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Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic
    #26588946 - 04/09/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

This tub took about three weeks to colonize and give knots with about 55%bulk/45%spawn ratio. This picture is where we are at coming to the end of the 4th week total from spawning and the 8th day in fruiting conditions.

It just seems like these are taking so much longer than my other grows. My MS golden Teacher was ready to harvest 21 days after spawning the tub and grew like crazy. I'm not in a rush just looking for some confirmation that this is normal.

*Just a side note - The colonization in the jar was much faster than any other grow I've done just not after I've spawned.

I am using a LC made from an monoculture isolate and I was told it was "Taj Mahal" strain which I think is also considered "Keepers Creeper". I know names mean little but this is just the info I was given.

Spawn - Monoculture LC Spawned to WBS millet based in quart jars
Bulk sub - 45% Hpoo - 45% Coco - 10% Verm - Sterilized
This tub had 5 jars spawn and 6 jars of bulk.

These are being kept inside a tent at 76F. I lite mist 1 to 2 times a day and fan 3 to 4 times a day. 

Is it normal for pins to take so long to grow?
There seem to be a lot of "pig tail" style pins growing in swirls. I heard that could be normal with Keepers Creepers, do you guys agree?



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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: Andrewboone]
    #26588966 - 04/09/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Looks indicative of low fae/high c02 at the sub level. Also, what kind of light are you using.

Is this the only tub growing from that LC currently ?

Are you fanning the tent out or directing your manual fanning in towards the tubs?


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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: shevanel]
    #26588978 - 04/09/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Looks indicative of low fae at the sub level. Also, what kind of light are you using.




I can try to fan more. It's got 4 holes in the tub two slightly above the sub and two a little higher. The poly-fill is about as loose as I can get it. Should I maybe put a fan in the tent?

I have a really bright LED style lamp inside the tent that stays on 12 to 16 hours a day.


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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: Andrewboone]
    #26588990 - 04/09/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

In my experience some varieties/cultures/genetics do great with led and sometimes they do not. Every once in a while some do not react well to just a particular led source while positively reacting to another.

Can you obtain a 6500k cfl?

No i would not put a fan inside the tent if it were mine.

How are the humidity levels?

Can we get some pics of the setup


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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: shevanel]
    #26589015 - 04/09/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I will get a CFL in there tonight to see if that helps. I have multiple tubs at different stages so I can see if it helps with the up and coming tubs.

I don't yet have a humidity meter but the walls of the tub stay pretty fogged and I try to mist anytime I feel it is getting dry.

Here are some pics of the setup (Please note photography is not my strong suit)



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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: Andrewboone]
    #26589049 - 04/09/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Do you leave that tent closed up most of the time?

What are you stuffing the holes in those tubs with? If thats poly why is all brown

Looks dense and too large id leave that shit out if the RH isnt too terribly low.

No offense but i do not like how youve made your monotubs and tbh the grow tent is redundant if not using a humidifier with trays or shoeboxes.

Get the CFL just to have for if you need it but seriously now that i see the entirity of the grow i believe that tub in the op is from a  serious lack of FAE.

I would perhaps recant my statement regarding the fan and get some light indirect air current around those tubs.


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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: shevanel]
    #26589085 - 04/09/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Do you leave that tent closed up most of the time?

What are you stuffing the holes in those tubs with? If thats poly why is all brown

Looks dense and too large id leave that shit out if the RH isnt too terribly low.

No offense but i do not like how youve made your monotubs and tbh the grow tent is redundant if not using a humidifier with trays or shoeboxes.

Get the CFL just to have for if you need it but seriously i believe that tub in the op is from a  serious lack of FAE.





The tent stays closed 95% of the time. I mainly have the tent setup as somewhat of a clean area to noc jars. I also use the tent to keep the temp slightly higher than my house. my house stays around 68F I keep the tent around 74F to 76F. 

It is poly it's just brown. Because of the virus stuff its been difficult to get certain supplies. This is sterilized poly though it's just brown.

I will pull the poly out and see if I can keep the humidity up.

How can I improve my tubs?

I am fanning manually about 4 times a day (Sorry didn't see the question before)
There are 2 smaller tubs with the same LC on the same schedule and one larger tub about a week behind it and three tubs still sealed that was spawned 4 days ago. All of these are are the same LC and pretty consistent with the rate they grow.


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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: Andrewboone]
    #26589099 - 04/09/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ok just get those tubs some air. Take out the poly on the tall sides leave the low sides. See if that helps. Adjust accordingly if you need.

Just get those tubs some air while maintaining humidity and surface moisture hopefully you get on track.

You shouldn't have to fan monos if dialed in properly. Maybe the tent is limiting air current therefore impeding automation. Perhaps put the shelving/outside of the tent or leave the tent door open more often.

Just my 2c

Good luck


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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: shevanel]
    #26591381 - 04/10/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Followed advice. Things seem to be doing better. I had a lot of aborts from the early pins but the later and more abundant pins picked up and took off. Along with bad FAE I believe I was over misting. I got a small hydrometer and we are at hoovering 85% to 90% humidity without any further misting. I'm just going to leave it alone and I think I will have a harvest in a few days.

Thanks!


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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: Andrewboone]
    #26591403 - 04/10/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Awesome. Cant wait to hear how the harvest goes.


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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: shevanel]
    #26591419 - 04/10/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Air and proper light


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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: Enkidu]
    #26655578 - 05/07/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I was finally able to dial these in. Second flush from my large tub:



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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: Andrewboone]
    #26655637 - 05/07/20 05:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That is a beautiful pile of fruits, well done. I'm planning a similar set up with a monotubs + tent, as my house is normally about 60f and I can't increase the ambient temperature of the room.

Did you have a heater in the tent, or just the heat from the light?

Any tips on getting it dialed in?


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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: MrMong]
    #26655687 - 05/07/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Nice whats the dry weight?

No pic of the canopy ..?

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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: Andrewboone]
    #26655957 - 05/07/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I was finally able to dial these in. Second flush from my large tub:






Some wild looking GT.


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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: MrMong]
    #26656289 - 05/07/20 11:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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That is a beautiful pile of fruits, well done. I'm planning a similar set up with a monotubs + tent, as my house is normally about 60f and I can't increase the ambient temperature of the room.

Did you have a heater in the tent, or just the heat from the light?

Any tips on getting it dialed in?




Thanks! I was kinda in the same boat with the temps. I keep a small space heater in there with a window unzipped. I have the heater set on low with a wireless remote thermostat. I keep it set at about 72F to 74F (Don't forget the temp in your tubs will be a few degrees higher) I also use the tent to do my jars and LC. I've had very very very good success doing sterile work in the tent. 

One of the things I learned was to leave a window open on the tent or leave the door open from time to time to keep air flowing through.

Get you a couple of the 6500K CFL to put in there. My tubs responded better once I added these.

I don't use liners because I seem to get the same yields either way. Maybe a little more because of the side pins. I always like to rotate the tubs in the light ever day or so when they are about to knot & pin. Doing this seems to give me a little better pin set. 

I can't give to many suggestions because every setup, location, and mushroom is different. Experiment around. I usually have 3 to 4 tubs going at a time. A lot of times I will do them two different ways to see which outcome I like better and go from there.
Just play around with it. There are some basic principles for cubes and as long as you stay in those parameters the rest is your and the mushrooms preference. I'm still somewhat a noob myself but its getting to the point that the mushrooms are starting to tell me what they want.


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    #26656295 - 05/07/20 11:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

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I was finally able to dial these in. Second flush from my large tub:






Some wild looking GT.




Thanks!! Those are Taj Mahal. They grow long skinny with a kinda pointy cap. I have some GT's about to start though.

Not sure of the dry weight yet. They are in the dehydrator as we speak. I'm going to say 4 to 5 dry OZ though.


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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: Andrewboone]
    #26656638 - 05/08/20 05:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Nice harvest


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Re: Monotub & Pins Growing Slow - W/Pic [Re: Andrewboone]
    #26657180 - 05/08/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Andrewboone said:
Quote:

shevanel said:
Quote:

Andrewboone said:
I was finally able to dial these in. Second flush from my large tub:






Some wild looking GT.




Thanks!! Those are Taj Mahal. They grow long skinny with a kinda pointy cap. I have some GT's about to start though.

Not sure of the dry weight yet. They are in the dehydrator as we speak. I'm going to say 4 to 5 dry OZ though.




Ah yes that explains it. Could have swore you said they were gt.


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