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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26591977 - 04/10/20 09:47 PM (2 months, 29 days ago)

Most of what i was going to reply to has been.

I still can't grasp what the wealthy want and what game they have going. Influance, welath? :shrug:
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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #26592071 - 04/10/20 10:27 PM (2 months, 29 days ago)

wealth can mean many things to many people, but once you've gotten past the "buy all the goodies I ever wanted" level of wealth, it essentially translates into the power to enact your will over others.  Obviously there are many potential benefits to such power


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26592103 - 04/10/20 10:43 PM (2 months, 29 days ago)

I cant argue with any of that. Completely objectively true:shrug:
Getting into their head is whats difficult. I have an idea of what Id do with billions, but only like half of it is evil, probably:bender:


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26592366 - 04/11/20 12:58 AM (2 months, 29 days ago)

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wealth can mean many things to many people, but once you've gotten past the "buy all the goodies I ever wanted" level of wealth, it essentially translates into the power to enact your will over others.  Obviously there are many potential benefits to such power




Most of the time, that power isn't even all that expensive. I'd estimate ~80-90% of Americans are willing to do some seriously degrading shit for under $100.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26592415 - 04/11/20 01:35 AM (2 months, 28 days ago)

What do i need to do for that money?
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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #26592447 - 04/11/20 02:04 AM (2 months, 28 days ago)

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Arguments of fairness mean nothing to me. They pay more. They could pay 10% and pay more than 100% of someone elses earnings.



Given the choice of everyone paying an equal amount in taxes and everyone paying an equal percentage, you'd rather everyone pay an equal amount?  That would absolutely kill the lower class, which seems to be what you keep arguing for.

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Trickle down economics is a leftist created term. It was created by democrats.



It really doesn't matter where the term came from.  The idea is that if you give more to the rich in tax breaks, it's supposed to help everyone else because that extra money going to the rich will somehow go to everyone else.

A much better idea is to give more money to the lower class, because when they spend that money (and they will because they have to) it will ALWAY trickle up to the wealthy business owners.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26592468 - 04/11/20 02:19 AM (2 months, 28 days ago)

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To pay the debt? No.  To pay the public.  When money is conjured via debt the banks don't mind because they can multiply the dollars by more than the rate of inflation and charge interest on it.  Corps and folks with numbered bank accounts don't mind because the they get the lion's share of the credit extended in these bailouts, usually with Gov't guarantees on the loans, etc.  Little people get shafted.  They don't get the credit or the free money.  If you mint a few coins and give the money to the public it is more inflationary but the gains go to the little people and the value for the new dollars comes directly out of the money sitting in the numbered accounts.  Essentially an instant, one-time wealth tax to redistribute the ill begotten gains of the last 40 years and maybe buy capitalism another half decade before consumers run out of money and the whole shithouse collspses



qman and/or Fal, please critique this post



I haven't heard about #MintTheCoin before, but after reading into it, it sounds very similar to quantitative easing, and would have the same inflation risks.  But QE seems better to me in that regard, because the Fed then could just take money back out of circulation by selling their bonds and retiring that money.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26592484 - 04/11/20 02:42 AM (2 months, 28 days ago)

Id rather havelower taxes because twxes arent' paying your fwir share', its giving it to the governmnt to spend.

Your 'give money to the lower class' idea is what I thought, in high school.
Then I grew up and stopped believing in bad ideas that would ruin society.

Money doesnt 'trickle up' the term 'trickle down' is a caricature. When you cut taxes you insxentivise investment. It isnt the only way. Physical and financial security are important.

All of this comes from the assumption taking the property of the wealthy to redistribute it would solve problems.

I just watched this an hour ago. He has exactly my opinion and tells two stories ro illustrate it.


Bill whittle is more eloquent


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #26592492 - 04/11/20 02:50 AM (2 months, 28 days ago)

Taxes actually bypass the government and go directly to stock buy backs


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #26592559 - 04/11/20 03:47 AM (2 months, 28 days ago)

Trump cut taxes by blowing up the deficit and screwing everyone down the road. That is the Republican playbook.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: cannabinated]
    #26592572 - 04/11/20 03:59 AM (2 months, 28 days ago)

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Id rather havelower taxes because twxes arent' paying your fwir share', its giving it to the governmnt to spend.



Government uses taxes to spend on roads, schools, firefighters, courts, defense, etc.  What's wrong with that?

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Money doesnt 'trickle up' the term 'trickle down' is a caricature. When you cut taxes you insxentivise investment. It isnt the only way. Physical and financial security are important.



No, investing money on a product doesn't mean much if no one has the money to buy that product.  If people have enough money to buy the product, then they may also have enough money to invest in the company.

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All of this comes from the assumption taking the property of the wealthy to redistribute it would solve problems.

I just watched this an hour ago. He has exactly my opinion and tells two stories ro illustrate it.


Bill whittle is more eloquent



That guy doesn't understand socialism WHATSOEVER (and neither do you apparently), or even capitalism for that matter based on his examples.  First of all , socialism doesn't "abhor individual success".  Communist countries have countless examples of nationally recognized people who have been very successful.

He goes on to give an example of how someone got a lower bonus than others who did less work, and how that person was envious when he found out the lesser working people got more.  He oddly says that the envy is what socialists feel.  No, actuality, that example and the resulting envy are exactly what happened under a capitalist system example.

Capitalists are envious when they get less for doing more.  If an engineer who designs the next iPhone gets less than an owner who sat on his ass doing nothing but investing his daddy's inheritance, then that engineer might also be envious.

He then provides an example of how socialists would never sell their Xboxes to feed the homeless.  What?  He got it exactly backwards.  Socialist countries have a history of giving more to other needy countries than capitalist countries do.

In fact, he makes an argument at the end of the video that is EXTREMELY socialist.  He says "if you can free yourself from envy, life not only gets better, it gets much, much happier as well".  He then argues you can be happy with less.

At the end of the video he says he'd be thankful if a salesman gave him $100,000 for doing absolutely nothing after the salesman earned $10,000,000.  Well no shit, a socialist would also be happy.  But that doesn't happen under either system (unless he meant an investor should be thankful for earning $100,000 on his investment while other people who did the actual work to make all the money got $9,900,000, and I would totally agree).


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26592621 - 04/11/20 04:55 AM (2 months, 28 days ago)

Freeing yourself from jelousy isnt 'socialist'.

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Capitalists are envious when they get less for doing more.  If an engineer who designs the next iPhone gets less than an owner who sat on his ass doing nothing but investing his daddy's inheritance, then that engineer might also be envious



You arent saying anything. It isnt even an anecdote. Its a long 'no, you'


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That guy doesn't understand socialism WHATSOEVER (and neither do you apparently), or even capitalism for that matter based on his examples.  First of all , socialism doesn't "abhor individual success".  Communist countries have countless examples of nationally recognized people who have been very successful.




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He then provides an example of how socialists would never sell their Xboxes to feed the homeless.  What?  He got it exactly backwards.  Socialist countries have a history of giving more to other needy countries than capitalist countries do.




Out of millions of people, even bad places produce good people. Its called probability. Out of millions of communist dollars, some will go to charity also. Regimes spread it around to bribe.

The US and EU(not a nation) are the largest givers of cherity in the world.

Communist nations dont have much to give. Their best nations are not productive.
Russia, Laos, Vietnam, Cuba, North Korea.
Im sure they gave so much. Thwts the group I want to copy.
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By socialism I mean centralized control of parts of the economy. Not the Scandinavian welfare state that we make possible. One of them got upset that someone cwlled them socialist recently. They make use of markets and attempt to privatize, because the government is strained already

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #26592623 - 04/11/20 05:00 AM (2 months, 28 days ago)

He is a total moron



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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
    #26592641 - 04/11/20 05:23 AM (2 months, 28 days ago)

He could have stopped corona virus definitively and people would still call him an idiot.
We dont have the information or a good comparison to make to know if mitigation worked.
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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #26592661 - 04/11/20 05:43 AM (2 months, 28 days ago)

Trump is calling the decision of when to reopen the economy his most important decision ever. It sounds all dramatic and makes him feel likes he's the big man, but for the most part it's meaningless. All he can do is make advisory statements. All the power is in the hands of the Governors.

As far as I know, for him to have that power he would have to declare martial law. That's unlikely to happen because it would be very unpopular, and the six Governors who did not shut things down are all Republicans.


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    #26592682 - 04/11/20 06:04 AM (2 months, 28 days ago)

Im not sure what he shut down because of his executive order wnd whwt was from more local politicians.


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    #26592742 - 04/11/20 07:02 AM (2 months, 28 days ago)

He didn't shut anything down with an executive order. He has weighed the options of an executive order to make corporations produce needed medical supplies. He has, I believe, used an executive order to return reservists and national guard to active duty.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26593119 - 04/11/20 12:03 PM (2 months, 28 days ago)

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wealth can mean many things to many people, but once you've gotten past the "buy all the goodies I ever wanted" level of wealth, it essentially translates into the power to enact your will over others.  Obviously there are many potential benefits to such power




Most of the time, that power isn't even all that expensive. I'd estimate ~80-90% of Americans are willing to do some seriously degrading shit for under $100.




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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26593128 - 04/11/20 12:07 PM (2 months, 28 days ago)

what kind of dick makes you do that for a coffee

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26593140 - 04/11/20 12:13 PM (2 months, 28 days ago)

Ate a huge wild Muscaria for an eith of mids :shrug:

Though, come to think of it, Iā€™m not so sure which Amanita it was.

I was even dumber in those days:snowman:


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