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InvisibleThomsen
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Selling mycelium commercially
    #26593519 - 04/11/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys.

I'm starting a buisness where i'm selling mycelium from different species to grow at home.
Right now i'm cultivation on rye grains but i find that the smaller dealers that are in my country is cultivating on millet seeds.

Are there any reason to choose the more expensive millets seeds, rather than just growing on the rye?

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Re: Selling mycelium commercially [Re: Thomsen]
    #26593591 - 04/11/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Are you sure millet is more expensive than rye? In the USA millet is way cheaper than rye. Rye is one of the most expensive grains you can use for people in the USA. I do a 50/50 of millet and whole oats because it is much cheaper and I see no difference when using rye or a mixture of millet and whole oats. Millet is smaller in size so it gives you more inoculation points.


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Re: Selling mycelium commercially [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26594940 - 04/12/20 03:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yes i'm quite sure of that. I can get 1 kilo (2.2 lbs) of organically grown rye for $0.50 and 1 kilo of millet seeds will cost me $1.50. I guess we just grow lot more rye than millet in Denmark.

It makes sense with the size and inoc points. I don't that will matter that much when people are growing oysters in coffee grounds though.


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Re: Selling mycelium commercially [Re: Thomsen]
    #26595061 - 04/12/20 05:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Millet is also more expensive than rye in my area ... but wheat is the cheapest grain. I use organic feed wheat.


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Re: Selling mycelium commercially [Re: mariapilz]
    #26595174 - 04/12/20 07:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Most of the commercial spawn manufacturers in the US use millet. Most home growers on a budget use wheat or oats. Millet is desirable because of its size. It provides many more inoculation points than something like rye. You'll have to look into what your competitors are doing. Basically if you're the only game in town you set the precident.
If I'm ordering spawn and I have a choice to get rye or millet spawn I'm choosing the guy with millet because I get more for my money. I can stretch it further


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Re: Selling mycelium commercially [Re: Stromrider]
    #26595278 - 04/12/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I thought I would pass this on. I used to just do a 24-hour soak with no simmer or boil. But I started getting higher contamination rates than I liked. I tried this with a slight modification. I take my 5-gallon bucket and fill it with hot water and set it in my PID at 190F with the probe in the water. Once the water in the bucket reaches 190F I pour in my whole oats and millet and adjust my PID to 175F (You can use any grain you may need to adjust the time though). I then set my timer for 50 mins. Once the 50 minutes is up. I drain the water off the grain and put the bucket and grain back in the steamer for 10 mins.  This steams off all excess water. After 10 mins I pull the bucket out and let it cool. Then I  fill my bags and sprinkle a little gypsum in each bag. Then I sterilize my bags. I have had great success so far with this method. The colonization time is way better...



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Re: Selling mycelium commercially [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26595441 - 04/12/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'll never stop boiling grain. I ain't no sucka


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Re: Selling mycelium commercially [Re: Stromrider]
    #26595721 - 04/12/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I am one, and have no problems with it .. although I use fodder wheat that is not as clean as wheat to eat. Soak for 18 hours - initially hot water. Then shower off hot. But I make my grain in the pressure cooker and not like many others in the athmosperic steamer.


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Re: Selling mycelium commercially [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26595784 - 04/12/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I can get Rey at Kelly Seed Co for $.70 a pound probably less if you buy a 50lb. bag.


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Re: Selling mycelium commercially [Re: mariapilz]
    #26596020 - 04/12/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Millet is also more expensive than rye in my area ... but wheat is the cheapest grain. I use organic feed wheat.




Apparently we just don't use millet that much in the EU :shrug:

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Most of the commercial spawn manufacturers in the US use millet. Most home growers on a budget use wheat or oats. Millet is desirable because of its size. It provides many more inoculation points than something like rye. You'll have to look into what your competitors are doing. Basically if you're the only game in town you set the precident.
If I'm ordering spawn and I have a choice to get rye or millet spawn I'm choosing the guy with millet because I get more for my money. I can stretch it further




There are some other stores but they aren't really competitors to be honest. I see your point, but i dont really think that the more inoc point will do that big of a different unless you really are going to use as less a possible when you're growing. Maybe it's just me. Although the mass volume of 500 grams of millet compared to 500 grams of rye will be there when filling bags with mycelium, i guess.

Would you still choose the guy selling millet if the price were higher?


Edited by Thomsen (04/12/20 03:39 PM)


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Re: Selling mycelium commercially [Re: Thomsen]
    #26596043 - 04/12/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Why not offer both for a short time. Then in the future use the one that sells the best. I choose spawn providers by the quality of there product not by what grain they use.


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Re: Selling mycelium commercially [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26596082 - 04/12/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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SHROOMSISAY01 said:
Why not offer both for a short time. Then in the future use the one that sells the best. I choose spawn providers by the quality of there product not by what grain they use.



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Re: Selling mycelium commercially [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26599764 - 04/14/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Why not offer both for a short time. Then in the future use the one that sells the best. I choose spawn providers by the quality of there product not by what grain they use.




I see your point. But honestly, danes has no idea about growing mushrooms. And they wouldn't care if it were millet or rye. It should be because reasons like effects yield or something like that if i were to sell the (in my case) more expensive millets.


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Re: Selling mycelium commercially [Re: Thomsen]
    #26600097 - 04/14/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You have to realize most people will take what you send them and expand it to the grain they prefer anyway. So I don't think it will make much of a difference as long as it is clean and of good quality. I have used many spawn grains and never seen a difference in yield. The subs are a different story though.


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Re: Selling mycelium commercially [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26603070 - 04/15/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah that's right they will. And u guess they change spawn as they want grains or not.

I'll be going with grains.
Thanks guys!


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