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Criticise my tea or my potency please * 1
    #26594585 - 04/11/20 11:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Alright, the internet loves criticism. So line up.
Trying to see where I went wrong yesterday.
- Cut up cracker dry P.subaeroguinosa with a knife
- soaked in lime juice (1hr)
- Boiled ginger tea. Simmered shrooms in it (20mins)
- Sieved shrooms
For 2g dose got to about level 1-2. (if you're not familiar with subs pls don't comment on dose, these are not cubes!) So I've either lost potency through my method or they have degraded over time.
My understanding was that dried shrooms should basically last a good while.
My tea is normally fine, but next time I'm thinking of
- I will grind/chop shrooms much finer
- Soak in tea for ages, like an hour
- Squeeze the shit out of the shrooms through the sieve.

Any other thoughts?

Thankfully, have just hit a fresh patch and so three hours later went for a redose had a delish sauteed shroom on toast and a delicious trip.


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Re: Criticise my tea or my potency please [Re: billyrubin]
    #26594618 - 04/11/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think  P.subaeroguinosa isn't very potent. I cant remember exactly. So that's the main part in m opinion.

Try simmering the shrooms for 45mins in the water/juice next time. Should help. Also try to squeeze the juices out of the shroom juice.

Have you tried a shroom smoothie yet?


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Re: Criticise my tea or my potency please [Re: billyrubin] * 1
    #26594792 - 04/12/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Could be a few things at play dude. If the mushrooms were stored cracker dry, in a sealed container in the fridge or freezer, they’ll last for years with no loss of potency. Also you only need to boil for ten minutes, so it’s not that either.

What did jump out at me was the use of lime juice in the tea; never tried lime, I always use lemon juice and once used orange juice. The tea from orange was such a strange trip compared to with lemon......

Other things to consider; did you have tolerance from a recent trip? Had you eaten a decent meal within a couple of hours of taking the tea? Are you on any medications, such as SSRIs?

And then. There is the natural variance of potency in organic mushrooms; maybe you were real unlucky and made tea from weak mushrooms.

Good luck
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Re: Criticise my tea or my potency please [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26594876 - 04/12/20 02:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Cheers man. P. Subs is very very potent (2g=level 3/4). Sweet, I'll give a longer bath time a go.

Smoothie sounds tasty!


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Re: Criticise my tea or my potency please [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26594881 - 04/12/20 02:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Could be a few things at play dude. If the mushrooms were stored cracker dry, in a sealed container in the fridge or freezer, they’ll last for years with no loss of potency. Also you only need to boil for ten minutes, so it’s not that either.

What did jump out at me was the use of lime juice in the tea; never tried lime, I always use lemon juice and once used orange juice. The tea from orange was such a strange trip compared to with lemon......

Other things to consider; did you have tolerance from a recent trip? Had you eaten a decent meal within a couple of hours of taking the tea? Are you on any medications, such as SSRIs?

And then. There is the natural variance of potency in organic mushrooms; maybe you were real unlucky and made tea from weak mushrooms.

Good luck
DJ Ed




Cheers dude. No meds. We'd been for a massive bike ride so had a bit to eat 1hr before hand, but definitely not a huge meal.
Yeah,possibly variance in that batch as we'd multiple patches going into that 2019 crop.
We probably should aim to harvest them in separate batches thus coming season.


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Re: Criticise my tea or my potency please [Re: billyrubin]
    #26594894 - 04/12/20 02:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

One way to remove variance within a flush is to process the entire flush; a lot of people advocate grinding the dried mushrooms up into powder, then storing in (00) capsules, giving approx 0.5g per capsule. Once you know the strength of that batch, you will be able to predict the strength of all trips from that same batch.

But I am heading towards PrimalSoup’s method (here) whereby you make a tea from the fresh crop, then freeze into bottles or ice cube trays (sealed from oxygen).


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Re: Criticise my tea or my potency please [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26594914 - 04/12/20 02:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I think  P.subaeroguinosa isn't very potent




Erm, they're almost on a par with Psilocybe azurescens. Woodlovers are significantly more potent that cubensis mushrooms.


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Re: Criticise my tea or my potency please [Re: Boarders]
    #26594941 - 04/12/20 03:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/12514/Psilocybe-subaeruginascens

:whattefuck2:

You're right, it is quite potent. I was wrong!  I think I was thinking of Pan Subbs: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10743118

My bad!


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Re: Criticise my tea or my potency please [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26594970 - 04/12/20 03:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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One way to remove variance within a flush is to process the entire flush; a lot of people advocate grinding the dried mushrooms up into powder, then storing in (00) capsules, giving approx 0.5g per capsule. Once you know the strength of that batch, you will be able to predict the strength of all trips from that same batch.

But I am heading towards PrimalSoup’s method (here) whereby you make a tea from the fresh crop, then freeze into bottles or ice cube trays (sealed from oxygen).




Interesting. I'm sorta hesitant on both of these things. My understanding was that grinding up shrooms speeds up break down of actives. Works sweet if people are going to use them quickly, but if you hung onto them for a year they'll be weak.

I tried freezing cubes once upon a time with truffles and they were totally inactivated.

I've gone a bit gunshy I think!


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Re: Criticise my tea or my potency please [Re: billyrubin]
    #26594984 - 04/12/20 03:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I’ve struggled recently trying diffeeent storage methods; I’ve had success for years just drying to cracker dry, storing in freezer in sealed containers, making tea with lemon juice. But have had some really strange trips I can only put down to variability in a harvest. Suppose if I can isolate a strain on agar to the point where it is effectively homogenised, then there’ll be no issues over . Just want to be able to store fresh.......

I too have heard that grinding the mushrooms into powder accelerates the degrading, because so much more surface area is exposed to oxygen. So the process is get them quickly into capsules, then seal in airtight containers. Apparently they stay potent for years.

I recently destroyed a couple of crops by freezing, but then not storing them in the freezer in sealed containers; apparently the oxygen can still degrade the chemicals very quickly when they’re frozen!

I want to be able to store fresh mushrooms long term, as trips from fresh are always 10x better than from dry. So until I perfect my freezing fresh tea method, I’ll be drying half of each harvest, just in case......


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Re: Criticise my tea or my potency please [Re: billyrubin]
    #26595033 - 04/12/20 04:27 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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billyrubin said:
Quote:

DJ Ed said:
One way to remove variance within a flush is to process the entire flush; a lot of people advocate grinding the dried mushrooms up into powder, then storing in (00) capsules, giving approx 0.5g per capsule. Once you know the strength of that batch, you will be able to predict the strength of all trips from that same batch.

But I am heading towards PrimalSoup’s method (here) whereby you make a tea from the fresh crop, then freeze into bottles or ice cube trays (sealed from oxygen).




Interesting. I'm sorta hesitant on both of these things. My understanding was that grinding up shrooms speeds up break down of actives. Works sweet if people are going to use them quickly, but if you hung onto them for a year they'll be weak.

I tried freezing cubes once upon a time with truffles and they were totally inactivated.

I've gone a bit gunshy I think!




Shrooms, generally, imo, shouldn’t be ground until someone plans to be consuming that particular batch. However, if ground and stored properly (in capsules then in an airtight container) there should be no loss of potency. I ended up grinding And encapsulating a few of my batches. One of them has sat for almost a year as I’ve had other grows in the meantime and I always wanted to test the new ones. When I had the year old capsules recently, there was no loss of potency (and this was a particularly potent batch I grew).

I suggest taking 20-40g dry (depending on your capsule machine, mine does 12 at a time so I grind up in batches of 12) and grind them up, encapsulate, store in an airtight container and experiment to see for yourself how long they last. As mentioned above, the great thing about this is the consistency of dose.


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Re: Criticise my tea or my potency please [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26595073 - 04/12/20 05:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think it may be down to lockdown boredom setting in. But the last week I’ve been considering an alcohol extraction! It sounds like a really convenient way to store psilocybin and psilocin, but I still don’t see how it can be as nice as a trip from fresh. Unless of course you do the alcohol extraction with fresh mushroom material, not dried.....


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