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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26587603 - 04/08/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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If God exists in a higher dimension and we dont know how to access those higher dimensions, then theres no proof of God (yet).

Once humans can access higher dimensions of reality, perhaps thats when we will find evidence of God.




You are assuming higher dimensions even exist or that God even exists. Again no evidence to support any of that:


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26587658 - 04/08/20 11:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Plus there is no reason to create reality, at the very least it couldn’t be a compassionate or loving god that did all this


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: TheStallionMang] * 2
    #26587673 - 04/08/20 11:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you really tried to sit and think about the precise moment the universe became real and how that is even possible you can feel your brain starting to hurt. It’s beyond our understanding as humans. This doesn’t mean we need to push everyone else down to rise up OP, we must enjoy our time here on earth.

That being said there are too many mystical/paranormal experiences out there for us not to believe there’s something ‘else’ ya know. It’s crazy, we’ll find out one day.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #26587678 - 04/08/20 11:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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If you really tried to sit and think about the precise moment the universe became real and how that is even possible you can feel your brain starting to hurt. It’s beyond our understanding as humans. This doesn’t mean we need to push everyone else down to rise up OP, we must enjoy our time here on earth.

That being said there are too many mystical/paranormal experiences out there for us not to believe there’s something ‘else’ ya know. It’s crazy, we’ll find out one day.




Actually most mystical experiences are all just brain chemistry and paranormal ones are really just mundane occurrences or misunderstandings. Humans have a knack for making things up or thinking something means X or Y or you know.

The beginning isn’t mind blowing and it doesn’t make your brain hurt. It happened and we are here now. That’s it and really all it needs to be. The origin of the universe is irrelevant to my daily life.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26587905 - 04/09/20 03:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yes it is irrelevant but I’m saying if you just sat down, took a deep breath, and really thought about the very beginning of time and space you could seriously have a brain aneurysm..try it.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: shroomening] * 1
    #26587927 - 04/09/20 03:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

God is everything.  So does anything and everything exist?  I say yes.


God is like the matrix of intelligent awareness from which all matter emerges.

Currently humans have it all backwards.

Matter is not primary.  Consciousness is and all is conscious and everything is alive.

There is no death, only energy transforming.

God is real god, is everything, yopu are god experiencing its creation as an illusionary seperate form.


In truth we are not seperate from god or from anything.  We are all one.



But hey don't take my word for it - the answers are all inside you, they are inside us, if we seek to unlock them.  All we have to do is silence the mind long enough to listen... meditate to oneness and experience it yourself!


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #26587928 - 04/09/20 03:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Yes it is irrelevant but I’m saying if you just sat down, took a deep breath, and really thought about the very beginning of time and space you could seriously have a brain aneurysm..try it.




Used to do that a lot when I was a small child.

It was always very overwhelming, in a good way.

I also used to close my eyes and watch the universe.

You know, all of those flowing colors.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: HappySloth]
    #26588325 - 04/09/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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God is everything.  So does anything and everything exist?  I say yes.


God is like the matrix of intelligent awareness from which all matter emerges.

Currently humans have it all backwards.

Matter is not primary.  Consciousness is and all is conscious and everything is alive.

There is no death, only energy transforming.

God is real god, is everything, yopu are god experiencing its creation as an illusionary seperate form.


In truth we are not seperate from god or from anything.  We are all one.



But hey don't take my word for it - the answers are all inside you, they are inside us, if we seek to unlock them.  All we have to do is silence the mind long enough to listen... meditate to oneness and experience it yourself!




That’s another false belief. Matter is primary as our brains are responsible for consciousness. Consciousness isn’t primary. There is such a thing as death but thinking otherwise is how humans cope.

Saying god is everything is...false or at the very least pointless. I can say matter is everything. You are not God experiencing creation. You are a body, a mere collection of matter.

Also the answers are no inside you, what you describe is the sensation of oneness that is the result of brain stimulation. Oneness is just a feeling, it’s not the truth of reality. We are not one.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26588451 - 04/09/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I respectfully yet completely disagree.

Where did you come from?  Where did your body come from?

You were born.

That means you are connected to your mother and father. 

Where did they come from?  Their mother and father.

We are not just all connected.  Ultimately we all come from the same source.

The source.  The one consciousness.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26588462 - 04/09/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Since you are a materialist maybe I can explain it this way too,

Think about the big bang, science is saying that we all came from the same singularity so its also confirming that we are all one.

Seperation is the greatest of all illusions.  You are not seperate.  You were born and you will die.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: HappySloth]
    #26588474 - 04/09/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Since you are a materialist maybe I can explain it this way too,

Think about the big bang, science is saying that we all came from the same singularity so its also confirming that we are all one.

Seperation is the greatest of all illusions.  You are not seperate.  You were born and you will die.




That’s actually a misunderstanding. The singularity is just one of many hypothesis as to the origin and is losing steam thanks to quantum mechanics. However that is not the same thing as saying we are all one, especially since the elements that make us up didn’t appear until millions of years later.

As for where I came from, my parents. There is no “source” that shows a misunderstanding of the Big Bang and the universe in general. Everything being made of similar elements does not make everything the same thing. The universe isn’t a monolithic thing, it’s a lot of little things. Also consciousness is a product of biology, in our case the brain. There is no source consciousness.

There is no oneness only the illusion of oneness.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26588501 - 04/09/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Also “oneness” is pretty psychopathic when you think about it.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26588697 - 04/09/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Lol it is on nobody. I'm saying the fact that anything exists at all is more proof that "god" exists than there is no proof that it does not. (Also when I refer to god I mean in general. Not tied to an specific religion)




The fact that anything exists means nothing at all. It’s just humans ascribing to reality more than what it is.

Once again you have no proof that god exists in any form.



Ok mister wise guy. If it's that easy then go ahead and make something from nothing.....no, please, take your time. I'll be here :wonka:


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26588751 - 04/09/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

We 'believe' in the veracity of our sensory experience. Although we know first that every sensory perception is contrived by the structure (the shape and form) and the function ('seeing', 'hearing') of the sense organ as sensory stimuli impinge upon it, and, second, by the projective and interpretive cognitive functions of the intellect, believing those perceptions to be real we reify them as objectively existent physical/mental reality.

These karmically induced chronic habits of interpretation and projection may be termed 'genetic' insofar as the basic beliefs about the external world are determined by the structure and function of the psycho-organism itself. Or the notion of 'past lives' from the very inception of the species of homo sapiens can be evoked to indicate the unconscious depth of the psyche that produces the interpretive/projective images by which develops though age to experience sickness and finally death.

The crass naive materialist thumping the table and saying, 'And isn't this real?' is in denial of the ineluctable dominant cognitive component of every perception. Indeed, in every cognitive event our specifically personal beliefs about the reality of the external world are undermined by the logic of variable sensory experience under evolving conditions. The subjectivity of our deeper, hidden, preconscious, common, shared beliefs about the external world and its presumed immutable reality are easily refuted by the proofs offered by the scanning electron microscope and by quantum theory and particle physics in the field of objective investigation.
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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26588771 - 04/09/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Lol it is on nobody. I'm saying the fact that anything exists at all is more proof that "god" exists than there is no proof that it does not. (Also when I refer to god I mean in general. Not tied to an specific religion)




The fact that anything exists means nothing at all. It’s just humans ascribing to reality more than what it is.

Once again you have no proof that god exists in any form.



Ok mister wise guy. If it's that easy then go ahead and make something from nothing.....no, please, take your time. I'll be here :wonka:




No one said the universe came from nothing, well maybe some do but I have no reason to believe them. None of that means a God in any way though.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26588789 - 04/09/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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W te 'believe' in the veracity of our sensory experience. Although we know firsthat every sensory perception is contrived by the structure (the shape and form) and the function ('seeing', 'hearing') of the sense organ as sensory stimuli impinge upon it, and, second, by the projective and interpretive cognitive functions of the intellect, believing those perceptions to be real we reify them as objectively existent physical/mental reality.

These karmically induced chronic habits of interpretation and projection may be termed 'genetic' insofar as the basic beliefs about the external world are determined by the structure and function of the psycho-organism itself. Or the notion of 'past lives' from the very inception of the species of homo sapiens can be evoked to indicate the unconscious depth of the psyche that produces the interpretive/projective images by which develops though age to experience sickness and finally death.

The crass naive materialist thumping the table and saying, 'And isn't this real?' is in denial of the ineluctable dominant cognitive component of every perception. Indeed, in every cognitive event our specifically personal beliefs about the reality of the external world are undermined by the logic of variable sensory experience under evolving conditions. The subjectivity of our deeper, hidden, preconscious, common, shared beliefs about the external world and its presumed immutable reality are easily refuted by the proofs offered by the scanning electron microscope and by quantum theory and particle physics in the field of objective investigation.
- booky.




Actually no they aren't. Quantum mechanics doesn't say anything about that, it just says that at the quantum level our understand of the universe breaks down but it doesn't apply at the macro level. Neither does the microscope as that is just showing us microscopic matter at a level we can see. There isn't anything "cognitive" to it.

We know that sensory data to be real, it's not belief. If you want to start doubting our senses then you're going to have to throw out everything from Buddhism, psychedelics, and everything else as well. Our senses are not entirely accurate but it's not enough to support what you're claiming.

I think anyone who isn't a materialist is naive since the evidence that we have is support enough for it. I mean there are some problems like Solipsism that no one can really get over, but that doesn't make it any less true or accurate in terms of explaining reality.

I don't see any reason to not think there isn't an external reality apart from us, otherwise why would you be talking to me and vice versa.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26588803 - 04/09/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Also “oneness” is pretty psychopathic when you think about it.




Its not something to be thought of from the ego mind but rather experienced directly by silencing ones mind.

Experience and knowing is something quite different from thought.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: HappySloth]
    #26588817 - 04/09/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Also “oneness” is pretty psychopathic when you think about it.




Its not something to be thought of from the ego mind but rather experienced directly by silencing ones mind.

Experience and knowing is something quite different from thought.




Not really, they are all the same thing, mental activities. Oneness is a thought, there is no "Ego mind".

Honestly it all just sounds like a story the sages of the past made to explain what we know today to just be brain chemistry. It's poetic I'll give it that. Still doesn't change my view that it's psychotic.


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26588832 - 04/09/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You completely made my point by missing it :thumbup:


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Re: Whats your opinion? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26588836 - 04/09/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You completely made my point by missing it :thumbup:




Or you didn't make a point at all. It's likely you weren't being clear.


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