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That’s more than likely. I think I rather see eye to eye with you. How I express myself on these forums is quite trolly and usually not an accurate reflection of my views. But it’s fun to assume the guise of differing beliefs, and at times even delusive beliefs, if only to understand those that assume them unassumingly. Quite fun.
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I kind of wonder what your accurate reflection is. I'll admit I don't know much but I don't suffer those who claim to have the answer to everything. I was kind of sad that scientists I ask tell me that what we have is a best guess of what's "out there" but I appreciate the honesty.
On a smaller scale I don't care about the capital T. I've lived happily not knowing the origin of things or anything else like that. If people want to do that then cool, but long ago as a kid I realized that such pursuits tend to detract from the NOW. I am here now and that's all that matters.
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Or to put it more bluntly
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Still could be a simulation
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You care, hence you reacting to other opinions. Caring can be good, see >>>.
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I do care, but not really about the capital T truth though. That was born of something darker inside me
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Thanatos10 said: I do care, but not really about the capital T truth though. That was born of something darker inside me
Dark side eyy?....
Thanatos, I am your Father!

Lmao, jp’n Than. Although I would like if you could please share your dark side story-ies...
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And the thread has come full circle...
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Well my darkside is mostly nihilism, which I am recovering from at the moment.
But the capital T truth is from an insecurity I had as a kid when my mom would belittle and ridicule me for not knowing the answers to things or for not having any thoughts on a matter. I essentially tie "knowing things" with my worth as a human and so it's agony when I can't understand something and it's hard for me to let things go because it feels like I am a total failure. It doesn't help when half the stuff I read on here I don't have a response to or I don't understand (which causes the same cycle of self flagellation and berating myself).
Something else I am working on, it's a long list.
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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10] 1
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Thanatos10 said: Also “oneness” is pretty psychopathic when you think about it.
Its not something to be thought of from the ego mind but rather experienced directly by silencing ones mind.
Experience and knowing is something quite different from thought.
Not really, they are all the same thing, mental activities. Oneness is a thought, there is no "Ego mind".
Honestly it all just sounds like a story the sages of the past made to explain what we know today to just be brain chemistry. It's poetic I'll give it that. Still doesn't change my view that it's psychotic.
I can tell from this you havn't had the experience yet.
The mind has to be completely silenced via meditation, it is not a thought - it is an experience accompanied with knowing.
Experience is very different from thought and logical reasoning.
Many people experience it during NDE while technically brain dead so wheres the thinking occuring exactly in your model?
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Trying to explain Oneness to someone who hasn't experienced it is like trying to describe the color red to a blind person. You have to experience it.
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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: HappySloth] 1
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The felt sensation of unity, or oneness as you call it, as felt under the influence of psychedelic drugs and sometimes under extreme duress (extreme meditation, nearly dying/stroke/heart failure/overdoses, etc) is the result of changes in biochemistry from - lack of oxygen/build up of carbon dioxide, and or extreme change - like a cascade effect of catecholamines ( or a change in other general way with NTs) and the ensuing bodily changes.
Psychedelic drugs can induce it by essentially mimicking certain catecholamines/N.T.s and by direct or indirect agonism or antagonism in relevant receptor sites, also cutting off, or lessening the blood flow to functionally specific parts of the brain/CNS/Sns that it’s otherwise accustomed to, in conjunction with the aforementioned reasons the brain influenced by psychs can directly induce a felt sensation of unity or oneness.
P.s. To say something is because of brain chemistry doesn’t take away from the dimension of experience, it simply gives an explanation that is chemical in nature, although it may give reason to re-examine ones beliefs after said experience. Furthermore, Chemicals, do have a magic like quality if you contemplate their function and potential. The word magic here is used to describe its awesomeness, powers, mysteriousness, and beauty.
Psychedelics and the previously mentioned acts or accidents and what not can do all of this by altering the normal homeostasis of the brain, affecting areas to do with perception, the senses, and emotion, etc. Also, brain function doesn’t stop in a NDE, if it did the individual would not be able to have experience. Structure/Function. Flatlining for minutes at a time doesn’t mean your necessarily dead, hence how people can be revived and come back from near death. If one is actual dead you cannot come back. (To this life)... Try having an experience without a head and the organic machinery inside of it to generate it!
Scientific and medical understanding of the body and of various studies have developed to a point where it’s able to detect actual death vs the appearance of death (appearance being -non responsive, no heartbeat, no reflex. and almost unconscious to fully for a time .vs. actual being - no electrical charge, no brain activity, combined with no breathing or heartbeat, etc for a specific duration of time)
Now let me add this, what I said before doesn’t detract from the experience of the phenomena of what you call “oneness” , known in the aforementioned states. I personally call it a “non dual” awareness state of consciousness, because referring to as 1 can easily give an impression that leads to an equally myopic view as the view that everything is only separate. It’s also not just 0, it’s not just 1, it’s not just 2. I don’t think its a number at all. Appointing a number to is is more dualistic conceptualization ( so is this but language was developed by brains that’s default is mostly dualistic, soo it’s tricky) , and implies it’s “this” and-or “that” or “is” or “is not”, in reality it’s beyond all dualistic conceptions. However, the term- “Non dual”, semantically is more accurate and more just to the relative truth of our lives and to the experience itself of unity under the above conditions.
Experientially, it is quite mystical and special, a big deal beforehand( when ones unawares of it , or only knows it via intellect), but it’s also not a big deal because of the fact it’s so natural and ordinary once known and after it’s known experientially and intellectually- and the non dual primal awareness whilst in that state of drug or non drug induced consciousness seems to allow the individual a completely new view/vision via the temporary negation of illusorics (natural mystical state of primordial non dual being-awareness) from which to consider and experience life, and is also revered by all religion and spiritual circles, with infinite potential, wisdom, and clarification via utter pristine simple clarity, and the opportunity to see/know ourselves as we truly are and the rest of the entire cosmos in a way that defies words, seeing/knowing/being through and beyond the spell of our default mode that our body normally propagates.
When we know and see our ordinary mode but also beyond that mode, we are truly non dual at its finest, mind and senses unclouded by the fixed/built/simulated perception of concrete separation between subject and object. Now we can integrate the knowledge and view from both modes to live like we are alive for the first and final time in this mysterious Cosmos. Now that’s primordially pure, and primordially good.
In my life, experiencing the “oneness”. Or rather, Non dual awareness, is one of the most sacred to me, a bottomless pool a joyous bliss and non dual wisdom from which drink from dailyI, andit settled the great matter for me, but that can’t be put into words, it’s ineffable, and only known as what’s truly divine and true with primordial confidence after the brain natural tendency to return to its natural state of equilibrium where the appearance and sense of one self and everything else is again as it was, but forever more now with gnosis. now we know beyond a shadow of a doubt, we can never go back and our lives forever changed. Psychedelic induced shamanic mysticism, ecstatic Union with the divine, has this at its core. Nature as known on Earth itself has evolved over countless ages to produce plants, fungi, animals, and bacteria that when used in this context, can induce an experiential foretaste into the nature of Mind. Still, the nature of Mind is mysterious and unknown, hyper nameless.
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It’s wonderful, but also...the relative or mundane or ordinary natural state is just as much so, it’s the launch pad for all other states and it’s the Goldilocks state , every human being that ever will be “are also on the same bus or boat as you - since all experience has these 2 dimensions of “magical illusion” (since they are both temporary and shared simulations) and that’s more amazing than anything imho. Because in the non dual state everything’s open and interdependence is inescapably obvious.
While our ordinary state is a temporary one( by virtue of when it changes via drugs or sleepiness or death and>) in that its being processed and generated by the brain and its ability to structure phenomenological events into pieces, the state of consciousness in which we experience the phenomena of non dual awareness the pieces are known as whole because brain procccess no longer chop up and discriminate infinity, it’s whole like before our brains developed to structure reality into illusory categories for the sake of surviving as an embodied being ( which is not a bad thing btw, it’s how and why we can function like we do in the day to day, but also the cause of experiential dualism - the brain!) So it’s close to new born state and close to dead state maybe.
It’s one and many, many in one, one in many. Not not just 1, not just 2, not just oneness, not just pluralism. It’s interdependent and Interconnectedness with everything and all Right here right now, Straight ahead lies the way.
It’s experientially Primordially Non- dual. The optical illusion that Einstein talks about in a certain quote of his akin is the ordinary felt sense of self or being, non-dual primordial awareness is what he hints at in the quote by him that I alluded to, and it’s what happens when our brains lose their simulated or self created and developed sense of self and body outline awareness in a certain way, and as close to the unborn and deathless as you can be before being straight up actual dead! . and it’s everyone’s fav 
Lastly, if you can simply realize that we are currently under what is akin to a spell of magical illusion, and that by recognizing it we are instantly released from a conceptual cage, into an enchanting reality that is akin to pure pleasure itself. That reality is Illusion- apparent yet absent, and by recognizing it in a state of non contrived relaxation we find the key to the natural mystical state. Meditation, psychedelics, exogenous or endogeounsly achieved, doesn’t matter...Once it has thus been lost, enslavement to impure circumstantial illusion becomes dominant pure enchantment. As if we were never to awaken from lucid dream, pure mind infuses the primordial ground.
PPS... I know at times I made it seem that primordial non-dual awareness is just something to “achieve or get or induce via some practice as if it’s on one time and off another but that’s not the case- the unavoidable truth for those with eyes to see is that its shining through everything we can possible experience and in every moment 24/7 throughout the entire span of our lives without a trace or a seam...absent, yet apparent...wether we realize it or not, consciously know or don’t- it’s always already been there the whole time, always here and now.
... but explaining that would take a book, and this is just a forum. 
The search to become one with X is delusive in a sense. Because, as one poet says...
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We think of the key, each in his prison thinking of the key, each confirms a prison.
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You cannot become one with yourself, the universe, or anything, because you already are- because reality and all it’s phenomena are primordially interdependently originated, and by extension, interconnected, or as colloquially known, “One”... that Absolute Truth is what non-dual primal awareness shines a light on, dawning like stainless radiance. Behind, beyond and through and through it all.
Last but not Least x 2 : A prayer, incantation, chant, suttra i find relevant for evoking a foretaste Of the nature of Mind ~~~  
*** In the space where all experience remains in potential, emerges a grand display of nondual awareness and illusion, the original spontaneity of our sovereign nature of mind: Indivisible from that, unmoving, to that we bow down...
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What this message is attempting to convey is akin to/ along the lines of- what I typed out in the post above, but not necessarily exactly what I typed out, but close enough!!! I could have been more accurate in many parts, but I don’t feel like writing while checking my sources for the exact terms and info and all that right now. Work it out yourselves, or don’t! Ultimately won’t matter because its matter = 0 sum.
*** May this contribute to the awakening of the pure mind of all beings.
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My opinion is most people have terribly uninformed, biased, close-minded opinions in general.
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Wow that is a very interesting post
Can’t say I’ve ever felt “oneness” or had a NDE on psychedelics but I had a fleeting thought on shrooms once about how everything is a cycle I had the knowledge of it one hundred percent but the thought slipped away like when you wake up and try to remember a cool dream
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I have had the universe figured out on a dose of mushrooms, but I forget what I learned over night/after sleeping. I have to keep going back to learn, over, and over again. I'm not complaining either, lol. I'm with thanatos on this that the truth doesn't really matter as all will be revealed (or not) upon ones death bead. Then you, I, and everyone will know, but the trick is you have to "die" 1st. The cosmic joke, lol. I just have a good time, try to make people happy, and don't fuck with anyone, and be kind, giving, and thoughtful as much as possible. Enjoy life people!
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Still sounds like oneness is just another experience but that doesn’t mean anything when it comes to describing reality. Essentially what you have put forth is but poetry that doesn’t get at the truth of what this sensation really is.
It’s all just brain chemistry/neuroscience in the end but like any experience you can make objective claims about humans from a personal experience. You say pointing out that it’s just brain chemistry doesn’t detract from the experience but it does, it shows us what is really going on not what you feel is going on. Love is very much in the same category and like love you and everyone else ascribe more to it than what it was and draw unwarranted conclusions from what it is. I do it with love but not for this.
The truth is we are separate but in a sense connected as well. What happens to you doesn’t affect me or hurt me but I’m sure there are other things that can take place that do. I’m not doubting the bliss since we have recorded that in labs too but the wisdom is simply not true and what you experience isn’t a natural state but rather an induced one. You’re even making thing ups like the Divine which isn’t real and the “mind” for which there is less evidence for each day.
All I’m saying is that like every human being, myself included, you affix more to the story of the experience and make it more than what it is, which is a hallucination. Consciousness is a product of the brain which is why such drugs and meditation “alter” it. But such a state isn’t reality because it is temporary.
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... I know at times I made it seem that primordial non-dual awareness is just something to “achieve or get or induce via some practice as if it’s on one time and off another but that’s not the case- the unavoidable truth for those with eyes to see is that its shining through everything we can possible experience and in every moment 24/7 throughout the entire span of our lives without a trace or a seam...absent, yet apparent...wether we realize it or not, consciously know or don’t- it’s always already been there the whole time, always here and now.
Except it’s not, it’s a story you and everyone else made up to explain what happened. Its not the truth of existence, not even from a physics standpoint. I’m sorry to say that it’s a nice story but that’s all it really is. Most people spend their lives inside stories I mean look at religion, seems you aren’t much different. This whole post doesn’t sound much different from other descriptions of religion.
And just like those other descriptors we know what is really going on thanks to modern neuroscience. No nonduality or “consciousness”, just the brain. So what you take to be “nondual reality” is really just in your head, like god or anything else. That’s why I don’t place much stock in such mystical experiences now that I know what they really are.
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