously so they figured they had to take it seriously for us. Because we're stupid.


Please don't be stupid.




They closed the entire mountain range. You can't go to a fucking 150 year old ghost town that is a multi mile hike to get to. The only option left is to do something stupid.


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    #26595714 - 04/12/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Well start thinking about where else you can go.


I can guarantee you that at some point the ACLU is going to get involved. Too many people that need to do/get things to manage physical and mental health conditions aren't getting those things and too many poor/black people aren't being given the tools to be informed and understand the seriousness of what's going on or what is and isn't allowed.


Like it's not being blared out on the media but the weakness of our social system is definitely showing.



And it kinda has during every major catastrophe in the last 2 decades. But never on this scale.


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    #26595857 - 04/12/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I've been scratching my head over the closure of the big parks too.




Some I understand, like Yellowstone or the Grand Canyon for example -- because they're incredibly busy parks. And big crowds gather at many of the looking points.

But others, like Big Bend National Park (which is closed now due to covid), I don't get at all.

Big Bend it was one of the most remote parks in the US. It's almost 1,300 square miles. I mean I'm no scholar but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that one would be able to social distance pretty well in a park that far out of the way  and of that size...

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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Niffla] * 2
    #26595868 - 04/12/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'll continue to go on hikes outdoors.

I really do no give a fuck considering I'm not coming into contact with anyone.

Just the other day I went to go on a hike around a local area I've been going to for years and there were signs posted about the area being closed :rolleyes: . I wasn't hurting anything and wasn't around anyone, so I continued on with my hike.

I don't watch TV or movies at all, I don't play any video games, I don't read books, I don't really talk to anyone...nature and the outdoors is my "life" lol.






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Michigan made it illegal to buy fucking seeds to grow for fucking food lmao.




are you serious?

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I'm curious where ya'll heard about Mich making it illegal to buy seeds?..Is there an official statement from the gov? I find that a bit hard to believe.

What's the reasoning?





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    #26595870 - 04/12/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

But if all the other parks were closed, and Big Bend was open, people would flock to it, and it'd be a circus out there.  The place would likely get trashed.


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    #26595879 - 04/12/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I'll continue to go on hikes outdoors.

I really do no give a fuck considering I'm not coming into contact with anyone.






Yeah I don't see the issue at all if we're talking about the more quiet trails. I mean it's outside for fuck's sake. There's no better place in the world to be able to keep a proper social distance than freaking outside. Shit if you see someone coming you can put 50 feet between you and that person if you want to. Now if it's an extremely busy and popular trail that would be different of course.

Hiking on your own though and in a quiet area is one of the safest physical activities you can do these days. I say hike away my friend!

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    #26595881 - 04/12/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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But if all the other parks were closed, and Big Bend was open, people would flock to it, and it'd be a circus out there.  The place would likely get trashed.




Yeah I guess that's true. If all the other parks or closing then they pretty much have to follow in line I guess.


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    #26595886 - 04/12/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I'll continue to go on hikes outdoors.

I really do no give a fuck considering I'm not coming into contact with anyone.

Just the other day I went to go on a hike around a local area I've been going to for years and there were signs posted about the area being closed :rolleyes: . I wasn't hurting anything and wasn't around anyone, so I continued on with my hike.

I don't watch TV or movies at all, I don't play any video games, I don't read books, I don't really talk to anyone...nature and the outdoors is my "life" lol.






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Michigan made it illegal to buy fucking seeds to grow for fucking food lmao.




are you serious?

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I'm curious where ya'll heard about Mich making it illegal to buy seeds?..Is there an official statement from the gov? I find that a bit hard to believe.

What's the reasoning?





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https://www.dailywire.com/news/michigan-gov-whitmer-bans-residents-from-buying-seeds-or-plants-and-gatherings-of-any-size

and its not just Michigan its Vermont also!



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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman] * 3
    #26595934 - 04/12/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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https://www.dailywire.com/news/michigan-gov-whitmer-bans-residents-from-buying-seeds-or-plants-and-gatherings-of-any-size

and its not just Michigan its Vermont also!



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That's wack as fuck. I do not understand what the reasoning is behind banning the sale of seeds & plants?

Things like that make me start thinking there is something more going on here, thinking about conspiracies & shit lol.

When I'm not allowed to fish...When I'm not allowed to buy seeds and grow my own food...when I'm not allowed to walk around by myself outdoors in nature/wilderness..that's when I start getting very very :feelsparanoidman:  .





I feel like things here in California are way more chill than other parts of the country :shrug: ...Or maybe it's because I don't watch any TV/news and don't consume/pay attention to any sort of media so I'm not really "in touch" with the current state of events here. But I'm still able to buy plant seeds, I still go on bike rides, I still go on hikes when I get the chance. This whole thing hasn't really had much of any impact on me/my lifestyle at all yet, until they start closing down the "wilderness" :rolleyes: .




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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: openmind] * 2
    #26595942 - 04/12/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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budmanman said:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/michigan-gov-whitmer-bans-residents-from-buying-seeds-or-plants-and-gatherings-of-any-size

and its not just Michigan its Vermont also!



OI U GOT YOUR PLANTING FOOD TO EAT LOICENSE M8






That's wack as fuck. I do not understand what the reasoning is behind banning the sale of seeds & plants?

Things like that make me start thinking there is something more going on here, thinking about conspiracies & shit lol.

When I'm not allowed to fish...When I'm not allowed to buy seeds and grow my own food...when I'm not allowed to walk around by myself outdoors in nature/wilderness..that's when I start getting very very :feelsparanoidman:  .





I feel like things here in California are way more chill than other parts of the country :shrug: ...Or maybe it's because I don't watch any TV/news and don't consume/pay attention to any sort of media so I'm not really "in touch" with the current state of events here. But I'm still able to buy plant seeds, I still go on bike rides, I still go on hikes when I get the chance. This whole thing hasn't really had much of any impact on me/my lifestyle at all yet, until they start closing down the "wilderness" :rolleyes: .




-OM

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This happened in California



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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: openmind] * 2
    #26595944 - 04/12/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That's because there is something way more going on for sure.

It's all about control & taking away freedom.
Everthing that people said was going to happen is really happening. Soon it will be cashless society.


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    #26595946 - 04/12/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

They already won't accept cash here.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: watermelon mon] * 1
    #26595950 - 04/12/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

OI you got your paper money loicense? We need you all to all touch the same touch screen pad and spread the virus for your safety, lets spread it to as many people as possible to protect ye ol employee but spreading it everywhere will give it to ye ol emploee anyway, he probably already has it!


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26595964 - 04/12/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Worse a one world cryptocurrency.

The united states of America has a patent on the virus.

dont have too much of a opinion but I think it's bio war.
I dont know anyone who dosent think 9/11  wasn't a inside job.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman]
    #26596024 - 04/12/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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This happened in California



OI YOU GOT YOUR GOING OUT ALONE IN THE OCEAN LOICENSE!





Super lame.

I mean I understand the entire beach was closed and the lifeguard was telling the dude he couldn't be there for a while before he called the cops/sherrif.

...but still, that's pretty wack




From what I understand, outdoor activities are still 100% OK as long as social distancing is being practiced and people aren't gathering in groups and people aren't in areas that have been "closed".

The statement I read says...

Quote:

For purposes of this Order, individuals may leave their residence only to perform
"Essential Activities." People at high risk of severe illness from COVID-19 and people
who are sick are urged to stay at home or place of residence to the extent possible
except as necessary to seek medical care. "Essential Activities" are limited to the
following:

iii. To engage in outdoor activity, provided the individuals comply with Social
Distancing Requirements as defined in this Section, such as, by way of example
and without limitation, walking, hiking, biking, running or equestrian activities.
Use of park or playground equipment is prohibited.




(It lists other things as well but I only posted the part about outdoor activities.)



So people should still be able to go out for walks/jogs, hikes, bike rides, etc...As long as it's not in an area that's closed (but there are lots of areas that are closed).


I know Yosemite NP is closed entirely right now. I have some friends that work & live in Yosemite valley and I am super jealous of them having that entire place to themselves right now with no crowds or tourists anywhere lol . Having an empty Yosemite all to themselves.

From what I understand...Most, if not all, State Parks in California are closed to vehicle traffic. But they are still open to people walking/biking in.




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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: watermelon mon]
    #26596071 - 04/12/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Worse a one world cryptocurrency.





Global coin.  Was announced in 2019 to be launched 2020 by facebook as libre.

Facebook plans to launch 'GlobalCoin' currency in 2020

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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: HappySloth] * 2
    #26596196 - 04/12/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I am sorry. we are at the mercy of how much shit everybody else is willing to take. stop relying on the government and fend for yourself. grow and gather as much food as you can get the fuck out of the cities if you can. go stay with family in the country for the summer if you can grow a giant garden. ive had enough already i quit. fuck everything. i am sorry


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    #26596208 - 04/12/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman]
    #26596238 - 04/12/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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budmanman said:
Quote:

openmind said:
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budmanman said:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/michigan-gov-whitmer-bans-residents-from-buying-seeds-or-plants-and-gatherings-of-any-size

and its not just Michigan its Vermont also!



OI U GOT YOUR PLANTING FOOD TO EAT LOICENSE M8






That's wack as fuck. I do not understand what the reasoning is behind banning the sale of seeds & plants?

Things like that make me start thinking there is something more going on here, thinking about conspiracies & shit lol.

When I'm not allowed to fish...When I'm not allowed to buy seeds and grow my own food...when I'm not allowed to walk around by myself outdoors in nature/wilderness..that's when I start getting very very :feelsparanoidman:  .





I feel like things here in California are way more chill than other parts of the country :shrug: ...Or maybe it's because I don't watch any TV/news and don't consume/pay attention to any sort of media so I'm not really "in touch" with the current state of events here. But I'm still able to buy plant seeds, I still go on bike rides, I still go on hikes when I get the chance. This whole thing hasn't really had much of any impact on me/my lifestyle at all yet, until they start closing down the "wilderness" :rolleyes: .




-OM

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This happened in California



OI YOU GOT YOUR GOING OUT ALONE IN THE OCEAN LOICENSE!




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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: watermelon mon]
    #26596242 - 04/12/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Worse a one world cryptocurrency.

The united states of America has a patent on the virus.

dont have too much of a opinion but I think it's bio war.
I dont know anyone who dosent think 9/11  wasn't a inside job.




Just like we never knew with 9 11 and never will know we will never know with this

The good news is the speculations will continue to the end of history I am sure :wink:

You just me be right :shrug: who the fuck knows is all


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #26596265 - 04/12/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I went on a hike today.

picked my friend up, made him sit in the back, put my respirator on and drove with his window cracked. then we stayed 2 meters apart while on the hike.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26596283 - 04/12/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Damn straight, that is the procedure


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #26596288 - 04/12/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It's really not some big conspiracy

Everyone on wilderness rescue crews, park rangers, people who do trail maintenance etc have been urging the government to shut stuff down since last month, in NH and Maine at least but Im guessing all over

My buddy in Maine says locals up there are going to trailheads and trashing cars of the hikers with out of state plates. Pretty fucked up, but I cant really blame them when these same cars are coming from highly infected areas (NY, MA) and also stopping at local stores and gas stations, and maybe even needing to get carried out of the woods because no one seems to understand it's still winter on the summits.

Imo it's pretty careless and selfish during a deadly viral pandemic to hike anywhere you can't call a friend or something to come help you get out if you twist an ankle or worse. One freak accident, which happen all the time, and you're forcing 8-12 people to come bail you out and be seriously at risk, because many are first responders and may currently be carriers. I hike 200+ miles a year and have had enough close calls even on easy terrain to know it's best to just stick to local and more mellow trails.

Social distancing is not really the issue in most places, although as I said before it's literally destroying the trail because it's mud season and people are widening the trail to make way when passing others, and destroying the super fragile alpine tundra on the summits to have more space to get their selfies


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: feevers] * 2
    #26596295 - 04/12/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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It's really not some big conspiracy

Everyone on wilderness rescue crews, park rangers, people who do trail maintenance etc have been urging the government to shut stuff down since last month, in NH and Maine at least but Im guessing all over

My buddy in Maine says locals up there are going to trailheads and trashing cars of the hikers with out of state plates. Pretty fucked up, but I cant really blame them when these same cars are coming from highly infected areas (NY, MA) and also stopping at local stores and gas stations, and maybe even needing to get carried out of the woods because no one seems to understand it's still winter on the summits.

Imo it's pretty careless and selfish during a deadly viral pandemic to hike anywhere you can't call a friend or something to come help you get out if you twist an ankle or worse. One freak accident, which happen all the time, and you're forcing 8-12 people to come bail you out and be seriously at risk, because many are first responders and may currently be carriers. I hike 200+ miles a year and have had enough close calls even on easy terrain to know it's best to just stick to local and more mellow trails. Social distancing is not really the issue in most places




They can let us hike and warn us there won't be any rescue so don't fuck up. Simple as that, not ban my freedom.


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    #26596297 - 04/12/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

lol I've been hearing some crazy things about Maine - cutting down trees to block peoples cars and enforce quarantines of residences with out of state license plates(who were there for over a month at that point anyway). Undoubtedly with pitchforks and torches.


It's all very...Maine.


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    #26596305 - 04/12/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe the civil war will start out with internal conflict then.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman]
    #26596313 - 04/12/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

We've already got states competing financially for medical supplies and trying to out bid each other :shrug:. Makes sense.

Though I don't think we'll see a full blown civil war...more of a collapse.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman]
    #26596323 - 04/12/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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They can let us hike and warn us there won't be any rescue so don't fuck up. Simple as that, not ban my freedom.





That would never fly in America due to litigation and media

NH has been saying for years they're going to start sending the $10k bill every time they need to chopper out some wreckless hiker who got caught out unprepared, or ignored weather warnings, but there's a huge media backlash everytime it comes up so they don't actually enforce the bill.

I know a couple guys on rescue crews, they will be in no hurry for any calls they get until this is all over. The average response time is around 2 hours plus 1 hour for every mile from the trail head, wouldn't be surprised to see that wait double


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26596375 - 04/12/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

One positive is that I've been exploring the little conservation areas near me a whole lot more. Early in the day or late at night it's pretty quiet and not hard to get away from people. Even right on the edge of the city we have a pretty cool trail system with lots of woods and views.

It's a zoo during the day now though, I've been walking the access roads under power lines and checking out the woods around them in my city. Saw a family of turkeys yesterday. Already had 4 ticks on me this season which is crazy, usual I only get one or two a year


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    #26596390 - 04/12/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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lol I've been hearing some crazy things about Maine - cutting down trees to block peoples cars and enforce quarantines of residences with out of state license plates(who were there for over a month at that point anyway). Undoubtedly with pitchforks and torches.


It's all very...Maine.




I bet some of them are loving it. They finally have a reason to take out all their pent up rage at all the people "from away".


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It's really not some big conspiracy






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    #26596507 - 04/12/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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    #26596518 - 04/12/20 07:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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couple smelts and a herring








Looks like slim catchings. I would throw em back and get something meatier.

Oh yes let me be up front and politically correct right away. Those fish can potentially pass on covid-19. Make sure you cook them extra well done :wink:

See how from the other direction that can be kind of annoying? Yes but anyway if you do not pay attention I am going to post constant death stat updates to scare you into being careful :smirk:

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    #26596535 - 04/12/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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    #26596569 - 04/12/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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That's because there is something way more going on for sure.

It's all about control & taking away freedom.
Everthing that people said was going to happen is really happening. Soon it will be cashless society.




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    #26596570 - 04/12/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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feevers said:
It's really not some big conspiracy






You don't know that




I'd say Occam's razor more than likely applies if you're considering that there is anyone in power right now intelligent enough to string together a conspiracy involving the federal forest service, national park service, and every single individual state county and town/city park and state forest departments and conservation committees. There are thousands of people with virtually no power and status who would need to be complicit in the conspiracy for it to work.

In reality, as I already said many of the people who dedicate their life to the hiking community and trail building/maintenance (along with rescue crews, game wardens, park rangers) are either in full support of the closures or in many cases actually led the charge and wrote and petitioned their governments to shut things down in the first place.


http://appalachiantrail.org/home/community/news/2020/04/03/atc-requests-temporary-closure-of-the-a.t
https://www.randolphmountainclub.org/
https://www.outdoors.org/articles/newsroom/amc-preparations-for-covid-19
https://www.pcta.org/covid-19/

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    #26596590 - 04/12/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

imachavel said:
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feevers said:
It's really not some big conspiracy






You don't know that




I'd say Occam's razor more than likely applies if you're considering that there is anyone in power right now intelligent enough to string together a conspiracy involving the federal forest service, national park service, and every single individual state county and town/city park and state forest departments and conservation committees. There are thousands of people with virtually no power and status who would need to be complicit in the conspiracy for it to work.

In reality, as I already said many of the people who dedicate their life to the hiking community and trail building/maintenance (along with rescue crews, game wardens, park rangers) are either in full support of the closures or in many cases actually led the charge and wrote and petitioned their governments to shut things down in the first place.


http://appalachiantrail.org/home/community/news/2020/04/03/atc-requests-temporary-closure-of-the-a.t
https://www.randolphmountainclub.org/
https://www.outdoors.org/articles/newsroom/amc-preparations-for-covid-19
https://www.pcta.org/covid-19/

The trails will still be there when this is over





they closed down gun stores but not weed stores with a stroke of Inslees pen, they can do what ever they want.


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    #26596617 - 04/12/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Didn't the federal guidelines list gun stores as essential? And isn't it a state, and sometimes even a county/sheriff decision at this point?

Idk how that's really relevant to the thread though. All I'm saying is that the message from the people that actually build and maintain the trails we want to hike on, as well as those who have to rescue people and now risk their own health/exposure when things inevitably go wrong, is "Keep it small, keep it local, come back later."


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    #26596644 - 04/12/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

they closed all fishing and shell fishing in washington

closed hunting units in cali and spring hunts all along the west coast closed.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/news/wdfw-closes-recreational-fishing-statewide-wake-governors-order-stay-home-stay-healthy

closed salmon fishing in columbia river

idk where else. you should all post more links this is my main connection to the world right now. my phone broke and i don't have tv or fb or anything

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    #26596701 - 04/12/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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couple smelts and a herring








Looks like slim catchings. I would throw em back and get something meatier.

Oh yes let me be up front and politically correct right away. Those fish can potentially pass on covid-19. Make sure you cook them extra well done :wink:

See how from the other direction that can be kind of annoying? Yes but anyway if you do not pay attention I am going to post constant death stat updates to scare you into being careful :smirk:

Glad you had fun today :thumbup:




thanks man. yeah they been slowing down this last week these guys been coming in chasing em into the shallow parts

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    #26596775 - 04/12/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)




While I don't think the entire thing is a shame I do think the vultures will
capitalize on any ability to seize power and not give it up ever.
All these new regulations and tracking are now the norm and will be till the collapse of the current society.


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    #26596800 - 04/12/20 10:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

A yes ye old report thine neighbor, literally seen people calling for peoples death for getting caught camping out in the middle of nowhere lmao


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While I don't think the entire thing is a shame I do think the vultures will
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All these new regulations and tracking are now the norm and will be till the collapse of the current society.




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    #26596859 - 04/12/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Don't know about everyone else but the at support is partly due to a desire to give the trail a break from constant foot traffic.


The maintenance volunteers probably appreciate the break too.


I'm sure it's a mixed bag for towns like Damascus. On one hand there will be extremely limited spread of the virus into those small towns. On the other hand that's gotta hurt their economy.

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    #26596927 - 04/12/20 11:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

where the hell has FEMA been this whole time? haven't we been in a national emergency for a while? why haven't they told anyone to beready.gov ?
what happened to all those flyers about basic supplies and

"warning: the federal government has determined that your community is at risk of the following catastrophes:
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- civil disturbance
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    #26596989 - 04/13/20 12:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Stay inside should be an option. This is suppose to be a free nation. They can't just shut every fucking thing down.


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    #26597026 - 04/13/20 12:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm white and I got a 400k net worth now let me walk in a fucking mountain range!

And let me go back to work, I got more net worth to accrue!

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    #26597040 - 04/13/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I am middle aged now and recently married. All I care about is accrue some more wealth before I have kids and then keep accruing it so that they can have the life I never had. Grew up broke as fuck in a Jehovah's Witness household of hell and insanity.

I do some traveling on Occasion, caught Amoebas and Cholera in south east Asia. Had terrorist start murdering people down the road from me and watched military forces of 3rd world countries roll in and kick their ass and then have Muslims Rioting all over in a mostly christian Nation.

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    #26597053 - 04/13/20 01:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

ye, it can always be a lot worse. congratulations. give them that dream. having a family is what the whole mission is about. love


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    #26597054 - 04/13/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Peoples net worth is not always indicative of what they can spend or what's in their bank account


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    #26597056 - 04/13/20 01:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I am middle aged now and recently married. All I care about is accrue some more wealth before I have kids and then keep accruing it so that they can have the life I never had. .






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    #26597058 - 04/13/20 01:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Peoples net worth is not always indicative of what they can spend or what's in their bank account




i realize this. if he wanted to sell some stuff and buy an acre up in the mountains he definitely could.
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    #26597064 - 04/13/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Peoples net worth is not always indicative of what they can spend or what's in their bank account




I own a half acre in a city with a nice sized house on it. I enjoy my job, when the government lets me go to work.

I look at instructions and drawings all day, that are very hard to understand, to build a new version of a machine, no one has ever really built before, a couple have been built but not one of them yet has actually been 100% completed yet.

I look at the drawings, try to understand them and my work instructions. Sometimes I have to close my eyes and envision them in 3d in my brain because the drawing is very 2d but wants me to build a 3d object.

I have to spend a lot of time on a computer too, researching exactly how to put it together, what parts I need, what metals can be used and not used.

Sometimes I get mad for periods because I can't find the information I am looking for in multiple 2,500 page documents but its rewarding when I finally figure it all out, get back on the machine and put it together.

I often look at another part of the machine that is similar and I see other employees did it all wrong which makes me feel kinda smart because I did something correct that everyone else just couldn't figure out themselves.

I find it kinda fun, sometimes my back will hurt, sometimes I have to work in weird angles.

Sometimes someone that did work that my work connects to is done wrong and I have to remove coatings and re paint things, I have to use extremely dangerous chemicals frequently.

I enjoy it, the responsibility of it all, I don't enjoy most my co workers though lol.

I was fairly content, my only stress was paying off the remaining balance on my property. I have paid it off well over half way from my purchase ammount, and it doubled in value after I bought it and despite the pandemic it continues to rise in value, I guess where I live is the new san fransico or something I really don't know.

I am waiting for my unemployment to be approved, but I just want to go back to work and get better at building these machines, impress my bosses and move up.

I quit my last job for the government 5 months ago to start this new career and then the Chinese Virus went all wack, I would still be working if I stayed at the government job.

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    #26597098 - 04/13/20 01:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If unemployment lets me down for any reason I might just have to fire up my many pressure cookers and go back to my old youthful ways lol.

I got all my old equipment tucked away in a secret area for emergency purposes. Been many years since I have had or felt the need to break a relevant law.


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    #26597112 - 04/13/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Well I am suppose to qualify but I think I made a mistake so I submitted one of those hey I made a mistake things so I hope my small error blows over and they give it to me.

Until my work re opens I am not making money.

They were paying us at first while we were home but then the shutdowns got extended and the company was like we can't just pay you all for months to just sit at home.


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    #26597117 - 04/13/20 02:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Unemployment is solely for the lucky




not sure what you mean. i do know that if you are worth $400,000 you are the wealthiest 1% in the world though


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    #26597123 - 04/13/20 02:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

oh shit they changed it. you're almost there bud

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    #26597125 - 04/13/20 02:27 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Interestingly, Americans do not have to be extremely wealthy, in order to claim a spot among that 1%. A $32,400 annual income will easily place American school teachers, registered nurses, and other modestly-salaried individuals, among the global 1% of earners.

Contrarily, the top 1% of wage earners strictly in the United States must pull in at least $421,926 to make the cut.




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    #26597353 - 04/13/20 07:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Don't know about everyone else but the at support is partly due to a desire to give the trail a break from constant foot traffic.




Where did you hear that? I talked to someone I know on the ATC council when this was all starting because I was planning a NH/VT/MA section, they said they'd likely be closing to protect the trail towns and prevent huge outbreaks at the crowded shelters, campsites, and hostels, which seems like a pretty common sense thing to do.

Trail maintainers will have our work cut out for us either way when a lot of trails will be full of blow downs and fully grown in by mid summer since there's no one hiking them and AFAIK there's no exception for trail maintainers entering the parks in the meantime. The trail I plan on working on will probably be a 3 day project that I'll need to camp out for, it's a wilderness area so now power saws allowed and it's a narrow trail that grows in fast. The good thing I guess is that there will probably be a lot of people available and eager to volunteer and clear trails again once this is over.


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    #26598208 - 04/13/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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It's really not some big conspiracy

Everyone on wilderness rescue crews, park rangers, people who do trail maintenance etc have been urging the government to shut stuff down since last month, in NH and Maine at least but Im guessing all over

My buddy in Maine says locals up there are going to trailheads and trashing cars of the hikers with out of state plates. Pretty fucked up, but I cant really blame them when these same cars are coming from highly infected areas (NY, MA) and also stopping at local stores and gas stations, and maybe even needing to get carried out of the woods because no one seems to understand it's still winter on the summits.

Imo it's pretty careless and selfish during a deadly viral pandemic to hike anywhere you can't call a friend or something to come help you get out if you twist an ankle or worse. One freak accident, which happen all the time, and you're forcing 8-12 people to come bail you out and be seriously at risk, because many are first responders and may currently be carriers. I hike 200+ miles a year and have had enough close calls even on easy terrain to know it's best to just stick to local and more mellow trails.

Social distancing is not really the issue in most places, although as I said before it's literally destroying the trail because it's mud season and people are widening the trail to make way when passing others, and destroying the super fragile alpine tundra on the summits to have more space to get their selfies





I wasn't super serious about the "conspiracy" comment...but when the gov starts saying I'm not allowed to buy seeds or plants or grow my own food, and that I'm not allowed to go fishing or hunting, and that I'm not allowed to go walk out in the wilderness...I start to feel a bit weird about the whole thing. I understand some of the reasons, but :shrug: .


And I'm not talking about going on a multi-day back packing trips deep into the back country...Trails in the backcountry/wilderness in my area are buried beneath 10ft to 25ft+ feet of snow right now anyway.

But going on day hikes in general...I'm still going to continue to go on hikes regardless if there are signs saying the area is closed. I'm not putting my self or anyone else at risk. I'm not damaging the trails by walking on them (we don't have a "mud" season around here), and the trails and areas I go to aren't crowded (I'm one that avoids people, I always have lol, I tend to go to areas where there won't likely be anyone else around). 

Come summer time, even if this is still going on, I plan on going backpacking/camping out in the wilderness.





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    #26598413 - 04/13/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

don't have kids. fuck please don't. adopt.

kids need lots of love and attention and i think the world may be  a better place if people didn't have kids for selfish reasons and gave them more love and attention especially between ages 0-18.
money does not make a better world.
it all starts with food. i dream of permaculture and solar panels and floating gardens made of recycled cars and bottles and microfarms and beautiful wild open spaces everywhere filled with native food plants and wildlife

you all destroy fucking everything though. there's really no point. do whatever who fucking gives a shit. im sick of picking up all your shit on the clack and puttin signs up telling you to clean up your camp sites in the mountains. fuck the nuEuroCali non culture stop destroying everything

"waaaaaaaah i wanna go fuck up the mountains but I didn't get permission so I'm gonna stay home and be afraid and angry :crankey:"
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    #26598435 - 04/13/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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    #26598475 - 04/13/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

correct me if i'm wrong but I'm pretty sure



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    #26598477 - 04/13/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Reddit. When they were asking people not to go. Before they started actually closing down.

I know some parts of the trail do get quite eroded so it makes sense to me.



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    #26598499 - 04/13/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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correct me if i'm wrong but I'm pretty sure








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    #26598505 - 04/13/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

they're gonna fuck it all up for everyone. it hasn't even been a month yet

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    #26598523 - 04/13/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Heyo I just got some arugula seedlings started too! Also got my eggplant and some cayenne pepper started.

I'm waiting on some better soil mix this week, all I had was some old shit, mostly curious to see if it germinates. I have to wait till the weekend before I can get everything started, as I've got a bit of a drive out to my folk's house in the country in 4 days, and I have a big ass dog, a big ass suitcase, and a teeny tiny coupe.


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    #26598630 - 04/13/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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They closed the entire mountain range. You can't go to a fucking 150 year old ghost town that is a multi mile hike to get to. The only option left is to do something stupid.



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I am middle aged now and recently married. All I care about is accrue some more wealth before I have kids and then keep accruing it so that they can have the life I never had.




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I own a half acre in a city with a nice sized house on it.

I was fairly content, my only stress was paying off the remaining balance on my property. I have paid it off well over half way from my purchase ammount, and it doubled in value after I bought it and despite the pandemic it continues to rise in value, I guess where I live is the new san fransico or something I really don't know.

I am waiting for my unemployment to be approved, but I just want to go back to work and get better at building these machines, impress my bosses




so you're probably either at intel, boeing, or pcp?
people like you are the reason it's the new san fransisco. you guys flooding in over the last 10-20 years has fucking destroyed everything. damascus area was so beautiful. now it's all your wanna-be-rich white people. after rereading your thread i have lost most of my sympathy for you. actually, im pretty jealous of you. have no idea how spoiled you are.

you make some good points but you seem very selfish. you live in my home, the greenest valley in the world. you don't actually give a fuck you're just an upper-middle-whatever class (all that matters is my money class) spoiled middle aged white man who feels entitled to everything.

stay in the city grow a garden. get chickens. grow all that shit you can't get at the store



people like you are the main reason the rest of the state despises everything west of the mountains. you're selfish and you destroy everything




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don't have kids. fuck please don't. adopt.

kids need lots of love and attention and i think the world may be  a better place if people didn't have kids for selfish reasons and gave them more love and attention especially between ages 0-18.
money does not make a better world.
it all starts with food. i dream of permaculture and solar panels and floating gardens made of recycled cars and bottles and microfarms and beautiful wild open spaces everywhere filled with native food plants and wildlife

you all destroy fucking everything though. there's really no point. do whatever who fucking gives a shit. im sick of picking up all your shit on the clack and puttin signs up telling you to clean up your camp sites in the mountains. fuck the nuEuroCali non culture stop destroying everything

"waaaaaaaah i wanna go fuck up the mountains but I didn't get permission so I'm gonna stay home and be afraid and angry :crankey:"
-slave

quit bein a spoiled brat and do something that benefits somebody other than you. grow some plants and birds to eat. do good to your neighbors




These trails here I have hiked my whole life, I leave them the way they are. Haven't been to the Ice Caves since I was 6 years old and want to do that this summer, I hope they're open by then.


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    #26598643 - 04/13/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My last hiking adventure before the pandemic hit was hiking to an abandoned insane asylum, though after hiking to it I found out you could drive right up to it lol. Took some interesting photos, here are a few I took.



You can't actually get into the facility but I was able to squeeze my body into it through windows and such to take picture s that looks like I was inside when I really wasn't or wasn't completely however I saw these chairs in a courtyard, they looked awfully clean for a building u can't get in and has been abandoned for over 50? years Like people been meeting there.



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    #26598677 - 04/13/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

that's pretty cool. there's all kinda of crazy shit out there. i detest Portland sorry for being a dick. oregon broke my heart. every time i go home i get fucking pissed. the land and the water and the animals could really use a year without people fucking everything up in the pnw
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    #26598681 - 04/13/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

the valleys are thrashed. the rivers are dead. nothing is sustainable


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My last hiking adventure before the pandemic hit was hiking to an abandoned insane asylum, though after hiking to it I found out you could drive right up to it lol. Took some interesting photos, here are a few I took.



You can't actually get into the facility but I was able to squeeze my body into it through windows and such to take picture s that looks like I was inside when I really wasn't or wasn't completely however I saw these chairs in a courtyard, they looked awfully clean for a building u can't get in and has been abandoned for over 50? years Like people been meeting there.






Ooooohhhh very cool. That would be a trip walking around one of those.

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    #26598696 - 04/13/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Gotta be careful with stereotypes man.


I feel your pain for how development and inconsiderate people trash beautiful places too though.



Everest has gotten alot of attention in that regard lately but honestly it's a tale as old as time. Man's time anyway. I live near the great dismal swamp and it's not nearly as great as it once was because early Americans, founding fathers included, didn't like it.


But luckily they couldn't entirely "tame it" and have it converted into farm land either. Nor could it be turned into a tourist attraction.



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    #26598709 - 04/13/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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My last hiking adventure before the pandemic hit was hiking to an abandoned insane asylum, though after hiking to it I found out you could drive right up to it lol. Took some interesting photos, here are a few I took.



You can't actually get into the facility but I was able to squeeze my body into it through windows and such to take picture s that looks like I was inside when I really wasn't or wasn't completely however I saw these chairs in a courtyard, they looked awfully clean for a building u can't get in and has been abandoned for over 50? years Like people been meeting there.






Ooooohhhh very cool. That would be a trip walking around one of those.

You should spend a night there solo. Tripping.




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    #26598712 - 04/13/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Gotta be careful with stereotypes man.


I feel your pain for how development and inconsiderate people trash beautiful places too though.



Everest has gotten alot of attention in that regard lately but honestly it's a tale as old as time. Man's time anyway. I live near the great dismal swamp and it's not nearly as great as it once was because early Americans, founding fathers included, didn't like it.


But luckily they couldn't entirely "tame it" and have it converted into farm land either. Nor could it be turned into a tourist attraction.



I'm not happy people are being denied nature right now but I am happy nature is being given a break from us.




ye. it sucks. it doesn't have to be like this. people who only care about money suck.


if you have half an acre of land in the pnw there is no excuse not to be producing food. fuck the system. it starts in your yard. you can grow almost anything where you are.
a stronger country/society/chance of having any fucking freedom at all starts when your chickens start laying. turn your veggie scraps into mealworms and crickets. compost everything.
dozen laying hens and a couple hazelnut, walnut, pear, apple, plum trees you'll be feeding the whole neighborhood

government said can't buy no more seeds to grow?

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    #26598723 - 04/13/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:lol: When I occasionally watch those ghost hunters shows and they go the allegedly haunted mental hospitals I always wonder to myself if I could make it through a night completely by myself

Armed with only a flashlight

I don't even think I believe in ghosts necessarily (although I don't rule it out completely) but it would still be extremely freaky being in a place like that by yourself at night for an extended period of time


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The air in there smelt toxic, you'd probably die and before you do you'd hallucinate from the toxic mold gases lol


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    #26598773 - 04/13/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

yeeeahhh, between the asbestos and the probable hobos who may not take too kindly to visitors, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.


I remember I explored a crumbling old stone house once I found deep in the woods, no roads went to it, my friends and I found it on horseback when we were teenagers. We got in there and the place look like a bomb had hit it..old clothes and possessions everywhere - sometime from the early 20th century, the building had a few hundred years though, one of those old stone farmhouses all over PA. It was fascinating, and in retrospect, very dangerous and stupid, as the whole house looked almost ripped in half from the outside.


Later that week we got an earful from my friend's parents who owned the land we kept the horses at. I'm assuming it was a neighbor who called them or something, but I never found out - I guess someone was watching us and saw us go in. Idk who, one of my friends stayed outside of the house to watch the horses, and we were deep in the woods, no other civilization in sight.


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I remember I explored a crumbling old stone house once I found deep in the woods, no roads went to it, my friends and I found it on horseback when we were teenagers. We got in there and the place look like a bomb had hit it..old clothes and possessions everywhere - sometime from the early 20th century. It was fascinating, and in retrospect, very dangerous and stupid, as the whole house looked almost ripped in half from the outside.







whoa

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    #26598788 - 04/13/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It looked like someone left in a hurry and left everything they owned :shrug:. So weird. I don't think I could find my way back there if I tried.


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    #26598855 - 04/13/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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yeeeahhh, between the asbestos and the probable hobos who may not take too kindly to visitors, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.


I remember I explored a crumbling old stone house once I found deep in the woods, no roads went to it, my friends and I found it on horseback when we were teenagers. We got in there and the place look like a bomb had hit it..old clothes and possessions everywhere - sometime from the early 20th century, the building had a few hundred years though, one of those old stone farmhouses all over PA. It was fascinating, and in retrospect, very dangerous and stupid, as the whole house looked almost ripped in half from the outside.


Later that week we got an earful from my friend's parents who owned the land we kept the horses at. I'm assuming it was a neighbor who called them or something, but I never found out - I guess someone was watching us and saw us go in. Idk who, one of my friends stayed outside of the house to watch the horses, and we were deep in the woods, no other civilization in sight.





When I was 18 I took a bunch of shrooms with some friends and found an old wood building, most the floor was missing on the first floor and it was very decrepit, first step into the building a piece of ply wood instead of regular wood was set on 2 floor beams and it flipped over and I racked my self on the floor beam, got up and wandered around and walked up stairs and saw the most incredible looking painting I had ever seen, I was in awe it was the most beautiful painting never in my life could I imagine something so magnificent it was almost unreal so I went to touch it and I fell through the painting and almost out the window because it was a big open hole in the wall for a window. Thankfully my shins caught on what would be the lower part of the frame for the window and I didn't fall out.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman]
    #26598911 - 04/13/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

OP you are in America?

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When I was 18 I took a bunch of shrooms with some friends and found an old wood building, most the floor was missing on the first floor and it was very decrepit, first step into the building a piece of ply wood instead of regular wood was set on 2 floor beams and it flipped over and I racked my self on the floor beam, got up and wandered around and walked up stairs and saw the most incredible looking painting I had ever seen, I was in awe it was the most beautiful painting never in my life could I imagine something so magnificent it was almost unreal so I went to touch it and I fell through the painting and almost out the window because it was a big open hole in the wall for a window. Thankfully my shins caught on what would be the lower part of the frame for the window and I didn't fall out.




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OP you are in America?

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When I was 18 I took a bunch of shrooms with some friends and found an old wood building, most the floor was missing on the first floor and it was very decrepit, first step into the building a piece of ply wood instead of regular wood was set on 2 floor beams and it flipped over and I racked my self on the floor beam, got up and wandered around and walked up stairs and saw the most incredible looking painting I had ever seen, I was in awe it was the most beautiful painting never in my life could I imagine something so magnificent it was almost unreal so I went to touch it and I fell through the painting and almost out the window because it was a big open hole in the wall for a window. Thankfully my shins caught on what would be the lower part of the frame for the window and I didn't fall out.




:whattefuck2:




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    #26599019 - 04/13/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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And I'm not talking about going on a multi-day back packing trips deep into the back country...Trails in the backcountry/wilderness in my area are buried beneath 10ft to 25ft+ feet of snow right now anyway

But going on day hikes in general...I'm still going to continue to go on hikes regardless if there are signs saying the area is closed. I'm not putting my self or anyone else at risk. I'm not damaging the trails by walking on them (we don't have a "mud" season around here), and the trails and areas I go to aren't crowded (I'm one that avoids people, I always have lol, I tend to go to areas where there won't likely be anyone else around). 

Come summer time, even if this is still going on, I plan on going backpacking/camping out in the wilderness.





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I hear ya, my initial thought when the closures started happening was that it'd be a great time to get into the woods for some day hikes. In NH I grew up in the mountains and know a ton of old fire warden trails and bushwack routes that I could avoid the main parking lots (which are likely closed now), and not see a soul on my way to some awesome summits.

After thinking about it and a lot of discussion with other hikers though, it's just not the time to be out there. If I'm in the woods and have any sort of freak injury or medical emergency, that means a crew of 8-12 people (usually local volunteers in my area) would have to come litter carry me out, which if you've ever witnessed it, is as anti-social distancing as it gets... if one person in that group has the virus then it's pretty much guaranteed that most will have it by the end, and they'll bring it back to their families and communities.

No one ever starts a hike thinking they'll need a rescue, but all it takes is one thing going slightly wrong. I'd be literally risking other people's health and even lives because I felt entitled to break the rules and go play in the woods, and got unlucky with the gamble I took.

The odds of the worst case scenario playing out are somewhat long, but become much less so as more and more people decide to take the same risk, which they will and are. It just seems like the ethical thing right now is to respect what everyone from epidemiologists to park rangers to hiking/trail organizations are urging, and don't take risks that will also put other people at risk.

If there was something I could sign that said "don't rescue me" and go hike I'd be all for it, but that's just not a thing unfortunately.

Hopefully things start getting back to normal soon. I missed out on my AT section hike last year because of an injury, this'll be the last year for a long time that I'll have the time off to give it a go


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Just saw that Hawaii is getting stay at home orders way more strict and getting more crazy with their law enforcement to enforce it,

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    #26606386 - 04/16/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So I go back to work next week, even though my work is not essential and all essential buisnesses are suppose to be still closed for the rest of the month, not really sure why this is being allowed, or if it is legal or if the company is just flexing on the government and knows they won't stop them.

But I just think its stupid, I can't go on a hike, but I can go to work and be close to people building a big ass machine ok. Makes sense thank you governor very cool.


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Hikes are open again yay but now we're doomed with a financial disaster


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman]
    #27383723 - 07/11/21 10:12 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Well the hike that I really want to do, is still by appointment and since its a 4 hour drive I don't want to set an appointment and be late. This is stupid, if I can grocery shop without a mask I don't see why I need a damn appointment to go on a cave hike.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman]
    #27383727 - 07/11/21 10:21 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Wants and needs.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: pineninja]
    #27383741 - 07/11/21 10:45 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

lets rip off our license plates in protest against the bureau motor vehicle being closed.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #27384115 - 07/12/21 08:52 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I bought a car 3 weeks ago and have been driving without plates. Not sure what is taking so damn long to get these damn plates in.


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman]
    #27384411 - 07/12/21 12:20 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

please wait 13 weeks before calling to check on the status of your title application or renewal and registration. thank you


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #27384417 - 07/12/21 12:22 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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please wait 13 weeks before calling to check on the status of your title application or renewal and registration. thank you




:disappoint:


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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman]
    #27384566 - 07/12/21 02:40 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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budmanman said:
Well the hike that I really want to do, is still by appointment and since its a 4 hour drive I don't want to set an appointment and be late. This is stupid, if I can grocery shop without a mask I don't see why I need a damn appointment to go on a cave hike.




Cave hike? Every cave I’ve ever been in has a pretty strict limit to number of visitors


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