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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla]
#26592677 - 04/11/20 04:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Niffla said: Like The Matrix or somethin.
Hey Logic get your ass in here, this is your expertise
I'm watching some show called Paranormal Caught on Camera and they showed some videos taken by people where there appears to be...like real life glitching.
Like this jetliner in Dallas that appears to be stuck
And then this dog that appears on pause until the owner touches him/her


It's entirely likely. We could be in some supercomputer testing different physics properties to find their own in order to predict everything that is coming in their future. We could be some weird little side-effect in this program.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Niffla] 1
#26592720 - 04/11/20 04:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fibonacci numbers are used to create technical indicators using a mathematical sequence developed by the Italian mathematician, commonly referred to as "Fibonacci," in the 13th century. The sequence of numbers, starting with zero and one, is created by adding the previous two numbers.
The Fibonacci sequence appears in nature because it represents structures and sequences that model physical reality. ... When the underlying mechanism that puts components together to form a spiral they naturally conform to that numeric sequence.

https://newearthknowledge.com/2019/11/22/proof-intelligent-design/
This to me could be a reasonable indicator of the simulation.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: HappySloth] 1
#26592737 - 04/11/20 04:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26592963 - 04/11/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm pretty fascinated with the whole "matrix/simulation" theory. It's certainly interesting, but that being said...
Those dancing plant videos have been around for a bit now. It's just someone with some fishing line, a camera, and some time to kill.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: 1234go]
#26592970 - 04/11/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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A simulation a a 70s porno gone real bad in a good way
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26593136 - 04/11/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Purely for entertainment.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: HappySloth]
#26593166 - 04/11/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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HappySloth said: No man thats the ground effect, displaced air from landing the aircraft has no where to go as the craft nears the ground; thus the plane can slow down to a near hover.
Not a glitch in the simulation, just basic aerodynamics I'm afraid.
I think things like the mathematics of the universe such as the golden ratio etc are a better argument indicator for simulation theory.
Mathematics actually disproves that we are in a simulation though and the golden ratio proves nothing
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
#26593460 - 04/11/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said:
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HappySloth said: No man thats the ground effect, displaced air from landing the aircraft has no where to go as the craft nears the ground; thus the plane can slow down to a near hover.
Not a glitch in the simulation, just basic aerodynamics I'm afraid.
I think things like the mathematics of the universe such as the golden ratio etc are a better argument indicator for simulation theory.
Mathematics actually disproves that we are in a simulation though and the golden ratio proves nothing
How is that possible? Didn’t Elon Musk of all people support the simulation theory
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Led Zeppelin]
#26593482 - 04/11/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I dont support the simulation theory but such thought experiments are very fun to do.
Edit: and if it is a simulation then there would HAVE to be a way to stress the system so much that it would become unpredictable and eventually crash.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Led Zeppelin]
#26593599 - 04/11/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said:
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HappySloth said: No man thats the ground effect, displaced air from landing the aircraft has no where to go as the craft nears the ground; thus the plane can slow down to a near hover.
Not a glitch in the simulation, just basic aerodynamics I'm afraid.
I think things like the mathematics of the universe such as the golden ratio etc are a better argument indicator for simulation theory.
Mathematics actually disproves that we are in a simulation though and the golden ratio proves nothing
How is that possible? Didn’t Elon Musk of all people support the simulation theory
Elon Musk is a nut bar punching above his weight class. His arguments for it aren’t even mathematical, it pretty much amount to “we exist therefor we are in a simulation”. It’s not even wrong .
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: spirit_shadow]
#26593609 - 04/11/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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One logical theory is that WE will create simulations if we reached the peak of technological maturity. Thats when there's no more technology to develop in the universe, we did it all. Why spend any more energy on physical development? Logically, we would rather simulate reality. In the seemingly infinite span of time, all the dice rolls will land an infinite number of times. That means a human race has made it to technological maturity, and will have created simulations. And this reality that we share right here right now very well could be one of those simulations.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: trees]
#26593616 - 04/11/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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That isn’t a mathematical or logical argument it’s just pure speculation at best and the actual math doesn’t support it.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: trees]
#26593621 - 04/11/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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and then there would be more simulated realities than real ones, making it likely we are in a simulation vs. the real deal
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26593631 - 04/11/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: and then there would be more simulated realities than real ones, making it likely we are in a simulation vs. the real deal
Not at all.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: sh4d0ws] 1
#26593634 - 04/11/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You could say it's basically infinitely more likely that we are in a simulation than the original simulation. I want to believe that mathematics is evidence enough that it is a simulation. Physical existence of matter is quantized
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: trees]
#26593660 - 04/11/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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trees said: You could say it's basically infinitely more likely that we are in a simulation than the original simulation. I want to believe that mathematics is evidence enough that it is a simulation. Physical existence of matter is quantized
Except mathematics isn’t evidence that we are. As was mentioned all it is is a thought experiment. Nothing you said is really logical, it’s all just speculation. There isn’t evidence we WILL make a simulation or that it is possible or that this is one, etc.
All it is is a thought experiment that people have taken way too seriously. It’s not falsifiable so it pointless trying to look for “evidence” of it.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
#26593665 - 04/11/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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What do you think about the source or sustinence of of reality? Like, what do you think the substrate might be that upholds this physical dimension?
I think that because it's all quantifiable, it could realistically run on a computer
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: trees]
#26593674 - 04/11/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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trees said: What do you think about the source or sustinence of of reality? Like, what do you think the substrate might be that upholds this physical dimension?
I think that because it's all quantifiable, it could realistically run on a computer
Who says there is one?
But even if something is quantifiable doesn’t mean you can run it on a computer or that you would. Mathematically it is not possible.
The “arguments” for a simulation are so flimsy that they can’t be taken seriously.
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
#26593681 - 04/11/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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In the end does it really even matter?
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Re: Maybe we are actually living in a simulation [Re: Thanatos10]
#26593687 - 04/11/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: That isn’t a mathematical or logical argument it’s just pure speculation at best and the actual math doesn’t support it.
Understanding a base reality through math and physics could be the same as a video AI learning the code of the game it's in, its knowledge would then be limited to the code of said game, which may have no resemblance to the "code" in the human world of its creators. It would still feel as if it had mapped all of reality, when it had only learned to understand some of the code its creators designed
The whole point of the theory is not that most people actually believe it, but that it can't be disproven by anyone that actually grasps the concept.
I prefer interface theory far more though
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