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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: HappySloth] * 1
    #26591176 - 04/10/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

He had a bout of unfortunate solipsism,  forgive me Than if I was a jerk. :thumbup: 

I’ve seen individuals and groups of them attempt to discredit interdependent origination for decades, and I haven’t seen it done once with a rational line of reasoning that held up to any logical scrutiny.  It is the axiom for my earlier story, but I think we’ve all had enough of that.

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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26591181 - 04/10/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I know that I was born and will die (assuming this isn't a simulation), but I am not "one" with anything.




Do you not breath in the oxygen that plants excrete in order to survive?

Where did you even come from if you are not connected to anything else?

How are you even alive if you are not one with nature?  Do you not breath?


This is almost hilarious to me to see people in such denial, such belief in the illusion of seperation.  :lol:


Maya is good.


Please stop breathing and tell me you are not one with anything :lol:




It seems you don't understand what is meant by separateness. I am not "one with nature".




Right, the nature of reality is non-dual,  that’s better than being 1 measly stinking thing  :peyotezen:

But the separation is superficial,  I mean didn’t you literally grow out of your mom attached to an umbilical cord,  she grew ya akin to the way a tree grows an apple!


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26591187 - 04/10/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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didn’t you literally grow out of your mom attached to an umbilical cord,  she grew ya akin to the way a tree grows an apple!





Exactly.

This is why I am laughing at the denial.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26591189 - 04/10/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Right Pat, Correct, I think we just had a mix up there.

No Thanatos ,  reality itself just as it is, it’s nature is non dual.  Non duality is not in opposition to anything, that’s it nature, it’s open like the sky.,  there is nothing that it’s interdependent with, it’s an all encompassing nature, hence the term, hence why it’s beyond distinction of “pitted against” or not pitted against,  even my attempt to convey it falls short.  Look at the cosmos via the sky from your computer,  and tell me if it is pitted against something.  Although our brains may make pitted arguments about the sky , is it really so? How do you divide it in half?

A child can ask a parent something of which it cannot understand, and the parrot back what was said, without understanding any of how why it is correct, true, or right.

And age is relevant because according to long term medical studies that are credible, our brains don’t fully mature and develope until 25-30,  with an margin of error of 5-7.  Margin may be slightly off in that I reviewed that material years ago.  And I asked because it makes a difference in understanding in general, in discernment, in experience, in life,  that’s why.  So I was checking.

The US isn’t keen on respecting their elders as a whole (generalization), but there is wisdom in it.




Elders are just folks from a previous generation stuck in old ways of thinking.

But nonduality is pitted against something, that being duality. It's literally in the word. The "cosmos" as you see it is pitted against something, entropy though that is a losing battle. One can even see duality in nature in the relationship with predator and prey, or competing with mates.

Reality isn't just "is". It's an ongoing "hallucination" in that it's our brains making a best guess of what's out there.

Even if nonduality was the nature of reality (it isn't) I fail to see how that applies to anything else. You can't really build anything off of that and it still leads to the "psychotic episode" you claimed I had. Like I said, there is no love, joy, or anything when you "gaze" into it.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26591192 - 04/10/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
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Thanatos10 said:
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HappySloth said:
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I know that I was born and will die (assuming this isn't a simulation), but I am not "one" with anything.




Do you not breath in the oxygen that plants excrete in order to survive?

Where did you even come from if you are not connected to anything else?

How are you even alive if you are not one with nature?  Do you not breath?


This is almost hilarious to me to see people in such denial, such belief in the illusion of seperation.  :lol:


Maya is good.


Please stop breathing and tell me you are not one with anything :lol:




It seems you don't understand what is meant by separateness. I am not "one with nature".




Right, the nature of reality is non-dual,  that’s better than being 1 measly stinking thing  :peyotezen:

But the separation is superficial,  I mean didn’t you literally grow out of your mom attached to an umbilical cord,  she grew ya akin to the way a tree grows an apple!




That's still separation though, you talk of Maya when it seems like you guys are in denial.

I mean you are also implying there are other "things" to be connected with when you cannot know such.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26591203 - 04/10/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The apple does not see,
that he is the apple and the seed and the tree

he is the soil beneath, he is the wind,
he is time and space, dimension....


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Shenmue]
    #26591210 - 04/10/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I only point it out when I run into ignorant bible thumpers. I can't stand it when people want to throw their religion in my face. I think deep down a lot of those people know its bullshit. Whenever I start ranting about how they're wrong they always interrupt and stop me before I finish my point.  They don't even want to hear what I have to say because they know there's truth to it. They honestly are cowards.




I've never really understood the sheer hatred and venom some people have for religious people. Like I said before, I'm not religious. Haven't been to a church service in well over 20 years.

But I don't hate them. Or think they're cowards. Or think they're lesser. Or think they're stupid. I've met a number of religious people along the way, and a lot of them seemed like good people. Harmless if anything. Of course you do have your very judgmental religious folk, and I do get the disdain for that.

Do some of y'all get bombarded with people trying to force their religion on you or something? What's up with the seething hatred for them?

I don't know I mean maybe I don't look like I'm worth converting or saving but they always leave me alone :lol:

So at best I'm indifferent when it comes to religious people


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26591222 - 04/10/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I only point it out when I run into ignorant bible thumpers. I can't stand it when people want to throw their religion in my face. I think deep down a lot of those people know its bullshit. Whenever I start ranting about how they're wrong they always interrupt and stop me before I finish my point.  They don't even want to hear what I have to say because they know there's truth to it. They honestly are cowards.




I've never really understood the sheer hatred and venom some people have for religious people. Like I said before, I'm not religious. Haven't been to a church service in well over 20 years.

But I don't hate them. Or think they're cowards. Or think they're lesser. Or think they're stupid. I've met a number of religious people along the way, and a lot of them seemed like good people. Harmless if anything. Of course you do have your very judgmental religious folk, and I do get the disdain for that.

Do some of y'all get bombarded with people trying to force their religion on you or something? What's up with the seething hatred for them?

I don't know I mean maybe I don't look like I'm worth converting or saving but they always leave me alone :lol:

So at best I'm indifferent when it comes to religious people




Because it's an easy target. It's like Hitler, if you're cool you say you hate him (not saying I condone what he set into motion obviously).

I'm not sure if it's a few bad apples though. Being gay I have a complicated relationship with religion which hates me for just existing. I don't hate them, but I don't like the influence religion can extend to people who don't practice it.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: HappySloth]
    #26591224 - 04/10/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The apple does not see,
that he is the apple and the seed and the tree

he is the soil beneath, he is the wind,
he is time and space, dimension....




No, apples have no gender.

Also the apple isn't time and space, it's an apple. It's not the soil, it's not the wind, it's just an apple. That's what happens when you take a personal experience to mean something, it clouds everything else.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26591226 - 04/10/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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but I don't like the influence religion can extend to people who don't practice it.





True, true.

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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Niffla]
    #26591228 - 04/10/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You don't understand why some people dislike religion? Some of us was raised in extremely religious family's and have seen the harm it causes.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: shroomening]
    #26591237 - 04/10/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Don't know how it all started, therefore...God


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26591240 - 04/10/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I mean it's hard to not hate them because my life is harder because of their irrational belief that me having sex with a guy is immoral when it has no impact on their own lives. I don't know how this homophobia got started but it's idiotic and I'm sick and tired of it, trying to make me feel bad for something that isn't even harmful.

But they have numbers and power and in a sense I am afraid because of that. They also have the will to do to me what I won't do to them.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26591267 - 04/10/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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You don't understand why some people dislike religion?




No I completely understand why someone would not be down with religion in and of itself. I'm not either.

What I don't understand is holding a bunch of hate & anger inside for any of them. What good does that do. Then again I think holding hate inside for pretty much anyone is completely pointless.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26591271 - 04/10/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I mean it's hard to not hate them because my life is harder because of their irrational belief that me having sex with a guy is immoral when it has no impact on their own lives. I don't know how this homophobia got started but it's idiotic and I'm sick and tired of it, trying to make me feel bad for something that isn't even harmful.

But they have numbers and power and in a sense I am afraid because of that. They also have the will to do to me what I won't do to them.




I'm not in the same boat so I haven't experienced this. But yes I can see how this would make you feel that way. No doubt.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26591273 - 04/10/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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HappySloth said:
The apple does not see,
that he is the apple and the seed and the tree

he is the soil beneath, he is the wind,
he is time and space, dimension....




No, apples have no gender.

Also the apple isn't time and space, it's an apple. It's not the soil, it's not the wind, it's just an apple. That's what happens when you take a personal experience to mean something, it clouds everything else.




:lol:

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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26591274 - 04/10/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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You don't understand why some people dislike religion?




No I completely understand why someone would not be down with religion in and of itself. I'm not either.

What I don't understand is holding a bunch of hate & anger inside for any of them. What good does that do. Then again I think holding hate inside for pretty much anyone is completely pointless.




I do too, which is why I don't "hate" anyone, just temporarily dislike them.

But when they want you dead and burning in hell for simply existing...well...


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: HappySloth]
    #26591276 - 04/10/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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HappySloth said:
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Thanatos10 said:
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HappySloth said:
The apple does not see,
that he is the apple and the seed and the tree

he is the soil beneath, he is the wind,
he is time and space, dimension....




No, apples have no gender.

Also the apple isn't time and space, it's an apple. It's not the soil, it's not the wind, it's just an apple. That's what happens when you take a personal experience to mean something, it clouds everything else.




:lol:

:hug:




You just reinforce my claim that it leads to apathy towards every "thing" else. I mean I would have to throw away romance and friendships for such a view.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: shroomening] * 1
    #26592695 - 04/11/20 04:15 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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If God does not exist - nor a different dimension than ours in which we live - then existence and life are meaningless. You understand that right?

Why care about anything other than yourself then? Nice people finish last, right? Seems that those who worship Satan succeed better in our world than those who worship God.

Strange though, if God did not exist. How can the entire universe just explode into existence - if there is no underlying dimension to explode and start from?




This line of thinking has always frightened me. Would you really be a rapist, thief or murderer in the absence of  God watching you? If everything is meaningless, btw so is happiness, success, everything.

The universe exploded outwards because in the universe before, all of the matter condensed into a timeless singularity. We already know that time slows and slows the closer we get to a black hole. A timeless thing with all of the mass of the universe doesn't seem so absurd.

But why care? Our DNA is nothing more than a virus rearranging the particles of the universe into our self-replicating system. All of your thoughts are electrical currents in an endless ocean of subatomic particles. All of your feelings are tiny chemicals responding to waves inside of this atomic soup. They are not special nor are your thoughts and feelings something you control. The reaction is automatic and the release is conditioned by the DNA virus that you replicated from or from previous reactions which carved tiny little runways to tell the chemicals when and where to go.

I see that and I know it to be true but I still seek happiness. I can only know feelings up until the moment I die. I might as well make the best of it.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10] * 2
    #26592760 - 04/11/20 05:15 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Consciousness is the only thing I know exists.

I think therefore I am.

I am that which cannot be doubted.

Matter can be an illusion.  It can be doubted.


This is why matter cannot be primary and consciousness is.


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