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Maybe we are actually living in a simulation 2
#26591974 - 04/10/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Like The Matrix or somethin.
Hey Logic get your ass in here, this is your expertise
I'm watching some show called Paranormal Caught on Camera and they showed some videos taken by people where there appears to be...like real life glitching.
Like this jetliner in Dallas that appears to be stuck
And then this dog that appears on pause until the owner touches him/her

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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla] 2
#26591991 - 04/10/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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def not fake yo if that's what u mean...
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla] 1
#26592015 - 04/10/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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That is trippy man!
Maybe the first one was a CG edit?
That dog glitch was very interesting. Maybe well-trained?
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26592025 - 04/10/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe the first one was a CG edit?
That dog glitch was very interesting. Maybe well-trained?
I have no idea. They had some people on the show examining the videos and they didn't mention anything about CG. Then I went to YouTube and found the videos.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla] 2
#26592046 - 04/10/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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ooohhh..actually my first thought is some kind of absence seizure or something with the dog.
But it could also be exceptionally well trained.
MY first instinct, if I saw my dog do this would be to rush over freaking out and see if he was okay and not about to drop dead from some kind of aneurysm or something, not film a video for youtube.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: pirate-blues]
#26592052 - 04/10/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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MY first instinct, if I saw my dog do this would be to rush over freaking out and see if he was okay and not about to drop dead from some kind of aneurysm or something, not film a video for youtube.
Yeah lol this was my first thought as well. I'd have the same reaction as you. The last thing on my mind would've been to get my phone out to record. So I think the credibility is pretty low on that one.
The plane one however was pretty bizarre I thought. And actually looked kinda...real.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla] 1
#26592058 - 04/10/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just found this video:
Some weird synchronicities and glitches!
In Pleiadian Spirituality, its believed that theres higher dimensions of consciousness and death is just a process the spirit goes thru when we die.
But is that the say the Spirit "life" is the real one and not this reality? I just don't know....
Im definitely going to investigate this more....
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#26592084 - 04/10/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It was too perfect 
Felt like a Shroomery-made video 
A Time Glitch in the Matrix?
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla] 1
#26592089 - 04/10/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I saw this one on TV. So freakin weird.
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#26592098 - 04/10/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah I saw that plant clip before too. Definitely bizarre. And that goalie...
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla]
#26592229 - 04/10/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ignoring the fact that you can’t prove that you are in the “matrix” while inside it none of those videos are proof of anything.
I’m going to assume this thread is sarcasm, especially since the evidence again being in a simulation squashes any claim we might be.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
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Thanatos10 said: Ignoring the fact that you can’t prove that you are in the “matrix” while inside it none of those videos are proof of anything.
I’m going to assume this thread is sarcasm, especially since the evidence again being in a simulation squashes any claim we might be.
Why'd you have to destroy my dreams of proving we are in a simulation tho

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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla] 1
#26592374 - 04/10/20 11:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whats your thoughts on ghosts?
Maybe ghosts are time-glitches of people from the past. I mean, so many ghost sightings are of people wearing circa 1900's clothing: https://www.history.com/topics/halloween/historical-ghost-stories
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
#26592381 - 04/10/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: Ignoring the fact that you can’t prove that you are in the “matrix” while inside it none of those videos are proof of anything.
I’m going to assume this thread is sarcasm, especially since the evidence again being in a simulation squashes any claim we might be.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26592383 - 04/10/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Whats your thoughts on ghosts?
Maybe ghosts are time-glitches of people from the past. I mean, so many ghost sightings are of people wearing circa 1900's clothing: https://www.history.com/topics/halloween/historical-ghost-stories
Usually when the supernatural is investigated it turns about to be disappointingly ordinary
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: zZZz] 1
#26592391 - 04/10/20 11:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: Ignoring the fact that you can’t prove that you are in the “matrix” while inside it none of those videos are proof of anything.
I’m going to assume this thread is sarcasm, especially since the evidence again being in a simulation squashes any claim we might be.
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LogicaL Chaos said: Whats your thoughts on ghosts?
Maybe ghosts are time-glitches of people from the past. I mean, so many ghost sightings are of people wearing circa 1900's clothing: https://www.history.com/topics/halloween/historical-ghost-stories
That same show I watched they did mention how ghosts can be stuck in like a loop that just plays over and over

Sounds like a glitch to me big guy
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla]
#26592655 - 04/11/20 03:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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No man thats the ground effect, displaced air from landing the aircraft has no where to go as the craft nears the ground; thus the plane can slow down to a near hover.
Not a glitch in the simulation, just basic aerodynamics I'm afraid.
I think things like the mathematics of the universe such as the golden ratio etc are a better argument indicator for simulation theory.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla] 3
#26592672 - 04/11/20 03:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Said assertion then begs the question: a simulation of what?
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla]
#26592677 - 04/11/20 04:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Niffla said: Like The Matrix or somethin.
Hey Logic get your ass in here, this is your expertise
I'm watching some show called Paranormal Caught on Camera and they showed some videos taken by people where there appears to be...like real life glitching.
Like this jetliner in Dallas that appears to be stuck
And then this dog that appears on pause until the owner touches him/her


It's entirely likely. We could be in some supercomputer testing different physics properties to find their own in order to predict everything that is coming in their future. We could be some weird little side-effect in this program.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla] 1
#26592720 - 04/11/20 04:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fibonacci numbers are used to create technical indicators using a mathematical sequence developed by the Italian mathematician, commonly referred to as "Fibonacci," in the 13th century. The sequence of numbers, starting with zero and one, is created by adding the previous two numbers.
The Fibonacci sequence appears in nature because it represents structures and sequences that model physical reality. ... When the underlying mechanism that puts components together to form a spiral they naturally conform to that numeric sequence.

https://newearthknowledge.com/2019/11/22/proof-intelligent-design/
This to me could be a reasonable indicator of the simulation.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26592963 - 04/11/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm pretty fascinated with the whole "matrix/simulation" theory. It's certainly interesting, but that being said...
Those dancing plant videos have been around for a bit now. It's just someone with some fishing line, a camera, and some time to kill.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: 1234go]
#26592970 - 04/11/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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A simulation a a 70s porno gone real bad in a good way
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26593136 - 04/11/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Purely for entertainment.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: HappySloth]
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HappySloth said: No man thats the ground effect, displaced air from landing the aircraft has no where to go as the craft nears the ground; thus the plane can slow down to a near hover.
Not a glitch in the simulation, just basic aerodynamics I'm afraid.
I think things like the mathematics of the universe such as the golden ratio etc are a better argument indicator for simulation theory.
Mathematics actually disproves that we are in a simulation though and the golden ratio proves nothing
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
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HappySloth said: No man thats the ground effect, displaced air from landing the aircraft has no where to go as the craft nears the ground; thus the plane can slow down to a near hover.
Not a glitch in the simulation, just basic aerodynamics I'm afraid.
I think things like the mathematics of the universe such as the golden ratio etc are a better argument indicator for simulation theory.
Mathematics actually disproves that we are in a simulation though and the golden ratio proves nothing
How is that possible? Didn’t Elon Musk of all people support the simulation theory
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Led Zeppelin]
#26593482 - 04/11/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I dont support the simulation theory but such thought experiments are very fun to do.
Edit: and if it is a simulation then there would HAVE to be a way to stress the system so much that it would become unpredictable and eventually crash.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Led Zeppelin]
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HappySloth said: No man thats the ground effect, displaced air from landing the aircraft has no where to go as the craft nears the ground; thus the plane can slow down to a near hover.
Not a glitch in the simulation, just basic aerodynamics I'm afraid.
I think things like the mathematics of the universe such as the golden ratio etc are a better argument indicator for simulation theory.
Mathematics actually disproves that we are in a simulation though and the golden ratio proves nothing
How is that possible? Didn’t Elon Musk of all people support the simulation theory
Elon Musk is a nut bar punching above his weight class. His arguments for it aren’t even mathematical, it pretty much amount to “we exist therefor we are in a simulation”. It’s not even wrong .
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: spirit_shadow]
#26593609 - 04/11/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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One logical theory is that WE will create simulations if we reached the peak of technological maturity. Thats when there's no more technology to develop in the universe, we did it all. Why spend any more energy on physical development? Logically, we would rather simulate reality. In the seemingly infinite span of time, all the dice rolls will land an infinite number of times. That means a human race has made it to technological maturity, and will have created simulations. And this reality that we share right here right now very well could be one of those simulations.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: trees]
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That isn’t a mathematical or logical argument it’s just pure speculation at best and the actual math doesn’t support it.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: trees]
#26593621 - 04/11/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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and then there would be more simulated realities than real ones, making it likely we are in a simulation vs. the real deal
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26593631 - 04/11/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not at all.
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You could say it's basically infinitely more likely that we are in a simulation than the original simulation. I want to believe that mathematics is evidence enough that it is a simulation. Physical existence of matter is quantized
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: trees]
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trees said: You could say it's basically infinitely more likely that we are in a simulation than the original simulation. I want to believe that mathematics is evidence enough that it is a simulation. Physical existence of matter is quantized
Except mathematics isn’t evidence that we are. As was mentioned all it is is a thought experiment. Nothing you said is really logical, it’s all just speculation. There isn’t evidence we WILL make a simulation or that it is possible or that this is one, etc.
All it is is a thought experiment that people have taken way too seriously. It’s not falsifiable so it pointless trying to look for “evidence” of it.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
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What do you think about the source or sustinence of of reality? Like, what do you think the substrate might be that upholds this physical dimension?
I think that because it's all quantifiable, it could realistically run on a computer
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I think that because it's all quantifiable, it could realistically run on a computer
Who says there is one?
But even if something is quantifiable doesn’t mean you can run it on a computer or that you would. Mathematically it is not possible.
The “arguments” for a simulation are so flimsy that they can’t be taken seriously.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
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In the end does it really even matter?
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
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Thanatos10 said: That isn’t a mathematical or logical argument it’s just pure speculation at best and the actual math doesn’t support it.
Understanding a base reality through math and physics could be the same as a video AI learning the code of the game it's in, its knowledge would then be limited to the code of said game, which may have no resemblance to the "code" in the human world of its creators. It would still feel as if it had mapped all of reality, when it had only learned to understand some of the code its creators designed
The whole point of the theory is not that most people actually believe it, but that it can't be disproven by anyone that actually grasps the concept.
I prefer interface theory far more though
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Thanatos10 said: That isn’t a mathematical or logical argument it’s just pure speculation at best and the actual math doesn’t support it.
Understanding a base reality through math and physics could be the same as a video AI learning the code of the game it's in, its knowledge would then be limited to the code of said game, which may have no resemblance to the "code" in the human world of its creators. It would still feel as if it had mapped all of reality, when it had only learned to understand some of the code its creators designed
The whole point of the theory is not that most people actually believe it, but that it can't be disproven by anyone that actually grasps the concept.
I prefer interface theory far more though
The concept is simple to grasp but it’s not supported by evidence. It’s just a thought experiment. Lie solipsism (actually this argument is just a different flavor of solipsism).
As for whether it matters, well us being in a simulation would lead to nihilism just like if you believed in solipsism.
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HappySloth said:The Fibonacci sequence appears in nature because it represents structures and sequences that model physical reality. ... When the underlying mechanism that puts components together to form a spiral they naturally conform to that numeric sequence.
One could say that even in places where the fibonacci sequence is not present, organisms are growing according to physical properties of the Universe. Rather than saying the organisms are a reflection of some underlying model of physical reality, I think it's more appropriate to say that organisms are bound by physical reality.
The fibonacci sequence is prevalent in nature, but it's often said to be core in some way to the Universes "code". I generally disagree with this, and many mathematical models are present throughout nature, and each one is as such because we've gone out of our way to apply a mathematical model to natural elements.
When it comes to the fibonacci sequence, or any sprialing sequence found in nature, there is a pretty compelling reason why organisms tend to evolve to grow within those ratios. It's not necessarily that they do so to reflect some underlying nature of the Universe (in a contextual sense - in another sense entirely all things do this by the very nature of existing in the first place within the boundaries of Universe and what's possible), but because growing in these ratios helps with survival.
Most flowers form spirals, some very close to the fibonacci sequence, because it allows the plant to fit as many seeds into as small a space as possible with as few resources as possible. This self fulfilling survival of the fittest mechanism allows the plant to continue growing closer and closer to certain sequence variations with each successful reproduction.
Snails as well are able to fit more organ mass into a smaller (protected) space due to the nature of this geometry. The direction which the shells center grows out towards also determines their ability to mate, as a left pointing shell cannot mate with a right pointing shell. This increases genetic diversity among snails with peculiar shell shapes, and also makes mating difficult without a compatible shell. The lack of the ability to mate if endowed with a faulty shell may have led their shells to evolve into more and more mathematically accurate spirals as generations have gone by.
Hurricanes and galaxies might form into fibonacci spirals because the weight of the outside layer above an inside one is often dense enough to contain the air or stars within it.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: 1234go]
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1234go said: I'm pretty fascinated with the whole "matrix/simulation" theory. It's certainly interesting, but that being said...
Those dancing plant videos have been around for a bit now. It's just someone with some fishing line, a camera, and some time to kill. 
Ha, fishing line. Good one. Show me the frames showing the fishing line and I'll believe that one.
Niffla, many ghost reports are of ghosts doing repeated behaviours such as walking up the stairs for example. Its gotta be some kind of looping time-glitch.....
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla]
#26593981 - 04/11/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are optical illusions actually Universal brain glitches?
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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1234go said: I'm pretty fascinated with the whole "matrix/simulation" theory. It's certainly interesting, but that being said...
Those dancing plant videos have been around for a bit now. It's just someone with some fishing line, a camera, and some time to kill. 
Ha, fishing line. Good one. Show me the frames showing the fishing line and I'll believe that one.
Niffla, many ghost reports are of ghosts doing repeated behaviours such as walking up the stairs for example. Its gotta be some kind of looping time-glitch.....
Thing is you can’t which is the point of the fishing line, some are that fine you can’t see them. But it’s an old trick. Also optical illusions just show how flawed our senses are which sort of defeats the point of using sensory data to prove the “matrix”.
Also ghosts are fake.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26594019 - 04/11/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ghosts, or apparitions only appear within the mind.
In exactly the same way as when on a psychedelic and a semi-corporeal light form based entity hallucination appears. Unreal and absent in the objective world, but perceptually apparent with the senses.
The babes think it’s real and objective and intrinsically existing, and believe it is something when it’s really nothing.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26594024 - 04/11/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ghosts are real and theres electromagnetic and static electricity trace evidence to back it up.
Since ghosts are 99% invisible, they are very hard to study. An example of how a ghost appears on video (pixilated/disorted):
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#26594036 - 04/11/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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using things we don’t fully understand to explain things we think we understand is why we often misunderstand somethings nature, like the phenomena of apparition. Let’s fight
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: The Blind Ass]
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Well I mean we do understand the tech we use to “detect” such things but the evidence he cites isn’t proof of ghosts. These nubs think using techy equipment makes them official or correct but it doesn’t. There is no proof ghosts exist and it’s usually just a trick or the senses people blow up into a grand story that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.
I mean people though the mentally ill were possessed by demons and spirits and tried to “exorcise” them but all they really did was physically abuse folks.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
#26594144 - 04/11/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Using specialized device or instrument, and understanding them and what they do is different. Someone who does vs somehow who doesn’t has a likelier chance of not misattributing measurements, recordings, and whatnot to unrelated phenomena- ex. often erroneously believing correlation to be causation. Ex. I can know how to use a keyboard and a mouse to function via windows 10, but that is different from understanding how that pc functions, and I would still not understand it. Heh not a great example, but I hope it illustrates my point.
If you slip datura seeds into someone’s soup and they are oblivious - ie. Don’t know of drugs and have no mental reference to them or their potential to alter the central nervous system, and have never experienced any altered states that they can discern as altered, and they have hallucinations several hours later whilst going about their business as usual, the chances of them misinterpreting hallucinations of people who appear to be in their field of vision - but are absent in tangentiality from space-time- as a “real” living person is high.
essentially becoming beguiled by their experience via not understanding it.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: The Blind Ass]
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I guess what I mean is that these “ghost hunters” don’t know what their instruments mean and take those readings to be something they aren’t. It’s kind of funny but at some point you gotta let go of the dream. Makes good TV so I doubt it will go
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
#26594169 - 04/11/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah. True. By doing so they miss on what I believe it a magnificent opportunity to understand the nature of the mind, and by extension about the nature of reality by means of negative inference. The dream is that the dream is real, familiarity with that realization from that is liberating.
It can be absent by quantifiable methods, yet apparent to organisms experientially, making illusions a real phenomena. I find them close to magical in quality.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26594210 - 04/11/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The mind doesn’t exist.
Also I wouldn’t posit it being a dream unless I knew if there was “something else”
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
#26594216 - 04/11/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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True, it has no intrinsic existence, but in our dimension experience, it’s obviously apparent and perceptible...hence its nature being likened to magical illusion.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26594223 - 04/11/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well I mean that much of what is thought to be the mind has been found to be the brain recently. Hence there being no “mind”. Even the experience of self-hood is tied to the brain, it’s not something that “exists”.
Though I still prefer to believe in selves since it’s the only thing keeping me from being a psychopath
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla] 1
#26594379 - 04/11/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Niffla said: Like The Matrix or somethin.
Hey Logic get your ass in here, this is your expertise
I'm watching some show called Paranormal Caught on Camera and they showed some videos taken by people where there appears to be...like real life glitching.
Like this jetliner in Dallas that appears to be stuck
And then this dog that appears on pause until the owner touches him/her


the Animatrix has one of the most realistic/plausible scenarios, imo, presented in the story "The Race" or something similar.
Dark City also had an interesting concept.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Tulipslave]
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That was great!
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
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Thanatos10 said: Well I mean we do understand the tech we use to “detect” such things but the evidence he cites isn’t proof of ghosts. These nubs think using techy equipment makes them official or correct but it doesn’t. There is no proof ghosts exist and it’s usually just a trick or the senses people blow up into a grand story that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.
I mean people though the mentally ill were possessed by demons and spirits and tried to “exorcise” them but all they really did was physically abuse folks.
If you want to measure the strange energies, but a TriField Meter. I know I will be in the future.
I think the best evidence that the Universe is a Simulation is Quantum Physics. Quantum Physics is very bizarre. It doesn't make sense but yet the scientific observations seen say that's whats going on.
Take Wave-Particle Duality: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mod1.html
How can a wave be both a wave and a particle, at the same time? How can it switch back and forth from wave to particle? That should be impossible. But its totally possible and is happening right now.
Its my theory that the reason why they are both at the same time is because the wave is a wave in another dimension while being a particle in this dimension. And it keeps switching back and forth at an extremely high "refresh rate".
Could explain ghost sightings and paranormal experiences (phantom touching). Their matter is mostly in another dimension but yet the ghost is part of our dimension just slightly, which is why we pick them up on various electromagnetic recording instruments.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Thanatos10 said: Well I mean we do understand the tech we use to “detect” such things but the evidence he cites isn’t proof of ghosts. These nubs think using techy equipment makes them official or correct but it doesn’t. There is no proof ghosts exist and it’s usually just a trick or the senses people blow up into a grand story that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.
I mean people though the mentally ill were possessed by demons and spirits and tried to “exorcise” them but all they really did was physically abuse folks.
If you want to measure the strange energies, but a TriField Meter. I know I will be in the future.
I think the best evidence that the Universe is a Simulation is Quantum Physics. Quantum Physics is very bizarre. It doesn't make sense but yet the scientific observations seen say that's whats going on.
Take Wave-Particle Duality: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mod1.html
How can a wave be both a wave and a particle, at the same time? How can it switch back and forth from wave to particle? That should be impossible. But its totally possible and is happening right now.
Its my theory that the reason why they are both at the same time is because the wave is a wave in another dimension while being a particle in this dimension. And it keeps switching back and forth at an extremely high "refresh rate".
Could explain ghost sightings and paranormal experiences (phantom touching). Their matter is mostly in another dimension but yet the ghost is part of our dimension just slightly, which is why we pick them up on various electromagnetic recording instruments.
An example of how to get everything wrong at once.
Wave particle duality isn’t proof of a simulation. As I have said before there is 0 evidence that we are in one and you can’t prove something is a simulation while inside it. If anything it disproves or is strong evidence against it.
Also those videos are just optical illusions. The video would have been proof of it if they weren’t in a moving vehicle.
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Thanatos10 said: Wave particle duality isn’t proof of a simulation. As I have said before there is 0 evidence that we are in one and you can’t prove something is a simulation while inside it. If anything it disproves or is strong evidence against it.
i generally don't hold beliefs, but one thing that has generally proven true, time and again, is that a part can't ever fathom the whole.
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Thanatos10 said: Wave particle duality isn’t proof of a simulation. As I have said before there is 0 evidence that we are in one and you can’t prove something is a simulation while inside it. If anything it disproves or is strong evidence against it.
i generally don't hold beliefs, but one thing that has generally proven true, time and again, is that a part can't ever fathom the whole.
You do hold beliefs whether you know it or not so that’s a statement that is always false
Second it’s a kitschy saying but it’s not proof of a simulation.
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Thanatos10 said: Wave particle duality isn’t proof of a simulation. As I have said before there is 0 evidence that we are in one and you can’t prove something is a simulation while inside it. If anything it disproves or is strong evidence against it.
i generally don't hold beliefs, but one thing that has generally proven true, time and again, is that a part can't ever fathom the whole.
You do hold beliefs whether you know it or not so that’s a statement that is always false
Second it’s a kitschy saying but it’s not proof of a simulation.
well of course. but the fact remains, i try
anyways, i was agreeing with you, with my comment. reinforcing/restating it differently.
just throwin that out there.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Tulipslave]
#26594467 - 04/11/20 10:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I thought you were saying this is one.
Either way I find the whole question pointless since there is no way to prove it.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
#26594472 - 04/11/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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If we cant prove its a simulation, how do we prove something is "real"? What are the parameters for something to be considered "real"?
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that dog is just insanely old. you can see the tail move before he touches it. old dogs with bad hips stand super super still like that. the dog is probably also nearly blind and freeze is a type of startle response
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LogicaL Chaos said: If we cant prove its a simulation, how do we prove something is "real"? What are the parameters for something to be considered "real"?
The sad reality is there is no way to know if all this is “real” or not. That’s a question as old as philosophy and it has no answer.
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#26594818 - 04/12/20 01:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Niffla, many ghost reports are of ghosts doing repeated behaviours such as walking up the stairs for example. Its gotta be some kind of looping time-glitch.....
Logic if ghosts are real I do think it would be in the form of residual spiritual energy. In the form of a loop of sorts. Like a spirit caught in a glitch doing the same thing over and over again.
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#26594828 - 04/12/20 01:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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If that is the case...then most humans are apparitions! Dun dun dun.
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#26594832 - 04/12/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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#26594896 - 04/12/20 02:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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What bugs me about simulation theory is what is the simulation inside of then? Another simulated realityr?
Its an infinite problem thus makes no sense.
How many simulations are there before the actual reality?
And then whats does that reality be?
Ends up back at square 1.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: HappySloth]
#26594924 - 04/12/20 03:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Where does the simulation end and the Actual Reality Begin?! 
Niffla, that's definitely my theory of why ghosts exist right there. Spirits stuck in a previous time who are not ready to leave yet. A spirit form reality glitch if you will.
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