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shroomening

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LogicaL Chaos said: I believe God exists as evidence by the seemingly infinite nature of the Universe (it seems to go on forever) and the fact that the Universe is about 13.8 BILLION years old already: https://www.space.com/24054-how-old-is-the-universe.html
Im not sure I believe in Satan but i do know dark spiritual forces do exist.
But its my belief that God is 100% interlaced with the Universe and exists in some form at a higher, more complex dimension of time and space.
I see Satan as a evil part of our inner self, such as the ego, and fear - which fuel the ego. Nothing outside of us. I believe only God is outside us - and inside us. One with everything.
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shroomening said: Seems that those who worship Satan succeed better in our world than those who worship God.
What's your definition of success?
The happiest and most content people I know tend to be the most honest and genuine also, often even generous too.
I've given up on trying to figure anything out, I went to school for perceptual neuroscience and also studied physics after getting into psychedelics and wanting to better understand reality. I think I know a lot less about it all now than I did when I was a child, in a way
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thirdeyewild said: The birth of the universe (and life) was mathematically impossible not to have happened.
It can also be described to be mathematically improbable and near impossible depending on the context from which you speak. Context defines probability.
The probability of something existing is a 100% if it exists. Yes. It's a semantic statement that checks out. But it doesn't really say anything about anything else. Without knowing another variable to provide context from, we can hypothesize a scenario where the probability of existence is different from 100%, and where knowing that it is 70% or 0% likelihood doesn't change the nature of it existing in the first place.
In the grand scheme, the statement that it exists and is therefore mathematically certain doesn't say anything except for the statement itself. That the statement has an epiphanous aura about it really boils down the the semantics of it all, but it doesn't truly say anything about gods or origins.
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shroomening

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thirdeyewild said: If you have a mathematical possibility of something occurring, given enough times (or rolls of the dice if you will)that possibility will occur. If life was a possibility it is a probability given enough time.
(yes I'm drinking)
Yes but mathematical possibility, does math even have possibilities? 1 + 1 = 2, there is no possibility of it becoming 3?
And if you reverse your math to the beginning, then they say that everything started from a singularity. From there, mathematics should have had even less "possibilities" to become other than what mathematics was already destined to become - and then to become ever more advanced in its mathematics, the longer everything spreads along the course of infinity.
The question is still what started the math itself?
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Reminds me of a dream I had about 20 years ago. I dreamt I was God and controlled the entire universe with math. I felt so powerful and brilliant. And then I multiplied to whole universe by zero. I'd make a shitty God.
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Math is observable fact. A base to observe facts from. Not the new Jesus.
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The only thing that any of us can ever really be certain of in this universe and in reality itself is that zZZz will come in here eventually to tell us that he loves us.
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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: feevers] 1
#26587218 - 04/08/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Damn...your right... zZZ’s love is a universal constant?!
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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: feevers]
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thirdeyewild said: Math is observable fact. A base to observe facts from. Not the new Jesus.
Math is a language from which you can describe reality. It is not observable fact anymore than English is, but it can be used to describe factual happenings. It can be as much factual as it can be theoretical, and can even be factually incorrect.
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Confirmed
zZzz is god .
Argument finally put to rest.
The Great Matter is settled.
/end thread
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shroomening

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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: feevers]
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shroomening said: Seems that those who worship Satan succeed better in our world than those who worship God.
What's your definition of success?
The happiest and most content people I know tend to be the most honest and genuine also, often even generous too.
I've given up on trying to figure anything out, I went to school for perceptual neuroscience and also studied physics after getting into psychedelics and wanting to better understand reality. I think I know a lot less about it all now than I did when I was a child, in a way
Actually, in my eyes, real success is what you mention. That true success is measured in happiness.
But I thought more about success in the way the majority of the world sees success - that is, money and matter.
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Religion is a tool for the weak minded.
I'm not religious at all. Haven't been to church since I was a kid.
But I disagree with this. Highly. There are plenty of deeply religious people out there who have done great, great things. People who have left a mark on this world. None of which had to do with religion. Say what you will about their religious beliefs but to say that they were "weak minded" as human beings and thus inferior to yourself (I'm just going to go out on a limb and assume you see yourself as "strong minded" which would make them lesser) would be false.
Muhammad Ali, for example, was highly religious -- would you consider him weak minded?
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The Blind Ass said: Beware of the error of believing you know something about that which you are truly ignorant of. A human believing they can piece together the entire Cosmos and all phenomena exactly, is folly, like a monkey trying to pass the mcats, or something.
 
So you mean that one should stay in the middle of believing - and not believing - because neither is possible to prove?
There's always Pascal's wager. And really you could apply the concept to any religious or spiritual belief system, not merely the Judeo-Christian faiths.
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shroomening

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Crazy_Horse said: Is it wrong to do bad things?
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thirdeyewild said: Reminds me of a dream I had about 20 years ago. I dreamt I was God and controlled the entire universe with math. I felt so powerful and brilliant. And then I multiplied to whole universe by zero. I'd make a shitty God.
Haha, maybe that´s how everything will end!
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#26587243 - 04/08/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Religion is a tool for the weak minded.
I'm not religious at all. Haven't been to church since I was a kid.
But I disagree with this. Highly. There are plenty of deeply religious people out there who have done great, great things. People who have left a mark on this world. None of which had to do with religion. Say what you will about their religious beliefs but to say that they were "weak minded" as human beings and thus inferior to yourself (I'm just going to go out on a limb and assume you see yourself as "strong minded" which would make them lesser) would be false.
Muhammad Ali, for example, was highly religious -- would you consider him weak minded?
Agree. And if anything - faith is hard.
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Asclepius
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I believe only God is outside us - and inside us. One with everything.
That sounds a bit like Gnosticism. I'm not knocking you for it, just an observation.
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Even if there is no god theres still a point in living. Why not stick around cuz who knows whats what when you die you may just cease to exist and thats fucked so might as well enjoy your stay.
Im not religious by any means but do try and look at nature with spiritual meaning. There are vast interworkings in nature that are more expansive and beyond the simplicity of modern man.
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What can be revealed by a web of speculative concepts? The mind's imputations are our mental constructs and even if absolute emptiness could be evoked, we are left only with belief in the natural state of being. What can be known by any pointing out, when the point lies beyond the pointing and the pointed out? And contentious debate is futile, vain speculation, and the nature of mind is still unknown.
The sensory world, environment and beings, happy and sad feelings and mood-swings, all absent yet perceptible, are like ominous shadows cast by a lamp, like a double image appearing when the eyeball is pressed, like projected fears on a dark night. They exist only at face value, vanishing under examination, while deep insight reveals their wide-open nature that is uncreate, like the sky, timeless primordial reality. We can see it in this moment, here and now.
- by some old guy in a cave
More old guy sayings from the cave-
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Through that virtue may all beings without exception perceive all situations as unoriginated illusory evanescence, and achieve higher and higher understanding beautified by the buddha-trikaya. Abandoning the intellect that craves security in what is only dream, magic show, mirage, reflection, echo and apparition, let primal awareness and spontaneity regain their primacy. Once obsessed by the carnal city and emotions, now fled from the thick jungle of uncertainty to cool groves far distant, let the heavens extol and acclaim those babes. May this, my mind, loathing distraction, in happy seclusion in the peaceful forest, focussing only upon real meaning, achieve the immaculate insight of the exalted. In this forest of flowers, leaves and fruit, enhanced by the clear waters of a renunciate lifestyle, may this my embodiment of unique occasion and right juncture, walk the path of freedom to the treasure of profound meaning.
In this brief transit, until I attain my goal, practising virtue in this world of men, on the path of peace, realizing skilful means, may I release incalculable beings from this fictive world. This method is the essence of the buddhas' profound teaching and as it carries the import of all experiential truth, with desire for freedom, we should strive from the heart, day and night, without slackening, living it fully. Those of later generations, fortunate and faithful, should depend upon these words at all times, and crossing over the worldly ocean of self and other, the dual purpose of all beings is spontaneously achieved. This yogi with all-penetrating eyes, seeing the meaning of sutra and tantra and the essential meaning of all precepts, Drimey Wozer, graced by stainless radiance, composed this text in a cave at Gangri Tokar. This sun of dharma with its myriad stainless rays- primal awareness shining-dispels the darkness of unknowing, emptying the ocean of samsara to its last drop, revealing the unbounded continent of freedom
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shroomening

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#26587269 - 04/08/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: Beware of the error of believing you know something about that which you are truly ignorant of. A human believing they can piece together the entire Cosmos and all phenomena exactly, is folly, like a monkey trying to pass the mcats, or something.
 
So you mean that one should stay in the middle of believing - and not believing - because neither is possible to prove?
There's always Pascal's wager. And really you could apply the concept to any religious or spiritual belief system, not merely the Judeo-Christian faiths. 
True, true. But with that said, I kinda have my religion. The religion of the Magic Mushroom - which I consider to be kinda synergistic with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Seems to me like both speak truthfully. WHO IS WITH ME??
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shroomening

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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Asclepius]
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I believe only God is outside us - and inside us. One with everything.
That sounds a bit like Gnosticism. I'm not knocking you for it, just an observation.
Or just "trinity"? The father, the son and holy spirit.
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