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So we can't even go on hikes now? 1
#26594841 - 04/12/20 01:41 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Where do I get my going ousside loicense?
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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman] 3
#26594843 - 04/12/20 01:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I thought Americans had guns to fight off tyranny. Or did all the hardcores already run to their hideouts in the woods?
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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman] 2
#26594844 - 04/12/20 01:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can't even go on Mount Everest right now because of covid
Not from the China side at least
Shit is cray bruh
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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Niffla] 3
#26594845 - 04/12/20 01:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not with that attitude!
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Ahab McBathsalts said: I thought Americans had guns to fight off tyranny. Or did all the hardcores already run to their hideouts in the woods?
we skipped the well regulated part of the constitution so we don't know what to do
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Ahab McBathsalts said: I thought Americans had guns to fight off tyranny. Or did all the hardcores already run to their hideouts in the woods?
I'm here

If you want some come try me
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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Niffla]
#26594849 - 04/12/20 01:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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And yes I have stalls in my bathroom
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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: Niffla] 1
#26594854 - 04/12/20 01:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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My lungs are recovered from having the Corona Virus and I can't go on a fucking hike, but I can go to a local park and walk, but I can't play tennis in the tennis court, but I can walk on the trail, the most populated location of the local park, or is it not allowed and I am just hearing it is? I
I can't go on a fucking joy ride in my own car, but I can walk in a local park? but I can't climb a mountain or camp out in butt fuck no where?
I am expected to not lose my shit and do something drastic?
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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman]
#26594855 - 04/12/20 01:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I can touch a shopping cart and pick my nose. But I can't summit a mountain.
I am immune to the virus now, I should be allowed to do what ever the fuck I want.
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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman]
#26594856 - 04/12/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is where the inevitable social discord will go.
Those that have had the virus or are otherwise healthy will want to open up the economy, go back to work, get on with it.
Old and frail people are stuck inside crippling the economy. But generally old people have more money and show up to vote more often.
So how many people to can you let die to save the majority of people from crippling financial burdens for a generation. Nassem Taleb has a great series of books about fragility of systems and random events. Although he doesn't directly address today's pandemic he makes the case that supporting a fragile system instead of letting parts of it fail inherently make the entire system more fragile in the future (in this case by adding 20Trillion dollars of debt to the US Federal debt), instead of letting a million people die and compromising civil liberties in previously un-thought ways for the next 100 years.
Neither option is very good. Both are fucking terrible in fact. But sometimes the system is worth more than the individual. Or those that feel they are being oppressed can rise up against it.
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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman] 3
#26594882 - 04/12/20 02:20 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Where do I get my going ousside loicense?

Oh thats coming... you're gonna need an app on your phone that proves you are vaccine compliant in order to travel anywhere and all movement will be controlled by the state.
Heres a temp solution...

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/10/police-officer-tells-man-cannot-sit-front-garden-12537093/
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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: HappySloth]
#26594892 - 04/12/20 02:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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There are 4 main solutions that I see.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26592519#26592519
Electronic tracking of every individual
Mass testing of every person every 14 days (22 million tests per day)
No decision and rolling shut downs until a vaccine can be deployed without the capacity to do either mass testing or political support for surveillance in any effective way. Sadly I think this is the mostly likely, and most economic damaging. (20 Trillion added to federal debt)
Or infection rates are 10x what the reported numbers and herd immunity is only a couple months away. You open everything up, let the old people die and hopefully the hospitals don't get too overwhelmed. (18 Million deaths globally)
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If you jut let the virus go unchecked more than the old people will die. Everyone that needs medical intervention will die. We can’t handle 40 million people requiring hospitalization to survive in a three month period. We have ~200,000 ICU beds. The mortality rate will be +10%.
If OP has really been infected, I predict within a month we will have commercially available antibody tests and hopefully a way to certify and allow the immune to resume normal activity.
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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: budmanman] 1
#26594899 - 04/12/20 02:41 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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budmanman said: I can touch a shopping cart and pick my nose. But I can't summit a mountain.
I am immune to the virus now, I should be allowed to do what ever the fuck I want.
As far as I know, all National Parks are open.
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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: koods]
#26594904 - 04/12/20 02:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm assuming the actual infection rate is about 10x the poasted numbers because systemic problems with a lack of testing. This implies a much lower hospitalization rate, death rate and a quicker path to herd immunity. Hard hit areas like New York might be as much as 25% of the 70% required for herd immunity. Still not great, but could be over before you know it.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1267405/coronavirus-herd-immunity-europe-death-toll-covid-19-germany-angela-merkel
But the information changes so fast it is hard to make a decision, let alone make the correct decision. That's why I'm thinking the third option of indecision and a lack of policy will be the official policy in the USA and Canada at least.
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Off topic a little but thought I read that Charlotte from the cbd canna strain Charlottes web died from covid. Poor girl, managed to get some sibilance of a life back from her seizures to end up Getting killed off by a virus. Terribly sad
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Re: So we can't even go on hikes now? [Re: koods]
#26594927 - 04/12/20 03:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said:
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budmanman said: I can touch a shopping cart and pick my nose. But I can't summit a mountain.
I am immune to the virus now, I should be allowed to do what ever the fuck I want.
As far as I know, all National Parks are open.
National parks are closed, state parks are closed. No where in my state is open at all and here is a random article I googled to show u a closed national park
https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/news/public-health-update.htm
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And don't get me wrong. I like my overweight, diabetic cousin, and my old grandma and all those people. I don't wish death for anyone.
I am saying that propping up a fragile system makes it more inherently fragile and kicks the can down a bit, but makes the overall outcomes much worse.
If you use the war analogy that the politicians love to use these days, we once sent the boys and young men to die in war to prevent the tyranny of fascism. Now we are asking the old people and sickly to be willing to die to prevent mass surveillance and government sponsored oppression, crippling financial burdens for the next generation.
I don't think people are estimating how much the financial burdens are going to be. The USA has spent 25% of their GDP in one month on bailouts(4.2T) If you have 18 months of this shit, it would be cheaper for the government to buy every fucking private asset. Like the total market cap for all the S&P500 companies is only 21T. You could literally buy every fucking major company in the USA for the price that this is going to cost. Apple, Microsoft, Disney, Amazon, Facebook, Exonmobile, McDonalds, everything owned by the government. It is an underestimated tail risk right now.
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The funniest fucking part is 3 weeks ago all state and national parks were fucking free to promote social distancing and now they're fucking closed,
Michigan made it illegal to buy fucking seeds to grow for fucking food lmao.
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