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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26587420 - 04/08/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes the big stubby one. You can harvest and out in the fridge but. Why not use the dehydrator?




Well, first off, I never had fresh, and would like to try some that way before drying. I don't think I am going to get a huge amount from this initial yield. But it looks like more were ready than I thought, so I picked them. Will post pics of my yield in a sec.

As for dehydrating, here is my thought, tell me if its reasonable. Anything I intend to eat within the next few days to a week, would I be all right to just put them in the fridge in a baggie for now, and start drying the ones I don't want to eat in that short time?

The reason is I really want to get to bed as I need to be up by like 6:00AM and its almost Midnight. Also, honestly, I haven't used that dehydrator in a long, long time. I don't even know if it works. If not, I will need to buy another. In other words, I'm not quite ready to dry just yet.

UNLESS you tell me I really need to. In which case, I will bite the bullet and dry them now?


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26587442 - 04/08/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I can't tell you what to do. Trust your intuition.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26587477 - 04/08/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I can't tell you what to do. Trust your intuition.




No, no, of course not! I wouldn't put that burden on you, my friend. What I was asking for is will they keep for a few days, a week, or more in the fridge without going bad? I will try and get my dehydrator up in time for the next harvest.

In the meantime...wow look at these pics:


Pic 1 is just them all piled into a bowl so I could tare and weigh them all.

Pic 2 is the weight, a massive 72.9 grams!

Pic 3 is them all laid out. Was I wrong to take some of those smaller ones? Not that I could help it, because some were attached to the larger ones. But are those on the extreme right not only small, but picked too early?






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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26587502 - 04/08/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry for the double post. But will they keep in the fridge like this, without dehydrating? If so, for about how long before they need to be eaten or dried? I am thinking a week, maybe two? Not sure, though.

Thanks so much!!!



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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26587520 - 04/08/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

God DAMN! :incredible:

Epic first grow! U did your homework for sure! Its definitely paying off now! Went from total n00b to having tons of shrooms, all in one go. Unrealz.

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Waaaaaay better than my first grow (PMP set-up). And nice perlite depth. Mines around that thick and it worka great with the SGFC! :thumbup:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26587537 - 04/08/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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God DAMN! :incredible:

Epic first grow! U did your homework for sure! Its definitely paying off now! Went from total n00b to having tons of shrooms, all in one go. Unrealz.

:justastonishing:

Waaaaaay better than my first grow (PMP set-up). And nice perlite depth. Mines around that thick and it worka great with the SGFC! :thumbup:




Thank you so much, brother! Its mostly thanks to the awesome advice you guys have offered me.

I am definitely going to break out my old food dehydrator tomorrow. I think it will work moving forward. In the meantime, I really was NOT expecting to be picking shrooms this soon. I really thought I had a ways to go yet. So my question is, if I don't dehydrate the above 70+ grams, how long will they keep in the fridge in the container I posted before they have to be eaten or dried?

Thanks again, everyone!!

Wow...I can actually trip this weekend. Totally didn't see that coming. :mushroom2:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26587539 - 04/08/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Shrooms can last about a week in the fridge if they are fresh and about two to three weeks in the freezer.

If u can, try a fresh shroom trip. Very much worth it.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26587552 - 04/08/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Shrooms can last about a week in the fridge if they are fresh and about two to three weeks in the freezer.

If u can, try a fresh shroom trip. Very much worth it.




That is TOTALLY the plan, dude!

I never did fresh before. Decades ago, only did dried, and I have no clue what the potency was or how good they were. As for dosage, what would you recommend in terms of grams of fresh?

Here is my concern or worry: Some of those really smaller ones in the pics, I read have monster potency for their size. Not sure if this is true. Because if it is, then how do I know how much to take?

My understanding is a ratio of 1:10 dried to fresh?

So if I want, say a trip equivalent to 2 grams dry, then would I simply eat 20 grams of fresh? Also, should I be factoring in higher potency on the really smaller, tiny ones? Or is that not even really a thing?


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26587565 - 04/08/20 10:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah fresh is about 10x heavier than dried. So 1 gram dried is about 10 grams wet (on average).

Aborts are really potent by weight, but small shrooms arent super potent in my experience. I would recommend 20-25 fresh grams for a first dose or a small handful of shrooms.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26587577 - 04/08/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Cool! What about starting with 20, see how I feel and then taking another 5 or 10 in an hour or two? I’ve heard that the potency of the trip doesn’t multiply when you take more later, but you could extend the trip a little? Or do you think 20 would just be too low? Bear in mind I haven’t done this in a very long time, and I don’t know what I actually ate on the several occasions I was sold shrooms.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26587583 - 04/08/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

20 grams fresh is a safe bet. Just make sure they havent dried out any. They should feel heavy and moist to the touch.

And yeah, it extends the trip and brings u up a bit when u redose later.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26587589 - 04/08/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Oh wow, I’m glad you mentioned that, I hadn’t thought of the fact that they could dry out between then and now even in the fridge and a closed container that’s air tight. I’m assuming they won’t dry out too much in two days though right? I intend to trip Saturday morning which is two days and a few hours from now. Also, based on what you just said, I’m going to go by the weight that they are now, and if they reduce any in weight I’ll calculate how much was lost due to evaporation, or at least I’ll try LOL before deciding how much to take. So if the total loss, for instance on the 70+ grams ends up being, say 7 g then I’ll know I lost 10% of the weight and will have to adjust my dosage accordingly?

So if I lost 10% of the weight, then instead of taking 20 g, that would actually be 18 g I guess. Etc. etc.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26587605 - 04/08/20 10:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Correct. If its in a air tight container, u should be fine. If its out in the open, dry air could dry them without u knowing. But usually they wrinkle up when they are partially dried. But definitely a good idea to weigh them before putting in the fridge/freezer to track their weights over time.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26587909 - 04/09/20 03:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Wauw dude that's totally a successful first run fruiting cskes no doubt about that :cheers:
And I apologize for my bad communication at times, my EGO sucks sometimes lol
A sidenote, Cubensis are around 93.5% water on avergare but lest say between 90-95% leaning much more often toward 95% water than 90% IME and majority of growers I talk to. I usually end up with 60g dried from a kilogram of fresh fruits.

Here is the Sigil I activated the other day it says 'LSA Woodrose grows mushrooms successfully now and in future grows'


Once again congrats to a successful first SGFC grow :hatsoff: can't take credit for the Magick Sigil it all you :lol: and 35.000 posts i this thread :lmafo:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Mateja]
    #26587933 - 04/09/20 03:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Lemme compensate for weird posting with some useful pics of how micro climate can look on top of substrates. (let's call it compensation for double post as well)

Here's some visual information when it comes to creating the sought after micro climate on nearly all substrates when you're fruiting cubes. These cakes I'm posting pics of were not rolled in verm (experimenting again) and they were put inside the 'Liquid Mushroom Factory Tub' lol its just water inside a tub (I guess I'm experimenting) a few days later and still I'm doing different things to them to see how it affects micro climates and fruit formstion.


Some cakes have been completely rolled in hydrated coir about a week inside the 'Dihydrogen Monoxide Pastic Container'. Some have only been rolled around the vertical edge of the cakes, some have only received a top layer on the top of the cakes (at different rates, I'm still doing different stuff as I get new ideas) and a few have been left as they are, not being rolled in anything. I actually didn't even have add a verm layer when I made the BRF substrates to be honest. Now pay attention on the 'naked' cakes and notice the micro droplets sitting on top, and the myc has that hydrophobic look to it, they don't look soaked at all but at the same time they're covered in healthy amounts of water and can evaporate off with ease as soon as I increase FAE which I've been playing a lil with.


Anyway this is the aestetics of the microclimate that's somewhat generally agreed upon as being 'perceived' as close to ideal. Make sure to zoom in unless you have that 20/20 vision. I have 420/365 vee-shun




And this is the 'Solution (as in liquid, but also pun) in the' Water Tub'. You can see bits of coir in the H2o, it just a ghost of the former FC which must not be named :lol: jk. Looks weird ha? :typing:




Also you may notice the resemblance to the microclimate on top of my bulk substrates which have recently started fruiting a few days ago. It's so much alike the climate inside the Age-See setup basically cause it's exactly the same principle

so can't really say I invented not developed anything regarding how I'm fruiting cakes lol, but I'm still fruiting cakes my way (the experimental way)


I posted these pics so you can clearly see the difference between well moisturized substrates with the 'water repellent-looking healthy myc' in contrast to the matted down substrates surfaces from too much misting and under those circumstances the myc suddenly doesn't look so hydrophobic and healthy anymore. This is in my opinion of course, how I personally judge substrate surfaces and what terminology I use to describe 'the unknown' (".. but Rabbi, why do you always speak in parables? - Verily I say unto thee, have ye not yet understood why I speak in parables, truly you never will) :bongload:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Mateja] * 1
    #26588025 - 04/09/20 05:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks everyone! Mateah, thanks for the very detailed and informative posts as always. I want to respond specifically to points, but first a question.

I took these pics below. These Barbie Dream-Shrooms are very small, and I was wondering if these little guys need to be picked, or if I can leave them.

Pics 1 through 3 are small, but pic 4 is kind of small to medium. Note: I am only talking about the darker ones in all these pics, not any of the lighter, colored and less developed ones.






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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26588044 - 04/09/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Cool pics but youre picking them a little too late. Once the cap starts going flat, youre in that spore-drop time-window. Its important to pick your shrooms right when the veil breaks whenever possible.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26588072 - 04/09/20 05:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah you can pick them earlier.

Congrats on being a cultivator. I remember reading a post years ago when people were talking about dosing and how much is just enough to eat. RR pop's up and says that the best way to dose a trip is put a pile of shrooms on a table and just start eating. Lol

When your full your done. Or something like that.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26588182 - 04/09/20 07:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

On the topic of eating fresh mushrooms, consider cooking them in some way. Cubes are pretty delicious and it won't hurt potency. It will also help them digest easier and eliminates any gastrointestinal distress. Well, in my experience anyway.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: TheWitchfinder]
    #26588246 - 04/09/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

When there is a small mushroom that seems to have an open cap and looks as though it never had a veil are usually picked immediately when noticed. they don't get much bigger and the potential For spores to drop is greater.
All in all your grow looks great. Nice work!


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