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Crazy_Horse said: Is it wrong to do bad things?
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The Blind Ass said: I am the blind ass!
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thirdeyewild said: Teaching a child religion is mind-rape and abuse. Freedom of thought for all!
Not sure there is such a thing as freedom of thought, in fact you saying that is telling others what to think. In fact pretty much everything in this thread is. At this point wherever I hear “freedom of thought” I just roll my eyes.
I think we have a good grasp on the universe and how it works. People talking about the “hubris” of knowing the cosmos is overplaying it a tad. Sure there are unanswered questions but we are working on them. As for how it all began, we don’t really know and for that matter does it really matter how? What good would it do to know that?
And for the OP without God life isn’t not meaningless. That’s just what the church tries to sell you
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thirdeyewild said: God is someone else's idea. Ideas are just shit in someone else's head.
Don't be a shithead.
That’s the pot calling the kettle black
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Pretty sure none of that is true. We do understand how the world and universe works well enough, the problem is that understanding how it works doesn’t mean we can control it.
Also such eastern philosophizing is really just brain chemistry which is something they couldn’t have known then. Our senses aren’t perfect but they’re all we got so I wouldn’t knock what they yield and I’m not gonna take the word of the subjective experiences of a meditator as claims about the truth of reality.
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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10]
#26587428 - 04/08/20 09:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Albeit we’ve done pretty good as a species in terms of understanding ourselves and the cosmos at large, but that’s in light of the fact that every other species that ever existed on earth doesn’t even have toilet paper.
In the grand scheme our understanding of the mechanics and tech of the reality of phenomena as cosmos is currently like this:

Still that’s okay, we’re doing well enough without a real standard to compare ourselves to, and we keep on adapting and learning as we go on and on, generation after generation. Picking up some steam for a while too, but approximations and models are just that, approximations and models and what may ultimately prove one day to be myopic hubris or genius. The middle path wins.
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I like to believe there is some sort of grand author to this story. The specifics? Nobody knows. Simulation?..... ancient astronaut theorists say:.....wait and see
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The Blind Ass said: Albeit we’ve done pretty good as a species in terms of understanding ourselves and the cosmos at large, but that’s in light of the fact that every other species that ever existed on earth doesn’t even have toilet paper.
In the grand scheme our understanding of the mechanics and tech of the reality of phenomena as cosmos is currently like this:

Still that’s okay, we’re doing well enough without a real standard to compare ourselves to, and we keep on adapting and learning as we go on and on, generation after generation. Picking up some steam for a while too, but approximations and models are just that, approximations and models and what may ultimately prove one day to be myopic hubris or genius. The middle path wins.
Not true at all. There isn’t a “middle path” there is just getting closer and doing a little better than before but as for the cosmos we actually don’t have much left to go in that one. It’s far from a rubics cube and more like a jigsaw. The big questions are those we can’t really see like what started it all (which isn’t really important I think).
Buddhism is nice and all but as far as understanding reality it’s still pretty “woo” in that regard.
There is no hubris at all though, those who say that don’t know the people doing the work to dig for answers. Most people in science I know are rather humble, they just don’t tolerate people who think they know it all based on whatever fairy tale they have.
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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10]
#26587449 - 04/08/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can believe whatever you want but that doesn’t make it so. I see no reason to think there is a grand author. It’s comforting but it’s more like telling kids Santa Claus exists.
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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10]
#26587453 - 04/08/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Right ... keep trying I suppose!
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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10] 1
#26587458 - 04/08/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I had been a strong atheist for most of my life before I realized I was making a claim I could not support, and became a weak agnostic.
I think there is evidence for God, and I know of no potential God with greater evidence than the Christian God.
Science shows the big bang was the origin of the universe, it was not past eternal.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.technologyreview.com/s/427722/mathematics-of-eternity-prove-the-universe-must-have-had-a-beginning/amp/
Beyond this, the universe is clearly finely-tuned for life.
"If the Holye state didn’t exist, stars could not produce the abundance of carbon they do. Carbon is the basic element upon which life is built. If it were scanter in the universe, life wouldn’t exist, down to the simplest microbes. And it wasn’t clear, for a long time, how the Hoyle state worked, just that it must: After all, here we are.
More recently, scientists have pointed out that if one tweaks many of the dimensionless physical constants — numbers like pi that are independent of units and simply exist as fundamental ideas — none of the cosmos we see would exist. One of these numbers is omega, the density parameter, which pits gravity’s pull against the expanding push of dark energy. If gravity were stronger, the universe would have long since ceased expanding, and would have collapsed back down in a reverse Big Bang, often called the “Big Crunch.” If dark energy were stronger, then the universe would race away from itself so that no matter would stick together and stars, planets, and people could never form.
If the cosmos were truly a random and senseless arrangement of particles, it seems eerie or suspicious to many that these two forces balance so delicately.
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The universe does seem fine-tuned for our existence."
http://www.astronomy.com/news/2018/11/are-the-laws-of-the-universe-fine-tuned-for-life
"For more than 400 years, physicists treated the universe like a machine, taking it apart to see how it ticks. The surprise is it turns out to have remarkably few parts: just leptons and quarks and four fundamental forces to glue them together.
But those few parts are exquisitely machined. If we tinker with their settings, even slightly, the universe as we know it would cease to exist. Science now faces the question of why the universe appears to have been “fine-tuned” to allow the appearance of complex life, a question that has some potentially uncomfortable answers."
https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/a-universe-made-for-me-physics-fine-tuning-and-life
Also see:
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/royal-institute-of-philosophy-supplements/article/explaining-the-fine-tuning-of-the-universe-to-us-and-the-fine-tuning-of-us-to-the-universe/95CC982CD14F823618C0991FF0074099/core-reader
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https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/fine-tuning/
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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: flickedbic]
#26587469 - 04/08/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The short answer to your post is that it’s all wrong.
As for Blind, I’m afraid it’s the truth. I mean we have the human brain pretty much all figured out.
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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10] 2
#26587494 - 04/08/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Truth? Ha. Prove there is not a god. Show me your truth.
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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10]
#26587503 - 04/08/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: The short answer to your post is that it’s all wrong.
As for Blind, I’m afraid it’s the truth. I mean we have the human brain pretty much all figured out.

This is not worth my time, stopped being fun when It became clear you don’t have a clue.
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Thing is that I do. I just don’t play invent mystery or majesty just to feel comfortable. I think people on here WANT stuff to be unknown rather than admit we have much of it figured out
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spirit_shadow said: Truth? Ha. Prove there is not a god. Show me your truth.
It’s more on you to provide the proof that there is a god and so far nothing I have seen or heard suggests there is a god in any shape or form.
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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10]
#26587593 - 04/08/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lol it is on nobody. I'm saying the fact that anything exists at all is more proof that "god" exists than there is no proof that it does not. (Also when I refer to god I mean in general. Not tied to an specific religion)
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spirit_shadow said: Lol it is on nobody. I'm saying the fact that anything exists at all is more proof that "god" exists than there is no proof that it does not. (Also when I refer to god I mean in general. Not tied to an specific religion)
The fact that anything exists means nothing at all. It’s just humans ascribing to reality more than what it is.
Once again you have no proof that god exists in any form.
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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10]
#26587599 - 04/08/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If God exists in a higher dimension and we dont know how to access those higher dimensions, then theres no proof of God (yet).
Once humans can access higher dimensions of reality, perhaps thats when we will find evidence of God.
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