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    #26587854 - 04/09/20 02:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The West is the individual's strange call to a certain promise of a transcendental freedom in the future, taken collectively, something more dear to human yearnings than the church was able to promise, something more realistic and applicable to our state of affairs, a kind of evolution of man's social and spiritual principles now that he was safe; a kind of certainty that freedom is a standard and if only we could base our vulnerability on moral principles, the highest set of which is moral autonomy, instead of mortality, that we could be fearless because our conviction cannot be destroyed, whereas the body and the ego are in a milieu of many probabilities and relies on the parameter of being fortunate. The common man's basic instinct is that his body and its basicness must be preserved. The higher, far more plentiful approach to life in the West is that we must base our preservation on moral principles and the resultant gestalts that pertain to a higher social, spiritual and perceptual life, such that we never get to the point where we demand the body and ego must be preserved, for that is a lower side effect of following the freed psyche into an experience of morally obtained meaning, empowerment and perception, which finally and utterly eclipses the parameters that give rise to existential fears and gives life the ante of not a journey from birth to death but from birth to rebirth and renewal, and cyclic death; that is, merciless and repeated submersion into the essential human qualities which drive the stark premise that we even want to exist at all, and exhausting the momentum each time, on the now emboldened forecast that the truth, however we find it through our human apprehension of our very own selves, shall set us free.

Thanks for reading and I hope you got something out of what I had to say. :smile:

We need a new 70s.

Really.

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Re: The West [Re: lostintimenspc]
    #26587863 - 04/09/20 02:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Are you going to mass this Sunday?


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Re: The West [Re: sudly]
    #26587872 - 04/09/20 02:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

No?

What's your angle there? I mention the church in reference to separation of church and state.

I reject the church and say we have evolved past it, keeping the same effective principles intact, at least among our intelligentsia.


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Re: The West [Re: lostintimenspc]
    #26587926 - 04/09/20 03:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What do you think it might take for society to transcend?

America is on a trajectory to oblivion this weekend.


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Re: The West [Re: sudly]
    #26587952 - 04/09/20 04:17 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Mortality. Society needs to switch off the bio-survival circuit and go up to the 5th circuit. What is fear of death? It's an a concrete thing, is it... Death is some kind of presence in the lower circuits of consciousness that makes us form strategies for survival. Society is our strategy for survival now, we need to turn off the circuit and go higher.

That is to say, we need to be high. They were high in the 70s. We need to advance cognition to an extent, personally, so that we are high all the time. Terence McKenna talks a lot about this.

Really, the best tool to understanding anything, is your mind, and this applies to the present moment. What is this?

An LSD trip, according to Hoffman himself, is simply a magnification of the present...

:lsd:

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Re: The West [Re: lostintimenspc]
    #26588023 - 04/09/20 05:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

New 70s would likely be just the same as the old 70s. As it always has the world needs something fresh, but there's no real telling what form it might take if something does come. It could be a totally unprecedented and unexpected direction.


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Re: The West [Re: lostintimenspc] * 1
    #26588056 - 04/09/20 05:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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lostintimenspc said:
The West is the individual's strange call to a certain promise of a transcendental freedom in the future, taken collectively, something more dear to human yearnings than the church was able to promise, something more realistic and applicable to our state of affairs, a kind of evolution of man's social and spiritual principles now that he was safe; a kind of certainty that freedom is a standard and if only we could base our vulnerability on moral principles, the highest set of which is moral autonomy, instead of mortality, that we could be fearless because our conviction cannot be destroyed, whereas the body and the ego are in a milieu of many probabilities and relies on the parameter of being fortunate. The common man's basic instinct is that his body and its basicness must be preserved. The higher, far more plentiful approach to life in the West is that we must base our preservation on moral principles and the resultant gestalts that pertain to a higher social, spiritual and perceptual life, such that we never get to the point where we demand the body and ego must be preserved, for that is a lower side effect of following the freed psyche into an experience of morally obtained meaning, empowerment and perception, which finally and utterly eclipses the parameters that give rise to existential fears and gives life the ante of not a journey from birth to death but from birth to rebirth and renewal, and cyclic death; that is, merciless and repeated submersion into the essential human qualities which drive the stark premise that we even want to exist at all, and exhausting the momentum each time, on the now emboldened forecast that the truth, however we find it through our human apprehension of our very own selves, shall set us free.

Thanks for reading and I hope you got something out of what I had to say. :smile:

We need a new 70s.

Really.

:heart:



I agree with your values, and I think they have come out of the west but are not values of the west, but human values.
The separation of church and state, the end of slavery, the end of racism, depends upon a charter of rights and freedoms which is something some countries like Canada (in the west)  have been working with, and other countries have been experimenting with and extending.

We do have to go further than Canada to protect the bodies and minds of all citizens (people): basic income, basic shelter, basic education, basic communications, basic access to all services. Beyond the basics, we have to open up to amazing possibilities in creativity and commerce, as well as environmental conservation and exploration.

keep it basic and real, so no McKenna, hahah!


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Re: The West [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26588172 - 04/09/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You agree with "merciless and repeated submersion" in discomfort leading to an 'exhaustion of the momentum' of the will to live?


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Re: The West [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26588205 - 04/09/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

not a chance - let me re-read,
ahh, yes, I see the verbiage!
this is an extrapolation that I do not consider valid, and there are a few, all of which subtend from superstition (theories of afterlife and god(s)), and not from the basic realities of human life, and ensuring that with that life, rights and freedoms are offered and accessible.


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Re: The West [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26588213 - 04/09/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think the OP's 'West' can be traced to a Hell's Angels source.


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Re: The West [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26588329 - 04/09/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hells angels are only half bad.

that's why they are angels, but of course the name is all superstition


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Re: The West [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26588366 - 04/09/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The attribution of Hell might be a designation of the lack of free will in pawns that can be eradicated without explanation in support of a cause.


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Re: The West [Re: Buster_Brown] * 1
    #26588622 - 04/09/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

license to be bullies - simpler and more meaningful


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Re: The West [Re: lostintimenspc]
    #26589689 - 04/09/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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lostintimenspc said:
The West is the individual's strange call to a certain promise of a transcendental freedom in the future, taken collectively, something more dear to human yearnings than the church was able to promise, something more realistic and applicable to our state of affairs, a kind of evolution of man's social and spiritual principles now that he was safe; a kind of certainty that freedom is a standard and if only we could base our vulnerability on moral principles, the highest set of which is moral autonomy, instead of mortality, that we could be fearless because our conviction cannot be destroyed, whereas the body and the ego are in a milieu of many probabilities and relies on the parameter of being fortunate. The common man's basic instinct is that his body and its basicness must be preserved. The higher, far more plentiful approach to life in the West is that we must base our preservation on moral principles and the resultant gestalts that pertain to a higher social, spiritual and perceptual life, such that we never get to the point where we demand the body and ego must be preserved, for that is a lower side effect of following the freed psyche into an experience of morally obtained meaning, empowerment and perception, which finally and utterly eclipses the parameters that give rise to existential fears and gives life the ante of not a journey from birth to death but from birth to rebirth and renewal, and cyclic death; that is, merciless and repeated submersion into the essential human qualities which drive the stark premise that we even want to exist at all, and exhausting the momentum each time, on the now emboldened forecast that the truth, however we find it through our human apprehension of our very own selves, shall set us free.

Thanks for reading and I hope you got something out of what I had to say. :smile:

We need a new 70s.

Really.

:heart:




Hard to chose an appropriate dressing for a word salad like this, perhaps blue cheese
or roquefort, with a nice glass of zinfandel  to wash it down.


Edited by laughingdog (04/10/20 07:35 PM)


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Re: The West [Re: lostintimenspc] * 1
    #26591422 - 04/10/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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The West is the individual's strange call to a certain promise of a transcendental freedom in the future, taken collectively, something more dear to human yearnings than the church was able to promise, something more realistic and applicable to our state of affairs, a kind of evolution of man's social and spiritual principles now that he was safe; a kind of certainty that freedom is a standard and if only we could base our vulnerability on moral principles, the highest set of which is moral autonomy, instead of mortality, that we could be fearless because our conviction cannot be destroyed, whereas the body and the ego are in a milieu of many probabilities and relies on the parameter of being fortunate. The common man's basic instinct is that his body and its basicness must be preserved. The higher, far more plentiful approach to life in the West is that we must base our preservation on moral principles and the resultant gestalts that pertain to a higher social, spiritual and perceptual life, such that we never get to the point where we demand the body and ego must be preserved, for that is a lower side effect of following the freed psyche into an experience of morally obtained meaning, empowerment and perception, which finally and utterly eclipses the parameters that give rise to existential fears and gives life the ante of not a journey from birth to death but from birth to rebirth and renewal, and cyclic death; that is, merciless and repeated submersion into the essential human qualities which drive the stark premise that we even want to exist at all, and exhausting the momentum each time, on the now emboldened forecast that the truth, however we find it through our human apprehension of our very own selves, shall set us free.

Thanks for reading and I hope you got something out of what I had to say. :smile:

We need a new 70s.

Really.

:heart:




Please, sum up your block of text in 30 words.  Do it.  :trap:


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Re: The West [Re: lostintimenspc]
    #26592726 - 04/11/20 04:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

*Alan Watts has entered the chat*


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Re: The West [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26592795 - 04/11/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

oh good


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Re: The West [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26610595 - 04/18/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Have you been smoking DMT?  That shit fucks with you.  Try spacing the doses and your text.


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Re: The West *DELETED* [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #26611897 - 04/19/20 01:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: The West [Re: sudly]
    #26614234 - 04/20/20 02:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I have been smoking DMT actually,

but yeah.

Word salad is harsh man. You need to chill. I just said nice things. :smile:


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