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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26586732 - 04/08/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Nah that's bruising from misting or drying out. Cap looks slightly dry.


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    #26586778 - 04/08/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Nah that's bruising from misting or drying out. Cap looks slightly dry.




Ah, okay, not sure what to do with that. Too wet or too dry? You trying to make me overthink again? lol :laugh: I can't imagine the cakes are drying out. While I am trying to keep misting only 6 times a day, as per RogerRabbit, perhaps that's too much? Anyway, onto the main event...




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Okay so here is an update with some pics.

An hour ago, I just passed the 7 Day mark for when I put those first 10 cakes into the SGFC, and then the three more that night. I just got the final 4, totaling 24 cakes, into my second SGFC about an hour ago.

I made a few changes to the format of the cakes. See question 4 below.

Anyway...at the bottom are some pics, and I was really hoping you guys can tell me if you see any problems.


Questions:


1. is a lot of that dark colors on the small shrooms indicative of over-misting, some other problem, or is it normal?

2. Do these look like normal size and look like they are progressing properly?

3. How are things looking so far? Again, I am 7 days into the SGFC planting of those initial 13 cakes.

4. Not sure if this was the correct course of action, but I noticed that in my first terrarium, all the Costa Rico cakes are showing the most growth. And other than one notable exception, the Golden Teacher cakes are really not. Its cool, I know different strains grow at different rates. But I was wondering if it was okay that I changed things up, and now I have all my 13 Costa Rico cakes in the original SGFC, and took out most of the Golden Teacher cakes. If you look at the right hand side of the first pic, in that second SGCF you can see 8 Cakes. I actually took the least developed/pinned Golden Teacher cakes out. So now, the second terrarium has all the cakes with the least amount of fruiting, which are those 8 Golden Teacher cakes.

5. Is Mateah right? Are my small shrooms unhappy?

The three Golden Teacher cakes I left in the first SGFC are the ones that showed pins, well one pin each, all small except for that one huge pin.

The method to my madness is that since all the Costa Rico cakes are really taking off, even the FOUR I just put into the terrarium yesterday, after dunking & rolling. Those four newly dunk & rolled Costa Rico cakes are even taking off way faster than the Golden Teacher cakes that were birthed last week. Well, except for that one with that really big stump lol.










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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26586887 - 04/08/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Lol that’s some serious perlite depth.  Nice cakes.  :thumbup:

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: fahtster]
    #26586898 - 04/08/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Bad ass. Those mushrooms look good and healthy. The spore prints are cool. I doubt anyone has an answer for your cake walk. But they are yours to put into what ever tub you want.

I'm sure the GT are going to do the same soon. They all fruit at different speeds cause they are all MS. Costa Rica might be bred to flush faster. Usually a longer wait time means bigger mushrooms in my experience.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: fahtster]
    #26586941 - 04/08/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Lol that’s some serious perlite depth.  Nice cakes.  :thumbup:

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Hahaha, thanks, brother! See, I was going to go with RogerRabbit's admonishment to 4-5 inches, using my flattened hand if I didn't feel like measuring. That was one of the few ways I deviated from his video instructions just a little, but it was at the suggestion of a lot of people here. They all said at least 1-2 inches more, which would be 7 inches, and was what I went with.

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Bad ass. Those mushrooms look good and healthy. The spore prints are cool. I doubt anyone has an answer for your cake walk. But they are yours to put into what ever tub you want.

I'm sure the GT are going to do the same soon. They all fruit at different speeds cause they are all MS. Costa Rica might be bred to flush faster. Usually a longer wait time means bigger mushrooms in my experience.





Thanks again, my friend!!

Oh yeah, I know I'm Golden with Golden Teacher. (Okay that dumb joke made me throw up in my mouth a little) The reason I wanted to separate the two different strains into different SGFS's is because of that very reason. It occurred to me this morning when I looked at the huge disparity between the CR and the GT, pretty much to a cake. I was heading into a real logistical nightmare coming in the next few weeks. Mostly because I have been, as you know already, keeping meticulous track of the date, time, and species. My concern was that with the huge difference in grow speeds that I was going to have a helluva time keeping track of what I'm doing and growing if each terrarium is filled half with rapidly fruiting cakes and the other half going much, much slower.

Moreover, looking ahead to trying to keep track of various flushes, having both terrariums half and half was going to make that a huge problem, if I wanted to keep any semblance of a functional understanding of which group of cakes are in what flush.


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    #26586956 - 04/08/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Oh, and in case anyone's interested, here are my new, updated floorplans, I had to make when I moved some of the cakes. :mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:




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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26587001 - 04/08/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Cakes look good. Are they that wet on top all the time or just after misting?

Different strains can grow at different rates and that does include different varieties such as yours. Cubensis varieties may not all fruit at the same speeds so I would just keep doing what your doing and next time try to case your cakes for a bigger yield
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26587053 - 04/08/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What's the yellow circles in tub1?


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26587122 - 04/08/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Sockadin, if you’re talking about the floor plan of the first SGFC, the yellow circles are grouping cakes.  The one on the left are the golden teacher cakes that I dunked and rolled with the first batch of 10, last week, April 1 in the early afternoon. The second yellow circle in the middle actually encompasses three cakes, but I miss-drew it first LOL. It’s meant to group the three Costa Rico cakes that I dunked & rolled April 1, that evening.

Tripglass420, thanks! To answer your question, my cakes are generally pretty moist. Since I conform to RogerRabbit’s advice to mist the cakes six times a day, I broke that down to once every three hours starting when I wake up in the morning. So there’s really never a long break between misting. The longest break in misting is between about 9 PM, which is my last misting of the day, and around 6 AM, when I wake up.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26587176 - 04/08/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hey, while I got you guys on the line! And this is not me being impatient, I’m just genuinely curious. How do I know when to harvest, and which ones? They are all going at such different rates, that it’s looking like even the smaller ones may be getting close because of the flattened heads, but I know nothing, and I really mean nothing about this LOL. I’m not sure how big these are supposed to get, if there’s a point where you pick even smaller ones because of cap size  and shape? I am curious about is that some of the smaller ones look like they may be ready or almost ready to be picked and put aside to wait for the rest of whatever is coming?


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26587194 - 04/08/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Harvest all the ones that no longer have the veils attached to the cap. Most cubes the veil will break away and stay on the stem.

Leave the ones with partial veils for cool pictures cause they will still open Abit more. It usually will not mean they are more potent but I'm pretty sure you have enough mushrooms to have a wild ride tonight.

Also remember they are 90 percent water so if you are gonna eat them fresh. Do the math 100g wet is 10 Grams dry on average.

I prefer fresh shrooms, less shit in your teeth and less tummy ache. Nothing like the 4 gram phantom shits in the middle of a trip to blow your mind.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26587250 - 04/08/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Harvest all the ones that no longer have the veils attached to the cap. Most cubes the veil will break away and stay on the stem.




I'm sorry, but what does this mean exactly? I will google this, because I am not familiar with the anatomical structures of mushrooms.

But, to be clear, are you actually saying some of these should be picked today even? I am not worried about having them tonight, because I don't intend to trip until this Saturday. Maybe Friday if I get some stuff done early enough, but probably Saturday.

I read something about picking mushrooms at that "sweet spot" between when caps flatten and when the caps start to split, dropping spores, which, if I'm correct, reduces potency? Anyway, like I said, I am going to Google this now. Because I had no idea I was supposed to be picking stuff now. lol I thought I was a few days to a week off.

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Leave the ones with partial veils for cool pictures cause they will still open Abit more.




Not sure what this means. Can you clarify his a bit?

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It usually will not mean they are more potent but I'm pretty sure you have enough mushrooms to have a wild ride tonight.




I'm not as concerned about potency, nor am I impatient to harvest anything. I can wait, if need be. However, if you are saying that leaving the fully developed ones still in the SGFC is not the way to, and you think I need to start picking some now, I guess I have to figure out (while overthinking, of course lol) exactly what ones need to be picked now, and would cause problems or rotting if I leave them?

If leaving the fully grown ones a few days them won't hurt anything, I will probably do that. But if you tell me there are mushrooms in there that it would be best to pick now, then I can do that, and set them aside for Saturday.

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Also remember they are 90 percent water so if you are gonna eat them fresh. Do the math 100g wet is 10 Grams dry on average.




Yeah, my understanding is that its a 1:10 ratio of dried to fresh? I have only ever taken dried, and the last time was decades ago. But I assume that if I wanted to take, say a 3 gram dried-shrooms trip, I should eat 30 grams fresh? Note that I don't think I want to go that heavy my first time!

There will be plenty of time for that, and from what I can see, I won't exactly be in short supply. I am thinking that 2 grams dried (20 grams fresh?) would be enough to have a nice trip, some colors, and not get too hot and heavy my first time out in a very long time?

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I prefer fresh shrooms, less shit in your teeth and less tummy ache. Nothing like the 4 gram phantom shits in the middle of a trip to blow your mind.




I never had fresh, so I can't wait to try!

What is the 4 gram phantom shits?


By the way, I intend to eat them whole. I am confident in my ability to choke down a dose, say its 20 grams fresh. I am hot and heavy into weightlifting, am an avid cycling, and a fitness buff. I can tell you now that I'm not worried about taste!

Before the very recent years of companies manufacturing really good and decent tasting supplements like protein shakes, low-carb protein/energy bars, I remember the '90s! Oh, Lord, do I remember the state of Protein bars, shakes, and other edible supplements. They were horrible, awful. The protein shakes tasted like liquid chalk, sometimes a lot worse. But we ate them and we drank them, and said, "Fuck the taste, bitches!" I had a saying back then...still do: "I don't care if I have to scoop up dirt from my backyard and eat it. If clinical studies prove it builds muscle mass, causes fat burning, increases strength and endurance, I will eat it."

The point is, yeah, I am quite confident that I can choke down fresh mushrooms, chewing them up into the tinyest of bits. Also, I am not as worried about nausea, because these days, I ALWAYS trip in a fasted state.

I am completely adamant about that. I used to get very sick to my stomach from eating woodrose seeds. But since I started up tripping again recently, even eating 6-7 seeds, with no extraction, just grinding and swallowing the dust, washing it down with water, and NOTHING. No nausea like I used to get before fasting. Its really like a magic bullet. lol For my Magic mushrooms. I don't expect to get sick from a small to medium dose of shrooms is my point. :mushroom2:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26587283 - 04/08/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ok I'm not as good as you about detail responses I hope I get all the points down.

You have alot of mushrooms that are ready for harvest. Anything that has dropped spore is on a decline, not in terms of potency but in terms of they will start to decay.

Also there is not anything I have heard of as a potency loss from veils breaking. The veil is the little thin covering between the stem and the edge of the cap. Most people will harvest right before it breaks because people complain about spores tasting bad.( I don't know that just what they say)

You can pick the ones that are fully opened and dehydrate them and eat some dry mushrooms later
Why not pick a few big ones off and eat them now?

Your are in NYC, that shits locked down. Bottoms up!


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    #26587316 - 04/08/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Dude, you are TOTALLY the man!

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You have alot of mushrooms that are ready for harvest.




I honestly had no idea! Wow...just wow, and unexpected. I thought I was at least a few days off from this, maybe more.

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Anything that has dropped spore is on a decline, not in terms of potency but in terms of they will start to decay.




I'm not really sure what it looks like when they "drop spores." Is that the black covering on some of the caps and stems?

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Also there is not anything I have heard of as a potency loss from veils breaking. The veil is the little thin covering between the stem and the edge of the cap. Most people will harvest right before it breaks because people complain about spores tasting bad.( I don't know that just what they say)




The taste is very low on my list of priorities. Man, if I could choke down that HORRIBLE tasting first Whey Proteins that came out in the '90s, I don't expect to have a problem with this. lol I am going to look and see what's going on in terms of what spore dropping looks like, and if I have it in my SGFC.

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You can pick the ones that are fully opened and dehydrate them and eat some dry mushrooms later
Why not pick a few big ones off and eat them now?




Now is not the time. I am getting ready for bed, and I am not in the mindset for a night trip right this second. But sooooooon!

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Your are in NYC, that shits locked down. Bottoms up!




Like I said, Saturday, maybe Friday if I can get some stuff done. Hahahah but now I am excited! I really thought I wasn't there yet.

Okay, I am going to make another post with some pics so maybe you (or someone else if I have really burned you out with questions) can tell me if my reasoning is correct regarding my assessment of which to pick and which to leave.

I just took the pics and uploaded them to my image host. Give me a minute. I just want to see if we're on the same page.


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    #26587337 - 04/08/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, so here are some pics.

First...Holy F'ing shit! Look at the first two pics. This cap just totally opened up just a couple of hours.

Should I leave this one alone and see how big it gets? Because its kind of like dragging on the perlite while it grows. Or just pick it now?

Pic #3 looks wacky to me. I had to get the cell camera in there, because if you can see in the pic, that cap is very close to the Perlite layer, and has an s-shaped pin (is it still called a pin here?) and I will have to pull the cake out to get at that one.

Pics 4, 5, and 6 are just my best guess as to which ones you may be thinking are ready? Again, I am totally not sure here. But there you have it! Should I pick all the ones from pics 4 through 6?

For pic 5, I was thinking I should just pick the two dark ones on the right? And for pic 6, the two dead center in the picture?


Oh and how do you pick them? Is it all right just to sort of pinch at the lower stem and pull?













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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26587375 - 04/08/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I would harvest almost everything you posted a picture of. Like now, not tomorrow. They are ready.


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    #26587385 - 04/08/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

OK I’ll get on that right away!

Will they keep in saran wrap or a plastic baggie until Saturday? Also I have a food dehydrator, but I didn’t think it was anywhere close to being ready for it. It’s old, but I think it still works, I still have to check it to make sure. Because obviously I want to start drying at some at some point. Tomorrow I’ll post pictures of this dehydrator that I used to use years ago, but haven’t used in maybe 15 years LOL. And you guys can tell me if I need to buy another one, or if this one is good enough. But that’s tomorrow.

Can I store fresh mushrooms in my refrigerator and eat them Saturday morning, which would be 2 1/2 days from now?

Also I don’t want to go sticking a scissor in there, because I’ve never done this before. Can I simply pull them off? Or is this some kind of a technique to twisting, polling, or whatever?


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    #26587388 - 04/08/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Grab near the base. Then twist and pull.


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    #26587396 - 04/08/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Oh, sorry! I forgot, I’m assuming that you also meant the one in the first two pictures, that big stubby one?


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    #26587403 - 04/08/20 09:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yes the big stubby one. You can harvest and out in the fridge but. Why not use the dehydrator?


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