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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26640148 - 04/30/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Lol..

Now if i could only figure out how to grow 50g pans...

I dont think im sacrificing enough virgins.. maybe after i tweak that ill play with lighting some more :wink:


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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26640156 - 04/30/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe Satanic rituals arent the best idea for that.....:lol:

I wonder if flashing lights would have any effect on growth :strokebeard:


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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26640173 - 04/30/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

60/20/10 straw/manure/mdma substrate, flashing lights, dj tiesto, definitely worth investigating.

Maybe add a disco ball at fruiting

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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26640271 - 05/01/20 12:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Oh yeah! Now were talking :djkoopa: :rave:


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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26675147 - 05/16/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey guys !

I was so excited to participate to this thread :smile:

I finally received my Blue led :
ABI 23W Tuna Blue LED Bulb Coral Reef Optimized Spectrum 11-Band PAR38
  • 15 bright high efficiency LED chips use a true 23W of power. An integrated ball-bearing fan quietly cools allowing for the higher power. Fits a standard household E26 socket. 100-240V AC input.
  • LEDs: 1x 395-400nm, 1x 410-420nm, 2x 420-430nm, 1x 430-440nm, 2x 440-450nm, 2x 450-460nm, 2x 460-470nm, 1x 470-475nm, 1x 490-495nm, 1x 6500K, 1x cyan (phosphor based)

And my Fluorescent Full spectrum :
EXO Terra Repti-glo 2.0 compact fluorescent Full Spectrum Terrarium lampe, 26 watts, Whites & Tans
  • The Exo Terra Natural Light is a full spectrum daylight bulb with a very high visual light output and high color rendering index (98 CRI). With its high visual light output and 6700 K Color temperature

Here are some pictures of Pan Bisporus and Semperviva :

From the Fluorescent Full spectrum light


From the blue led


Side by side comparison full spectrum vs blue led


Cap from the blue led


Semperviva tray under the blue light


Thoughts from the blue led :
  • Seems to help pinning
  • Seems to help grow the caps bigger
  • Seems to make the fruit shorter
  • Seems to create malformation (from the semperviva)

This is far from a scientific approach as too many variables are in play.
To be noted :
  • These are iso from MS, not clone
  • The lights are both around 10 cm on top of the monotubs (maybe it's too close from the trays, causing the malformations ?)
  • The 2 monotubs are almost side by side (each one of them benefited a little from the other light
  • I'm in Canada, where it was still snowing last week : The results might very well be exacerbated from the coldness


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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: Aendir]
    #26675161 - 05/16/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That is awesome Aendir! Wow! :popcorn: U can really see the difference!

I just ordered a Blue LED Christmas light that Im going to be experimenting with.


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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26675201 - 05/16/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: Asura] * 1
    #26675384 - 05/16/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

thats really cool Aendir!! nice work, beautiful stuff


little update on my light deprived tamp isolate project, shit got crazy in the 3rd flush! this is the same isolate as all the pictures above, only difference is the lighting and late flush. i knew they wouldnt make mature caps without good light, and that they get long and curly, so i tried to maximize that and got this craziness.

one fruit weighed 9.8g wet, 1.2 g dry, about 15 fruits over 12" , about 5x as thick as the last flush



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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: c10h12n2o] * 1
    #26677277 - 05/17/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i seem to remember elfstone growing canopy exotic mexicanas under only blue LED.


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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: panne cyanne] * 1
    #26678605 - 05/18/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, such a great topic and one that doesn't get discussed enough imo. thanks for everyone's time and efforts into this topic.


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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: Aendir] * 1
    #26679876 - 05/18/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Aendir said:
Hey guys !

I was so excited to participate to this thread :smile:

I finally received my Blue led :
ABI 23W Tuna Blue LED Bulb Coral Reef Optimized Spectrum 11-Band PAR38
  • 15 bright high efficiency LED chips use a true 23W of power. An integrated ball-bearing fan quietly cools allowing for the higher power. Fits a standard household E26 socket. 100-240V AC input.
  • LEDs: 1x 395-400nm, 1x 410-420nm, 2x 420-430nm, 1x 430-440nm, 2x 440-450nm, 2x 450-460nm, 2x 460-470nm, 1x 470-475nm, 1x 490-495nm, 1x 6500K, 1x cyan (phosphor based)

And my Fluorescent Full spectrum :
EXO Terra Repti-glo 2.0 compact fluorescent Full Spectrum Terrarium lampe, 26 watts, Whites & Tans
  • The Exo Terra Natural Light is a full spectrum daylight bulb with a very high visual light output and high color rendering index (98 CRI). With its high visual light output and 6700 K Color temperature

Here are some pictures of Pan Bisporus and Semperviva :

From the Fluorescent Full spectrum light


From the blue led


Side by side comparison full spectrum vs blue led


Cap from the blue led


Semperviva tray under the blue light


Thoughts from the blue led :
  • Seems to help pinning
  • Seems to help grow the caps bigger
  • Seems to make the fruit shorter
  • Seems to create malformation (from the semperviva)

This is far from a scientific approach as too many variables are in play.
To be noted :
  • These are iso from MS, not clone
  • The lights are both around 10 cm on top of the monotubs (maybe it's too close from the trays, causing the malformations ?)
  • The 2 monotubs are almost side by side (each one of them benefited a little from the other light
  • I'm in Canada, where it was still snowing last week : The results might very well be exacerbated from the coldness




Very interesting stuff. Thank you for posting this.

I have noticed that several species that are close genetically to caerulescens and subtropicales will have a different looking cap with the later flushes. I show some of my old results with an explanation of my claim here. I wonder how much more of an affect could be seen when using different light colors.

I'd love to see what those look like at flush 4 or 5.


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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: mycorry]
    #26681293 - 05/19/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

cultivators have been experimenting with blue LED for about 20 years.
only in the last few years has it become clear how useful it is.

many cultivators still insist on 6500k tube light arrays 12-12
this was understandable when LED was expensive and wimpy powered.
now you can get a blue LED light the size of a CD case that can pin entire labs in a daily  momentary flash cheaply.
better technology has arrived.


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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: panne cyanne]
    #26682505 - 05/20/20 03:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

what do you mean "pin entire labs in a momentary flash?"


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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: panne cyanne] * 1
    #26682558 - 05/20/20 04:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Also wondering what you are referring to when you say "momentary flash". Can you provide an example of the type of lights you are talking about? I am about to purchase some new lights for a fruiting room expansion. Was going to use LED, 6500K, 4 foot, vapour tight fixtures with PVC conduit but perhaps you have a better suggestion. I want to use the best fixtures I can get for the purpose.


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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: PiggyPig] * 1
    #26683129 - 05/20/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: Solipsis]
    #26683746 - 05/20/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

cubes only require a good flash of blue in the 420nm range at 10w ft......
so any blue LED array 15w to 30 w turned on and aimed at them will cause effective fruiting.
30W in a walk in closet is more than enough.
60W for a whole bedrom. anything exposed will pin.

i like the indoor outdoor grade yard lighting ones in the royals blue i can find. i think mine are like 60W. when i check the lab a few minits of those things is all thats needed.

LED is cheaper smaller easier more durable lower electric.
and i think its been demonstrated in hundreds of threads it pins as good as anything else.

before anyone spends a buck on a tube light,
shop and see how much blue LED you can get for same or less.

* solipsis, that light looks blue, looks like alot of pins.
its that straight.


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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: panne cyanne]
    #26684096 - 05/20/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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panne cyanne said:
cubes only require a good flash of blue in the 420nm range at 10w ft......




???

They obviously dont REQUIRE it, ive had projects pin (well) in complete darkness... and even better with 6500k, ofc.. so as far as i can tell they dont REQUIRE light at all, much less specifically blue light

Maybe what you mean is that a flash of blue light can initiate pinning?

Also, there are lots of other factors involved in pinning (surface conditions, colonization,  etc).. have you controlled for any of these factors?

Have you tested isolates in the same conditions with 6500k vs blue leds?

A well researched isolate will pin prolifically in the same conditions like clockwork, are you saying that blue light will make it pin MORE prolifically?

I cant recall seeing clean ms cube spawn that didnt pin

Im really curious about all this, would love to carry out some of these tests, just wanna know what others have already learned


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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26684210 - 05/20/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

imo pins equal or better to any other light ive tested.
with no need to run them for more than moments.

theres quite a few grow threads where people have used them on multi species with canopy effect. it works.
try it,its cheap to find out.


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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: panne cyanne] * 1
    #26684676 - 05/21/20 12:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Im definitely down to run some controlled experiments. But as easily as cubes pin youd definitely need a control to attribute anything to the light

Im curious, are you referencing the line about a "flash of light" from Stamets in TMC?

I was digging for it and saw RR brought up some of the same points i did

Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
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Experiments have been done and even a single flash from a strobe light will induce pinning, so clearly that is not an area worth optimizing.





Recent experiments(over the last 23 years) have shown the error of that statement in TMC.  Many experiments have shown conclusively that fluorescent lamps in the 6500K range produce better pinsets and healthier, meatier fruits than other forms of light.  Stamets himself does not repeat that 'flash of light' triggers pinning nonsense. In fact, he recommends fluorescent lamps in the 6,500 Kelvin range for 12/12 just as I do. In addition, there's a huge difference in saying something can result in 'pins', and helping to trigger a very nice flush.

Light, and the intensity/frequency of light is extremely important if one is interested in greater than mediocre performance.  Many species, such as agaricus and P cubensis, can pin in the total absence of light.  That doesn't mean light isn't required for best results, especially with light sensitive species such as P cubensis and P ostreatus.
RR




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Re: Lighting Experiments? [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26686345 - 05/21/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i used tubes from 1978 to 1995
then i used tubes and or LED from 1995 to 2005
then i went all LED in 2006. entire house and lab.
ive grown cubes , mexicanas, pans, of all types under LED,
with excellent yield. im convinced.
people can experiment as they wish. and they should.
in my case ,from long experience, im all about LED for all my grows.


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