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mushroom filtrate preperation
    #26592636 - 04/11/20 03:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hi all.

SO I Recently harvested my shrooms(48 hours ago). Unfortunately the drying process did not go well. Some of my mushrooms are starting to rot. I am still hoping to trip today as it could be my last chance. I am afraid the rotting mushrooms could cause some severe stomach problems and nausea. So i am going to try and extract the actives and leave the mushroom material behind.
Should I use ethanol? Or just water with some lemon juice.
I plan to grind them up not too fine in a coffee blender and then soak in the liquid and then filter either through a sieve, coffee press pot or a strainer bag.

I am not sure how fine I should grind them up in the grinder though? I want it to be fine enough so the actives will disolve in the solvent I am going to use but not too fine the mushroom material will pass through the filter. Can someone give advice on this? Also which filter option should I use?
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Re: mushroom filtrate preperation [Re: Markosheehan]
    #26592703 - 04/11/20 04:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Do you have a picture of the mushrooms? Because it's pretty much impossible that they start to rot within 48 hours.
I bet they start to turn blue from touching, or dark /black from dropping spores. Both things are totally normal and nothing to worry about.

Just chop them into small pieces of half an inch, and put in a warm oven (80°C /170°F) for 20min (or more, till they are cracker-dry).

Weigh your dose when they are cracker dry, right now, partially dried, it's impossibe to know weigh correctly.

Water is fine. Maybe a splash of lemon juice added into the cup.
Just chop your dry shrooms into very small pieces, put into a cup with boiling water, let simmer or steep for 20min to half an hour, stirr a few times in between, then filter out the shrooms and drink the liquid.

As easy as that. :sun:

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Re: mushroom filtrate preperation [Re: Markosheehan]
    #26592707 - 04/11/20 04:27 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hy man,
How much do you have and how bad did they get?

Dont need to go to all the effort and money doing an alcohol extract for a small amount

Probably best for you to just do a lemon tea if your planning to consume soon. Freeze it if your going to wait a while.

Boiling will kill off any nasties and shouldn't hurt potency, although if they went real bad then some of the actives may have been degraded some

Add the powder and a good squeeze of lemon to pot with just enough water to cover the pulp
Do a couple, 2, medium simmers for 5min . Then one final hard boil for another 5 or so just to make sure you got all you could.
Squeeze,  filter and add fresh water each time collecting the final tea. If you end up with more liquid than wanted you can simmer it down on a medium heat.
Fine to grind them down somewhat, just dont make it like talc powder, if you want that then you may need 2 or more filters, from course to fine.
The the powder will swell when it becomes a pulp anyway so....:shrug:
Here's a pile of powder after an alcohol extract i did, prolly could have ground it finer.

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Re: mushroom filtrate preperation [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26592748 - 04/11/20 05:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)



There is desiccant under the tissue. I put them in that last night after fan drying for 24 hours. They have gotten more soft since last night.
Will heating in a oven not destroy the potency? A lot of the actives were already destroyed in the fanning process so I would like to avoid heat as much as possible.


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Re: mushroom filtrate preperation [Re: UnderNose]
    #26592756 - 04/11/20 05:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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They are kind of soft even though they have been famed and in a desiccant for the last 48 hours. They are detiarating fast though just recently (breaking down more and getting more soft and moist)
They were grown in a kit and were absolutely perfect when I picked them of the mycelium. They got ruined in the fanning process. I used a hairdryer for the start and they just got burned and turned black.
At this stage I do think there is a bit of rot in them. I have a sensitive stomach and don't want the trip to be me just feeling awful because of the rot.

What filter should I use? I have at my disposal a coffee pot, a fine mesh filter bag, and a sieve.


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Re: mushroom filtrate preperation [Re: Markosheehan]
    #26592762 - 04/11/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

They look fine.

As I said, the blue is brusing, which comes from oxidizing. The black stuff is spores that fall out of the caps. The spores are violett /almost black, and stick on the whole fruits making them look black.

There is no mold, or rot.

Fan drying doesn't decrease any potency, nor does heat destroy the actives.
Put them in a a warm oven (~160°F) untill they snap appart when you try to bend them.
There will be no potency loss from that bit of heat. Don't burn them with 280°F though. :smile: 170°F max.

They look fine to eat. Mature fruits turn blue, dark or black, that's normal.

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Re: mushroom filtrate preperation [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26592777 - 04/11/20 05:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

thanks for getting back to me.
They looked like perfect cubes until I used a hairdryer to dry them.


Here was them after harvest. I dont understand how they went so black. My friend used a similar tek to me and his did not turn out like this.

anyway thanks. Hopefully not too much nausea.


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Re: mushroom filtrate preperation [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26592783 - 04/11/20 05:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

yeah man still look fine. No rot at all. Just blue and purple from busing and spores:thumbup:

Do whatever you wish. Could still munch em down as is if you want. Better after a quick drying like Pandemoon says, then store in an airtight jar with desiccant.

If your gonna be consuming soon, and you'll likely prefer a tea over eating them anyway due to sensitive stomach.

I would do the procedure I mentioned earlier, grind up real fine.

If your filter mesh is the right size to fit in the sieve use that first, after each boil pour everything into the mesh+sieve and give it a good squeazzezzeee into another pot. Then reboil rinse & repeat X3
If the mesh dont fit then place some cotton cloth, old shirt, old sheets or pillow cases and such are good cause they hold less water.

When your done you may want some sweetener like honey or something if its a large tea. I would rather reduce it down to like half a cup per dose if you can.

How many grams are there?, looks like enough for anywhere from 1 to 4 doses depending how adventurous your feeling.
So keep that in mind in relation to how much water you use and how far you boil it down, the variables are whell, variable.


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Re: mushroom filtrate preperation [Re: UnderNose]
    #26592792 - 04/11/20 05:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If your real pedantic about filtering, like me:yesnod:
After reducing it down I would do a final filter with a cotton ball loosely packed into a funnel.
The reducing process can create more muck to remove, and if your grinding the shrooms real fine then you could do with the cotton funnel anyway.

That will give you a nice clean tea you can drink now or freeze for laterz:rainbowdrink:

Oh and do the Pandemoon oven dry trick next time, or get a dehydrator. They will blue quickly in the wrong conditions.


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Re: mushroom filtrate preperation [Re: UnderNose]
    #26592962 - 04/11/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks.
Ive just dosed this . I'll let you know how it goes. Happy tripping


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Re: mushroom filtrate preperation [Re: UnderNose]
    #26593218 - 04/11/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Unfortunately I did not get much effects from the 2.7 grams. They really must of lost potency.
I cant really redose now either.

I know you recommended freezing the extract but I cant really make more of the extract now. Would it be possible to freeze the mushrooms themselves ?


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Re: mushroom filtrate preperation [Re: Markosheehan]
    #26593265 - 04/11/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Oh shit man that really sucks, all wound up for a trip to nowhere.:nonono:

2+ should have had some effects, you sure you did a good extract and cook/squeeze out all the goods?

That drying technique must have done a real number on them or perhaps they werent full cracker dry so your dry weight numbers were off, being more like 1.5g or less.

And there is also the issue of the quality of the grow kit or lack thereof.

You could try more if its only been an hour or 2, depends how much time you have to kill.

I guess you could freeze them but would need to turn into tea as soon as they come back out of the freezer or they will really go blue and loose whats left of the potency.

Just turn whats left into tea and freeze it for another day. Or drink it all now:eek:


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Re: mushroom filtrate preperation [Re: UnderNose]
    #26593380 - 04/11/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

As time has progressed I got more pronounced effects. It felt more like 1.7 grams though than 2.7.
Got a decent head buzz and some light visuals. underwhelming though

I ate  food after aswell cause I had not eaten all day. So redosing probably aint a good idea.

Dunno If I should try tripping again tommorow due to underwhelming effects.
I dont really want to because I feel like you should space out trips to get the most out of them but I am afraid if I leave the rest of the mushrooms out they wont last. There still is a little bit of goodness in them.

Ye I will probably do the tea and freeze it. Only way to save it.


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Re: mushroom filtrate preperation [Re: UnderNose]
    #26593473 - 04/11/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

UnderNose said:
Oh shit man that really sucks..

..or perhaps they werent full cracker dry so your dry weight numbers were off, being more like 1.5g or less.




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