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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: feevers]
    #26593702 - 04/11/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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That isn’t a mathematical or logical argument it’s just pure speculation at best and the actual math doesn’t support it.




Understanding a base reality through math and physics could be the same as a video AI learning the code of the game it's in, its knowledge would then be limited to the code of said game, which may have no resemblance to the "code" in the human world of its creators. It would still feel as if it had mapped all of reality, when it had only learned to understand some of the code its creators designed

The whole point of the theory is not that most people actually believe it, but that it can't be disproven by anyone that actually grasps the concept.

I prefer interface theory far more though



The concept is simple to grasp but it’s not supported by evidence. It’s just a thought experiment. Lie solipsism (actually this argument is just a different flavor of solipsism).

As for whether it matters, well us being in a simulation would lead to nihilism just like if you believed in solipsism.


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: HappySloth] * 1
    #26593774 - 04/11/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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HappySloth said:The Fibonacci sequence appears in nature because it represents structures and sequences that model physical reality. ... When the underlying mechanism that puts components together to form a spiral they naturally conform to that numeric sequence.



One could say that even in places where the fibonacci sequence is not present, organisms are growing according to physical properties of the Universe. Rather than saying the organisms are a reflection of some underlying model of physical reality, I think it's more appropriate to say that organisms are bound by physical reality.

The fibonacci sequence is prevalent in nature, but it's often said to be core in some way to the Universes "code". I generally disagree with this, and many mathematical models are present throughout nature, and each one is as such because we've gone out of our way to apply a mathematical model to natural elements.

When it comes to the fibonacci sequence, or any sprialing sequence found in nature, there is a pretty compelling reason why organisms tend to evolve to grow within those ratios. It's not necessarily that they do so to reflect some underlying nature of the Universe (in a contextual sense - in another sense entirely all things do this by the very nature of existing in the first place within the boundaries of Universe and what's possible), but because growing in these ratios helps with survival.

Most flowers form spirals, some very close to the fibonacci sequence, because it allows the plant to fit as many seeds into as small a space as possible with as few resources as possible. This self fulfilling survival of the fittest mechanism allows the plant to continue growing closer and closer to certain sequence variations with each successful reproduction.

Snails as well are able to fit more organ mass into a smaller (protected) space due to the nature of this geometry. The direction which the shells center grows out towards also determines their ability to mate, as a left pointing shell cannot mate with a right pointing shell. This increases genetic diversity among snails with peculiar shell shapes, and also makes mating difficult without a compatible shell. The lack of the ability to mate if endowed with a faulty shell may have led their shells to evolve into more and more mathematically accurate spirals as generations have gone by.

Hurricanes and galaxies might form into fibonacci spirals because the weight of the outside layer above an inside one is often dense enough to contain the air or stars within it.


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: 1234go]
    #26593967 - 04/11/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm pretty fascinated with the whole "matrix/simulation" theory.  It's certainly interesting, but that being said...

Those dancing plant videos have been around for a bit now.  It's just someone with some fishing line, a camera, and some time to kill.  :shrug:




Ha, fishing line. Good one. Show me the frames showing the fishing line and I'll believe that one.

Niffla, many ghost reports are of ghosts doing repeated behaviours such as walking up the stairs for example. Its gotta be some kind of looping time-glitch.....


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla]
    #26593981 - 04/11/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Are optical illusions actually Universal brain glitches?


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26593992 - 04/11/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm pretty fascinated with the whole "matrix/simulation" theory.  It's certainly interesting, but that being said...

Those dancing plant videos have been around for a bit now.  It's just someone with some fishing line, a camera, and some time to kill.  :shrug:




Ha, fishing line. Good one. Show me the frames showing the fishing line and I'll believe that one.

Niffla, many ghost reports are of ghosts doing repeated behaviours such as walking up the stairs for example. Its gotta be some kind of looping time-glitch.....




Thing is you can’t which is the point of the fishing line, some are that fine you can’t see them. But it’s an old trick. Also optical illusions just show how flawed our senses are which sort of defeats the point of using sensory data to prove the “matrix”.

Also ghosts are fake.


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26594019 - 04/11/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ghosts, or apparitions only appear within the mind.

In exactly the same way as when on a psychedelic and a semi-corporeal light form based entity hallucination appears. Unreal and absent in the objective world, but perceptually apparent with the senses.

The babes think it’s real and objective and intrinsically existing, and believe it is something when it’s really nothing.


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26594024 - 04/11/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ghosts are real and theres electromagnetic and static electricity trace evidence to back it up.

Since ghosts are 99% invisible, they are very hard to study. An example of how a ghost appears on video (pixilated/disorted):


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26594036 - 04/11/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

using things we don’t fully understand to explain things we think we understand is why we often misunderstand somethings nature, like the phenomena of apparition.  Let’s fight :keyboardwarrior:  :crabstyle: :heart:


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26594103 - 04/11/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Well I mean we do understand the tech we use to “detect” such things but the evidence he cites isn’t proof of ghosts. These nubs think using techy equipment makes them official or correct but it doesn’t. There is no proof ghosts exist and it’s usually just a trick or the senses people blow up into a grand story that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.

I mean people though the mentally ill were possessed by demons and spirits and tried to “exorcise” them but all they really did was physically abuse folks.


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26594144 - 04/11/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Using specialized device or instrument, and understanding them and what they do is different.  Someone who does vs somehow who doesn’t has a likelier chance of not misattributing measurements, recordings, and whatnot to unrelated phenomena-  ex. often erroneously believing correlation to be causation.  Ex. I can know how to use a keyboard and a mouse to function via windows 10, but that is different from understanding how that pc functions, and I would still not understand it.  Heh not a great example, but I hope it illustrates my point.

If you slip datura seeds into someone’s soup and they are oblivious - ie. Don’t know of drugs and have no mental reference to them or their potential to alter the central nervous system, and have never experienced any altered states that they can discern as altered, and they have hallucinations several hours later whilst going about their business as usual, the chances of them misinterpreting hallucinations of people who appear to be in their field of vision  - but are absent in tangentiality from space-time-  as a “real” living person is high.

essentially becoming beguiled by their experience via not understanding it.


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26594164 - 04/11/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I guess what I mean is that these “ghost hunters” don’t know what their instruments mean and take those readings to be something they aren’t. It’s kind of funny but at some point you gotta let go of the dream. Makes good TV so I doubt it will go


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26594169 - 04/11/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah. True.  By doing so they miss on what I believe it a magnificent opportunity to understand the nature of the mind, and by extension about the nature of reality by means of negative inference. The dream is that the dream is real, familiarity with that realization from that is liberating.

It can be absent by quantifiable methods, yet apparent to organisms experientially, making illusions a real phenomena.  I find them close to magical in quality.


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26594210 - 04/11/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The mind doesn’t exist.

Also I wouldn’t posit it being a dream unless I knew if there was “something else”


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26594216 - 04/11/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

True, it has no intrinsic existence, but in our dimension experience, it’s obviously apparent and perceptible...hence its nature being likened to magical illusion.


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26594223 - 04/11/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Well I mean that much of what is thought to be the mind has been found to be the brain recently. Hence there being no “mind”. Even the experience of self-hood is tied to the brain, it’s not something that “exists”.

Though I still prefer to believe in selves since it’s the only thing keeping me from being a psychopath


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26594379 - 04/11/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Like The Matrix or somethin.

Hey Logic get your ass in here, this is your expertise 

I'm watching some show called Paranormal Caught on Camera and they showed some videos taken by people where there appears to be...like real life glitching.







Like this jetliner in Dallas that appears to be stuck



And then this dog that appears on pause until the owner touches him/her



:ohshitman:

:feelsweirdman:







the Animatrix has one of the most realistic/plausible scenarios, imo, presented in the story "The Race" or something similar.

Dark City also had an interesting concept.


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Tulipslave]
    #26594382 - 04/11/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

That was great!


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26594408 - 04/11/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Well I mean we do understand the tech we use to “detect” such things but the evidence he cites isn’t proof of ghosts. These nubs think using techy equipment makes them official or correct but it doesn’t. There is no proof ghosts exist and it’s usually just a trick or the senses people blow up into a grand story that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.

I mean people though the mentally ill were possessed by demons and spirits and tried to “exorcise” them but all they really did was physically abuse folks.




If you want to measure the strange energies, but a TriField Meter. I know I will be in the future.

I think the best evidence that the Universe is a Simulation is Quantum Physics. Quantum Physics is very bizarre. It doesn't make sense but yet the scientific observations seen say that's whats going on.

Take Wave-Particle Duality: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mod1.html

How can a wave be both a wave and a particle, at the same time? How can it switch back and forth from wave to particle? That should be impossible. But its totally possible and is happening right now.

Its my theory that the reason why they are both at the same time is because the wave is a wave in another dimension while being a particle in this dimension. And it keeps switching back and forth at an extremely high "refresh rate".

Could explain ghost sightings and paranormal experiences (phantom touching). Their matter is mostly in another dimension but yet the ghost is part of our dimension just slightly, which is why we pick them up on various electromagnetic recording instruments.


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26594430 - 04/11/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Well I mean we do understand the tech we use to “detect” such things but the evidence he cites isn’t proof of ghosts. These nubs think using techy equipment makes them official or correct but it doesn’t. There is no proof ghosts exist and it’s usually just a trick or the senses people blow up into a grand story that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.

I mean people though the mentally ill were possessed by demons and spirits and tried to “exorcise” them but all they really did was physically abuse folks.




If you want to measure the strange energies, but a TriField Meter. I know I will be in the future.

I think the best evidence that the Universe is a Simulation is Quantum Physics. Quantum Physics is very bizarre. It doesn't make sense but yet the scientific observations seen say that's whats going on.

Take Wave-Particle Duality: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mod1.html

How can a wave be both a wave and a particle, at the same time? How can it switch back and forth from wave to particle? That should be impossible. But its totally possible and is happening right now.

Its my theory that the reason why they are both at the same time is because the wave is a wave in another dimension while being a particle in this dimension. And it keeps switching back and forth at an extremely high "refresh rate".

Could explain ghost sightings and paranormal experiences (phantom touching). Their matter is mostly in another dimension but yet the ghost is part of our dimension just slightly, which is why we pick them up on various electromagnetic recording instruments.




An example of how to get everything wrong at once.

Wave particle duality isn’t proof of a simulation. As I have said before there is 0 evidence that we are in one and you can’t prove something is a simulation while inside it. If anything it disproves or is strong evidence against it.

Also those videos are just optical illusions. The video would have been proof of it if they weren’t in a moving vehicle.


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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26594435 - 04/11/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Wave particle duality isn’t proof of a simulation. As I have said before there is 0 evidence that we are in one and you can’t prove something is a simulation while inside it. If anything it disproves or is strong evidence against it.







i generally don't hold beliefs, but one thing that has generally proven true, time and again, is that a part can't ever fathom the whole.


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