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OfflinePhred
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Al Reuters does it again.
    #2658651 - 05/10/04 01:25 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Earlier today, followers of the Religion of Peace fired on mourners gathered to honor the pregnant Israeli woman, Tali Hatuel, and her four children who were executed at point blank range by other followers of the Religion of Peace seven days ago. They dressed as women, and fired from the same house the original murderers used.

So what's the Al Reuters headline?

"Israeli Soldiers Kill Two Palestinian Gunmen". http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/nm/20040509/wl_nm/mideast_shooting_dc

Here's another account from a different source: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1084073760763



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Re: Al Reuters does it again. [Re: Phred]
    #2659356 - 05/10/04 01:49 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Man, that really pisses me off. Stuff like that happens all the time. Reminds me of this: http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/reports/The_Photo_that_Started_it_All.asp


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Re: Al Reuters does it again. [Re: Phred]
    #2659575 - 05/10/04 03:04 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

yep not surprising
'ROP'=lolol


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Re: Al Reuters does it again. [Re: Phred]
    #2659704 - 05/10/04 03:36 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I don't object much to the headline; the article itself didn't strike me as biassed at all. The only problem with the headline is that it starts "Israeli soldiers kill..."
Actually, in this attack the only people killed were the palastinian gunmen.

Other possible headlines:
"Israeli soldiers kill two Palestinian Terrorists"
"Palestinians open fire on memorial service; shot by Israeli soldiers"
"Religion of peace not so peaceful"
"More people die in Israel; No prospect for peace"
"Palestinian terrorists ambush peaceful gathering"
"Praise Jesus! more Arab scum shot dead"
"Terrorists killed in time"
"Israelis kill Palestinians, demolish homes"
"Terrorists disguise themselves as women"



If the Reuters headline biassed, how about the Jerusalem Post:
"IDF demolishes 13 homes near site of Hatuel ambush" - it also emphasises the role of the Israelis.


I think the headline and article in the case are accurate, and any bias in the headline could be a result of emphasising the deaths rather than the role played by Israeli soldiers.


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Re: Al Reuters does it again. [Re: Phred]
    #2659710 - 05/10/04 03:37 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I noticed that you didn't post the headline from your comparison article in the Jerusalem Post, which read "IDF demolishes 13 homes near site of Hatuel ambush".

I don't really see what the issue is supposed to be here, 2 Palestinian gunmen were reported killed weren't they? The reuters article was also written the day before, so the info about the demolitions couldn't have been covered anyway.


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Re: Al Reuters does it again. [Re: Edame]
    #2659929 - 05/10/04 05:12 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I think the point is the headline put emphasis one Israelis killing Palestinians, while glossing over the fact that the Palestinians were attacking Israelis in the first place and it was self-defense. Somebody just reading the headline might conclude that the Israelis were just killing Palestinians for the hell of it (like many of this board believe), when in actuality they were defending themselves against a terrorist attack.
I think the framing of the facts does matter.


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Re: Al Reuters does it again. [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2659960 - 05/10/04 05:19 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I agree, the framing of the facts can matter.

However, I think the headline of the article could be phrased the way it is to emphasize the death that occured. Also, it did say "Palestinian gunmen", which I think eliminates the possiblity that people would think they were killed for the hell of it.


Additionally, the headline from a clearly pro-Israel source sounded just as hard on the Israelis, although the article was ballenced and informative.


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Re: Al Reuters does it again. [Re: Phred]
    #2660031 - 05/10/04 05:36 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Israeli soldiers on Sunday killed two Palestinian gunmen disguised as women



So maybe those guys in the prison pictures were actually captured wearing womens underwear they own!


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