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Slow fruits?
    #26589150 - 04/09/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys so a few days ago my APE tub started to pin and a few have been popping up every day but I feel as if they are taking so long. Did 6 jars of spawn into coco coir. Tub has been kept between 70-75 degrees 12hr on off lighting and there are beads of moisture on the surface. What would cause such slow growth?



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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: Myc097]
    #26589185 - 04/09/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Have you considered sprinkling some coir or coir/verm across the top, turning up the FAE and misting when the coir dries up a little

Or if you can go with a traditional casing that would be optimal as well.


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: Myc097]
    #26589187 - 04/09/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The 2 things I know about the PE strains are 1) they are slow growers and 2) they desperately need to be cased if you want any hope at all for large fruits.

Did you case? How long since you made the tub?


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: metaphoric]
    #26589207 - 04/09/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This is my first attempt at PE the tub was spawned on the 30th there are knots everywhere and all I have is coco coir at the moment there are a few pins as you can see could I case in coir only?


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: Myc097]
    #26589216 - 04/09/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yep.

I get it hydrated to FC. Then microwave it in a quart jar/s for around 3-4 mins then once it cools  [spread out in a plate or tray] i just sprinkle it over the surface as evenly and airy as possible. 1/8-1/4" or so

Keep it misted when the top begins to go light brown.

Thats how i did this one just last week



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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: shevanel]
    #26589270 - 04/09/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What are the better options for casing ive read allot about peat/Verm and jiffy mix but I can’t seem to find them near my house at all?


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: Myc097]
    #26589273 - 04/09/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

For early casing the peat is better but for late casing coir is perfectly fine if the sub is already colonized and beggining to knot. If not there is a chance the sub will try to colonize the coir case.

Youll need to pastuerize and use the proper additives for the peat casing.


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: shevanel]
    #26589278 - 04/09/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Where do you even get peat,gypsum etc. I can’t find anywhere around where I’m at rn.


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: Myc097]
    #26589279 - 04/09/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Stand alone garden joints. The internet. I get gyspum from amazon but i only use in substrates occasionaly. I mostly use gypsum for millet grain prep so a $10 1lb bag will last a long time.


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: shevanel]
    #26589295 - 04/09/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So this is what I have now. What do I do from this point?just spray when dry? What’s the actual point of a casing? This is my first time at doing this and I’m confused on what I’d does and when to do it. Thank you so much for your help it’s truly appreciated!!!!!!



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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: Myc097]
    #26589304 - 04/09/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Too dry. Before you mist and get the sides wet take a towel and wipe that wall crust off then give it some misting until its SLIGHTLY near saturated then leave it be for a while. When it gets to that light brown dry color again then mist. If you get the casing too wet just leave the top off or fan as itll dry from the surface of the coir quite rapidly.

The casing provides moisture at the surface level more consistently as evaporation occurs to help induce pinning while also providing the knots a boost in humidity to form primordia, again, by providing ample moisture at the surface level.

Provide ample FAE and continue to Mist to keep that casing looking nice and moist [not saturated] Once the pins come through the casing youre golden.


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: shevanel]
    #26589315 - 04/09/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So basically I should expect to see fruits popping up through the casing layer at this point not colonization of the casing then?


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: Myc097]
    #26589317 - 04/09/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Correct. If fruting conditions did not change and the sub is fully colonized  [it appears to be] you should see pins poking through in the next 12-36 hours id say.


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: Myc097]
    #26589321 - 04/09/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Normally you put the casing on before pins form. Then the casing gets partially colonized then pins pop.

I'll be very interested tho follow this tub because I'm eager to see affects of a late casing.

Looks good though 👍 hopefully it's nice and thin, especially since it went down so late.


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: shevanel]
    #26589324 - 04/09/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Sweet!!!! I left the larger ones uncased just because their at about a half inch but all of the little blobs I left covered! I appreciate all of the info you have been giving me you’re very helpful!!!! I kept the casing very thin and I will update when/if I get pins!!!


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: metaphoric]
    #26589327 - 04/09/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This is a late cased tub. Casing in pic is wet due to top and bottom watering but still provided a killer pinset from MS.


That tub spit out nearly 7oz


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: shevanel]
    #26589332 - 04/09/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

whistles that is an awful perty tub. What made you decide to case late on that one?


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: shevanel]
    #26589337 - 04/09/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This tub is MS APE. I thought the jars were useless but after a month they colonized and then ripped through the coir in like 5 days. I’m hoping with this basic casing it will fruit a decent yield I was skeptical before but you seem like you know your stuff!


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: metaphoric]
    #26589339 - 04/09/20 05:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It works well when you need fae for pinning but RH is low.


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: shevanel]
    #26589384 - 04/09/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Would it help if I put in my room? I run a fan when I sleep ant just use an unmodified sterilite tub with the lid flipped. It’s not the best tub for the job but I can get good droplets on the surface.


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: Myc097]
    #26589398 - 04/09/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Whatever works to provide enough evaporation from fae and minimal misting without the surface going bone dry.


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: Myc097]
    #26589400 - 04/09/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Idk what kind of room they're in now but moving air is always welcome as long as you don't let it dry out.


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: shevanel]
    #26589402 - 04/09/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ok I will just fan it it’s in my reptile room rn very steady heat in there about 75 degrees!


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: Myc097]
    #26589408 - 04/09/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

75f is golden. Durung your light cycle if you can get that source close to the lid so it hits that casing.


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: shevanel]
    #26589423 - 04/09/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The whole room stays about that temp 24/7 due to heat lamps and pads from the tanks and occasionally my dehydrator running!


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: Myc097]
    #26589425 - 04/09/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Should be fine. Just check on the casing tomorrow and mist IF it needs it. If too wet rotate or take lid off for while to allow some evaporation to occur. If it doesnt need misting but isnt as wet as it first was then it could be dialed in so just wait.


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    #26589430 - 04/09/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ok will do! I’ll keep this post updated!


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: shevanel]
    #26589451 - 04/09/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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shevanel said:
Yep.

I get it hydrated to FC. Then microwave it in a quart jar/s for around 3-4 mins then once it cools  [spread out in a plate or tray] i just sprinkle it over the surface as evenly and airy as possible. 1/8-1/4" or so





WAOW NOICE

I was thinking of doing an outdoor open air shoebox with the coir layer on top and keep it moist
cuz Im finna live in the jungle soon

would this be a good idea?


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: Kernel Flanders]
    #26589479 - 04/09/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I suppose so. Jungle eh?


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Re: Slow fruits? [Re: shevanel]
    #26589480 - 04/09/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I suppose so. Jungle eh?




Yeah I gotta prepare for the apocalypse so this is the best time to stock up


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