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Re: about Jesus [Re: shroomening]
    #26586880 - 04/08/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Amen :manofapproval:

We argue or debate for the sake of both sides, to strengthen each other, even if one can’t tell at the moment, it’s that what motivates my own interactions here. 


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Re: about Jesus [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26586895 - 04/08/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Amen :manofapproval:

We argue or debate for the sake of both sides, to strengthen each other, even if one can’t tell at the moment, it’s that what motivates my own interactions here. 




Exactly brother, you finished it well. Good night!


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Re: about Jesus [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26586990 - 04/08/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Jospeh and Jesus similarities is parallelism.  Likely left in the current bible by the monks who sutured it into a book of stories for partly that reason ,  and it remained there by the rule of the Councils who decreed what should go and what should remain in what is in the Bible today.




It's not just with similar stories.  The Bible has a more 'fractal' nature than that.  The tabernacle design, for example, is not a story but a piece of architecture, a building plan, which is itself an image of Israel's migratory trek from Egypt, to the Wilderness, to Canaan.  (The outer court of the Tabernacle is Egypt, containing the altar of sacrifice, the blood of the lamb on the Jewish slaves' doorposts... passing through the first tent veil in the Tabernacle represents passing through the Red Sea (additionally represented by the Laver, a basin for washing your hands, baptism in water) and entering a mediating 'wilderness' arena... a sanctuary called the 'Holy Place'.  (This room of the tabernacle contains the lampstand, the incense altar, and the altar of bread, alluding to the pillar of smoke and fire, and manna from heaven given in the Wilderness)  and finally passing through the 2nd veil in the tabernacle leading to the 'Most Holy Place', is a picture of Israel entering crossing over the Jordan river and entering Canaan or the Promised Land containing the very presence of God, located upon the Ark of the Covenant within this inner chamber.)  ...



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Is he ruling over , poetically speaking, Buddhist kingdoms, or Muslim kingdoms?  Not really, atleast not as a single man born some odd 2000 years ago, atleast I don’t think I can understand how that could be considering the man is gone but a religion was constructed around his life’s teachings and stories related or seemingly related to it as prophetic and mythicaly abrhamic.

Does that take away anything from the actual teachings he gave? No.  But the point is to reflect on the things as they actually are, or as close as we can.

However in another sense, many Buddhists see Christ as one having attained enlightenment, and obviously the Quran speaks of him as prophet most high (besides Mohammed )(but that’s their stick).

So in another way, it doesn’t matter the way in which it’s often thought about and understood by a majority.  To an extent.  Ok I done here, much love and have a good night.




Who else came in such authority as the man Jesus, called the Christ?

Human history itself seems to crowd around his figure.  The whole world stands in the shadow of the cross... this Jewish commoner who was mocked and spit on and killed like a slave.  Why does history seem to bow towards this man?

Who claimed the things he did with such seeming authority?  Who else has such amazing prophecy behind him?  Jesus is an enigma above all others.

Jesus is a person, who... the more you consider him, and study him, the more you are stunned by the concealed evidence of him. 

I think the truth has a way of repelling those disinterested in it, while, on the other hand, inviting the believer into its mystery.  I say that, because it seems to be the way Jesus acted.  His very character had this quality, according to the Bible.  Think of how Jesus comes in the appearance of a comman man, no more divine than the next person.  He presents himself as a living mystery.  Easily dismissed by the hard of heart, yet in reality, for those with ears to hear, and eyes to see... He reveals himself as the doorway to the kingdom of heaven.


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Re: about Jesus [Re: saved7]
    #26587006 - 04/08/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Nice.  It is, one of if not the most, hyperlinked books of all time.  And yeah the esoteric truth of it is exalted; however, I find it exponentially more fruitful in the light of esoteric Buddhism,  making the two complementary and synergistic. that’s more a preference than a condition to understanding.  I don’t deny what your getting it in any way.  Christ is exemplary and as immaculate as a human being can get, as best I can know with just the biblical account plus some historical accounts and my own experiental truth.  But what’s published and recorded is never a full accounting of anyone life.  Regardless,  god is good.


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Re: about Jesus [Re: saved7]
    #26588374 - 04/09/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Jospeh and Jesus similarities is parallelism.  Likely left in the current bible by the monks who sutured it into a book of stories for partly that reason ,  and it remained there by the rule of the Councils who decreed what should go and what should remain in what is in the Bible today.




It's not just with similar stories.  The Bible has a more 'fractal' nature than that.  The tabernacle design, for example, is not a story but a piece of architecture, a building plan, which is itself an image of Israel's migratory trek from Egypt, to the Wilderness, to Canaan.  (The outer court of the Tabernacle is Egypt, containing the altar of sacrifice, the blood of the lamb on the Jewish slaves' doorposts... passing through the first tent veil in the Tabernacle represents passing through the Red Sea (additionally represented by the Laver, a basin for washing your hands, baptism in water) and entering a mediating 'wilderness' arena... a sanctuary called the 'Holy Place'.  (This room of the tabernacle contains the lampstand, the incense altar, and the altar of bread, alluding to the pillar of smoke and fire, and manna from heaven given in the Wilderness)  and finally passing through the 2nd veil in the tabernacle leading to the 'Most Holy Place', is a picture of Israel entering crossing over the Jordan river and entering Canaan or the Promised Land containing the very presence of God, located upon the Ark of the Covenant within this inner chamber.)  ...



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Is he ruling over , poetically speaking, Buddhist kingdoms, or Muslim kingdoms?  Not really, atleast not as a single man born some odd 2000 years ago, atleast I don’t think I can understand how that could be considering the man is gone but a religion was constructed around his life’s teachings and stories related or seemingly related to it as prophetic and mythicaly abrhamic.

Does that take away anything from the actual teachings he gave? No.  But the point is to reflect on the things as they actually are, or as close as we can.

However in another sense, many Buddhists see Christ as one having attained enlightenment, and obviously the Quran speaks of him as prophet most high (besides Mohammed )(but that’s their stick).

So in another way, it doesn’t matter the way in which it’s often thought about and understood by a majority.  To an extent.  Ok I done here, much love and have a good night.




Who else came in such authority as the man Jesus, called the Christ?

Human history itself seems to crowd around his figure.  The whole world stands in the shadow of the cross... this Jewish commoner who was mocked and spit on and killed like a slave.  Why does history seem to bow towards this man?

Who claimed the things he did with such seeming authority?  Who else has such amazing prophecy behind him?  Jesus is an enigma above all others.

Jesus is a person, who... the more you consider him, and study him, the more you are stunned by the concealed evidence of him. 

I think the truth has a way of repelling those disinterested in it, while, on the other hand, inviting the believer into its mystery.  I say that, because it seems to be the way Jesus acted.  His very character had this quality, according to the Bible.  Think of how Jesus comes in the appearance of a comman man, no more divine than the next person.  He presents himself as a living mystery.  Easily dismissed by the hard of heart, yet in reality, for those with ears to hear, and eyes to see... He reveals himself as the doorway to the kingdom of heaven.




It’s only because Christianity dominated the world for centuries and people weren’t allowed to question it. The Bible is far from the truth, it’s a book of stories written by humans.

Also if you are referring to the character of Jesus he is FAR from perfect when you actually read the Bible. He just seems like some guy, and possibly a cult leader when you look at everything he did or said. He loved all, as long as they followed him. He’s not a living mystery, that’s what the church wants people to believe. He’s just a man, assuming he existed.

“Jesus was no perfect man, no meek or wise messiah: in fact his philosophies were and are largely immoral, often violent, as well as shallow and irrational. There have been many proposed sons of god, and this Jesus person is no more valid or profound than his priestly precursors. In fact, his contemporary Apollonius was unquestionably the superior logician and philosopher. …Christianity has caused more terror and torture and murder than any similar phenomenon.”

I mean the guy essentially said that people who didn’t kneel before him should be brought forward and slain.


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Re: about Jesus [Re: saved7]
    #26588481 - 04/09/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Jospeh and Jesus similarities is parallelism.  Likely left in the current bible by the monks who sutured it into a book of stories for partly that reason ,  and it remained there by the rule of the Councils who decreed what should go and what should remain in what is in the Bible today.




It's not just with similar stories.  The Bible has a more 'fractal' nature than that.  The tabernacle design, for example, is not a story but a piece of architecture, a building plan, which is itself an image of Israel's migratory trek from Egypt, to the Wilderness, to Canaan.  (The outer court of the Tabernacle is Egypt, containing the altar of sacrifice, the blood of the lamb on the Jewish slaves' doorposts... passing through the first tent veil in the Tabernacle represents passing through the Red Sea (additionally represented by the Laver, a basin for washing your hands, baptism in water) and entering a mediating 'wilderness' arena... a sanctuary called the 'Holy Place'.  (This room of the tabernacle contains the lampstand, the incense altar, and the altar of bread, alluding to the pillar of smoke and fire, and manna from heaven given in the Wilderness)  and finally passing through the 2nd veil in the tabernacle leading to the 'Most Holy Place', is a picture of Israel entering crossing over the Jordan river and entering Canaan or the Promised Land containing the very presence of God, located upon the Ark of the Covenant within this inner chamber.)  ...



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Is he ruling over , poetically speaking, Buddhist kingdoms, or Muslim kingdoms?  Not really, atleast not as a single man born some odd 2000 years ago, atleast I don’t think I can understand how that could be considering the man is gone but a religion was constructed around his life’s teachings and stories related or seemingly related to it as prophetic and mythicaly abrhamic.

Does that take away anything from the actual teachings he gave? No.  But the point is to reflect on the things as they actually are, or as close as we can.

However in another sense, many Buddhists see Christ as one having attained enlightenment, and obviously the Quran speaks of him as prophet most high (besides Mohammed )(but that’s their stick).

So in another way, it doesn’t matter the way in which it’s often thought about and understood by a majority.  To an extent.  Ok I done here, much love and have a good night.




Who else came in such authority as the man Jesus, called the Christ?

Human history itself seems to crowd around his figure.  The whole world stands in the shadow of the cross... this Jewish commoner who was mocked and spit on and killed like a slave.  Why does history seem to bow towards this man?

Who claimed the things he did with such seeming authority?  Who else has such amazing prophecy behind him?  Jesus is an enigma above all others.

Jesus is a person, who... the more you consider him, and study him, the more you are stunned by the concealed evidence of him. 

I think the truth has a way of repelling those disinterested in it, while, on the other hand, inviting the believer into its mystery.  I say that, because it seems to be the way Jesus acted.  His very character had this quality, according to the Bible.  Think of how Jesus comes in the appearance of a comman man, no more divine than the next person.  He presents himself as a living mystery.  Easily dismissed by the hard of heart, yet in reality, for those with ears to hear, and eyes to see... He reveals himself as the doorway to the kingdom of heaven.




"Human history itself seems to crowd around his figure...Why does history seem to bow towards this man?"

Why do you constantly use this fallacious line of reasoning?  Are you unaware of the intellectual dishonesty or do you do it on purpose?

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Popularity


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Re: about Jesus [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26589006 - 04/09/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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It’s only because Christianity dominated the world for centuries and people weren’t allowed to question it.




But history didn't first begin in the middle ages did it?

This was a relatively unknown man of no status, who was mocked, spit on, and hung on a cross to die like a common slave.  Do you think it's strange that belief in this person came to dominate the world at all?


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Re: about Jesus [Re: saved7]
    #26589135 - 04/09/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
It’s only because Christianity dominated the world for centuries and people weren’t allowed to question it.




But history didn't first begin in the middle ages did it?

This was a relatively unknown man of no status, who was mocked, spit on, and hung on a cross to die like a common slave.  Do you think it's strange that belief in this person came to dominate the world at all?




History didn't begin there though, but the story about him isn't entirely what people the world over know. Like I said he wasn't a perfect human being, he was flawed like the rest of us. Also plenty of beliefs dominate and fade, I mean people think a man in a lion cloth has the truth of the universe.

I'm not impressed that the religion dominated the world I would be impressed by humans who didn't worship something or someone. There were better man than Christ in this world,you just don't hear about them.


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Re: about Jesus [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26590322 - 04/10/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
It’s only because Christianity dominated the world for centuries and people weren’t allowed to question it.




But history didn't first begin in the middle ages did it?

This was a relatively unknown man of no status, who was mocked, spit on, and hung on a cross to die like a common slave.  Do you think it's strange that belief in this person came to dominate the world at all?




History didn't begin there though, but the story about him isn't entirely what people the world over know. Like I said he wasn't a perfect human being, he was flawed like the rest of us. Also plenty of beliefs dominate and fade, I mean people think a man in a lion cloth has the truth of the universe.

I'm not impressed that the religion dominated the world I would be impressed by humans who didn't worship something or someone. There were better man than Christ in this world,you just don't hear about them.




So you do you think it's just some crazy fluke of history that the world came to regard a half-naked Jewish criminal nailed on a wooden cross as Lord over all creation?

Is it also a fluke that the Gospel authors had absolute confidence that this would be the case?  That all the nations would come to regard Jesus as King.

To say nothing of the Old Testament prophecies and foreshadowings that preceded him.  At a certain point, it begins to require more faith to believe it is all a coincidence, than to simply accept the truth:  Jesus is exactly who he said he is.


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Re: about Jesus [Re: saved7]
    #26590539 - 04/10/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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saved7 said:
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Thanatos10 said:
It’s only because Christianity dominated the world for centuries and people weren’t allowed to question it.




But history didn't first begin in the middle ages did it?

This was a relatively unknown man of no status, who was mocked, spit on, and hung on a cross to die like a common slave.  Do you think it's strange that belief in this person came to dominate the world at all?




History didn't begin there though, but the story about him isn't entirely what people the world over know. Like I said he wasn't a perfect human being, he was flawed like the rest of us. Also plenty of beliefs dominate and fade, I mean people think a man in a lion cloth has the truth of the universe.

I'm not impressed that the religion dominated the world I would be impressed by humans who didn't worship something or someone. There were better man than Christ in this world,you just don't hear about them.




So you do you think it's just some crazy fluke of history that the world came to regard a half-naked Jewish criminal nailed on a wooden cross as Lord over all creation?

Is it also a fluke that the Gospel authors had absolute confidence that this would be the case?  That all the nations would come to regard Jesus as King.

To say nothing of the Old Testament prophecies and foreshadowings that preceded him.  At a certain point, it begins to require more faith to believe it is all a coincidence, than to simply accept the truth:  Jesus is exactly who he said he is.




Yeah, humans have the tendency to believe in things in mass and still be wrong. Your reasoning is fallacious in nature, yet you still aren't honest enough to admit it.


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Re: about Jesus [Re: saved7]
    #26590545 - 04/10/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ever seen Life of Brian?


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Re: about Jesus [Re: qman]
    #26590989 - 04/10/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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humans have the tendency to believe in things in mass and still be wrong




Indeed they do.

Man's paradigms have a way of collapsing in on themselves, no matter how self-assured they are in their collective wisdom.

The name above all names, Jesus Christ, the Word of God, will remain forever, until the end of this age and beyond.  What was foretold has come to be, and is still yet to come.  The alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.  The Way, the Truth, and the Life.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
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Re: about Jesus [Re: saved7]
    #26591013 - 04/10/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So let's say there really was a son of God walking on the earth and all in the bible is said about him and about God is true, what's so great about that? Is it the eternal life in heaven part or what's the point?


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Re: about Jesus [Re: saved7]
    #26591026 - 04/10/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Christs words ring true, but all the other shenanigans, naw.


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Re: about Jesus [Re: saved7]
    #26591086 - 04/10/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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humans have the tendency to believe in things in mass and still be wrong




Indeed they do.

Man's paradigms have a way of collapsing in on themselves, no matter how self-assured they are in their collective wisdom.

The name above all names, Jesus Christ, the Word of God, will remain forever, until the end of this age and beyond.  What was foretold has come to be, and is still yet to come.  The alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.  The Way, the Truth, and the Life.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
- 1 Corinthians 1:20




"will remain forever"

That's simply not true, more likely than not humans will become extinct in the near future, just like 99.9% of the species that have existed on Earth.

Maybe humans will blend into AI and become a new species and survive in other worlds when the earth no longer exists, but at that point ancient myths will be completely dismissed and forgotten by rational processes.


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Re: about Jesus [Re: shroomening]
    #26591360 - 04/10/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

yes, but perhaps there are relevant teachings for living today.

whichever way your pleasure tends!


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Re: about Jesus [Re: AroundtheSon]
    #26591524 - 04/10/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The truth is its all the same exact thing whether you reject the bibles message or agree with it you are still a holy one with a different divine plan! If everybody were religious and believed in the bible the people left out would feel useless and hopeless with existence God picks people to believe or not believe so we affect all human kind no matter who we are even atheists love the idea of a Non God the fact is everyone is obsessed with this idea of God it is the straight goods of existence we all have our own purpose and not fulfilling your purpose or destiny or divine plan establishing divinity in yourself first some people go to guide books instruction manuals well the bible is an instruction manual to God and Jesus it is not the most appealing thing because people hate the ideas of being limited and they love being free let be people be free to be who to who they want and serve the most HIGH by serving the MOST HIGH in the most HIGH way for themselves therefore serving the rest of humanity our brothers and sisters our fathers and mothers some call GOD different things like ALLAH or JESUS or ME and YOU its all the same thing hate is the true plague of this universe it is called to get us to reunionize with eachother that’s what I have to say my friend my friends of Heaven and Earth even i read the Holy bible 12 times Old Testament New Testament i learned my mission was to harmonize with humanity in the most high way and that is to SERVE GOD and ALL OF THE REST OF HUMANITY we were made in his image and he is made in our image human being is GOD GOD looks like a human being in a white robe!! We made it to the most high species in the universe haha!! Yes!! Glory be to all!! Whether you serve religion or not you are still fufilling GOD’s purpose and that is GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Human beings the greatest invention of man kind human lovers and haters the servers of the greatest divine will ever!! Love is magic!! Hearts connect!! We are all connected!! With energy and humility💜 we truly do care for one another and that is the greatest love of the universe to carefor ourselves and for eachother LOVE AND LIGHT Religion Spirituality Existence Existenceful are we let it be said again and a-gain shouted in the highest heavens called earth the true paradise!!!!!!!!!!........!!!!....!!!!!.,..!!!!!!! Read the bible or read anything and that is your connection to source how he planned it for you enjoy enjoy enjoy never hate your brothers and sisters and family the human family that our ultimate mother Eve and Father Adam Made for us forever and forever let human beings rise out of war and disgust and onto the higher path of love and light for all and all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: about Jesus [Re: Connection]
    #26591559 - 04/10/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

...and that's where you're wrong. We will all be subjected to a trial of our own design. Hypocrites will not stand


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Re: about Jesus [Re: Hartford]
    #26591617 - 04/10/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yep.. but christianity is only 2,000 years old tell me are you going to disregard all the millions and millions of years that humanity strived on for a book that is 2,000 years old stating you know the facts and everyone else is wrong that is preschool graduation right there I’m Right Your Wrong We are all Subject because God gave us a different plan for each other the fact is we all hold the truth in our hands my truth might be different from your truth but hating other humans based on a book written 2,000 years ago is just wrong there have been endless holy books that bring people back to God the Fact Is God Created Us All!! Did he not does he favor Christians over Atheists because of belief and not pure knowledge belief is flim flamsy direct experience and knowledge is the only truth it is true some Christians carry Knowledge over Belief Some Carry Belief over knowledge IT DOES NOT EVEN REALLY MATTER!!! WAKE UP!! The end times are now coming hate is leaving the door! Love is finally taking reign ❤️. Life has gotten better each second we’ve been alive second by second live improves time itself is the path of walking forward and leaving illusion you have a truth meter deep inside you it is called your Heart! ❤️ What made you guys the authority over God that is truly sick saying your religion is actually better than GOD’s PLAN if there were a hell true haters would be basking in it hating your own family of our human family is just sick do not let no book do that to you not even a Narcasstic Ass Book!! Let Books Guide You Onto Love There is No Wrong Or Right Just Judgements You can have multiple opinions but hateful opinions are best to keep it to yourself. Everyone involves with Being a Hypocrite you feel one way one moment another way! It is called learning doing the best to grow some of you make me sick and have not actually listened to The true words of Jesus................. JESUS Christ was a savior and here you are calling people hypocrites like you are the authority on The Word Of God Oh Well I Hope You Will Find Your Own Truth Some Day I Wish You Well Brother of Mine Read the Bible or Don’t know you don’t have to be saved because God already saved you before you were born and after your born. AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: about Jesus [Re: Connection]
    #26593728 - 04/11/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Christ isn’t the flawless man people think he is. His words don’t ring true.

Like I said there were better men than him.


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