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Help needed with lack of bulk please.
    #26585333 - 04/08/20 12:27 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hi all,

I have successfully managed to colonise a jar of grain with Albino. It was shaken a few times and kept fluffing back up as i was waiting for some coir to bulk it with. The coir did not come due to corona virus disrupting the post. In the end i decided to put the grain in a plastic tub, case it with verm, cover it for a few days and then start misting and fanning.

It is 5 days on since i pulled off the foil. No sign of pins. Will this work? as i have 6 more jars that are 25% colonised and i want to figure out a way of fruiting with minimal materials.

Is there anything else i could use?

Thanks in advance.


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Re: Help needed with lack of bulk please. [Re: mongoosed]
    #26585339 - 04/08/20 12:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have used vermiculite a couple of times as a casing and for me it really sucked balls.
sometimes I get some pins but usually nothing. there are ample casing layer materials but I guess you'll run in the same problem as with your coir. either that the shops are closed or that postage will be late.
Know that you can safely store ready spawn in the fridge until your coir comes in.


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Re: Help needed with lack of bulk please. [Re: mongoosed] * 1
    #26585340 - 04/08/20 12:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

pins can take up to two weeks (14 days) to show or even sometimes longer

just wait and keep up proper surface moisture. don't over mist

you should only shake your jar once around 25%-35% for fastest colonization times.


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Re: Help needed with lack of bulk please. [Re: xnirvanax]
    #26585541 - 04/08/20 04:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What you're doing should work, maybe try adding some water mid-flush to fuel the water needs of fruiting.  Also, you may need to mist since a small cased grain like that can't sustain humidity on its own in a large fruiting chamber like a bulk sub.

If you can't get coir for the rest of your grows, I suggests spawning to field capacity vermiculite as a bulk substrate.  This was known as the rez effect.  You can also case at spawning with the same field capacity verm and fruit it in a monotub.  You can also use peat moss as part of a bulk substrate mix, I've done it.  It provides water to fuel fruiting just like verm.  I see no reason to make a peat verm mix though, unless verm is very expensive where you are.

I couldn't find a proper tek for rez effect, but here are a couple of log-ish things.  I'm guessing between 1:1 and 1:2 spawn to verm would be good, as colonization will not result in additional nutrients like coir conceivably does, only additional water.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1939583
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3849313


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Re: Help needed with lack of bulk please. [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #26585563 - 04/08/20 05:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Seriously, don't use verm, it's awful. Myc needs something to grab on to but it won't colonize verm.

Honestly if I were you and I had no alternative, I'd go outside, fill a quart jar with dirt, PC it and use that for a casing. Put it right over the verm if you've already laid verm down. It's not ideal but just about anything is better than straight verm, trust me I speak from experience in this one.

As mentioned above, after you case expect to wait at least two weeks for pins off straight grain.


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Re: Help needed with lack of bulk please. [Re: metaphoric]
    #26585566 - 04/08/20 05:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

As Mach sort of mentions you're better off using hydrated verm to bulk up your grains rather than as a casing layer.


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Re: Help needed with lack of bulk please. [Re: metaphoric]
    #26585972 - 04/08/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Do you have any pet stores around you? You can get 3 packs of eco earth core for like $10 if you do.

And they are still open. Petsmart and the other popular one I’ve been to in the past week.


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Re: Help needed with lack of bulk please. [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26587897 - 04/09/20 02:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for all the suggestions. I am learning more and more from reading all this info so thanks.

I have a plan that will maybe work. I am going to just ride this first one through as it is only a small tub. Gonna see if it will pin with just a casing and plenty of fanning and misting. I will let you know how it works out.

As for the other jars of grain i have colonising, i have horse manure i can collect from a field nearby. Can anyone say if this would work? If i collected the manure and then pc'd it for an hr then mixed it with the colonised grain. Also if i did do this would it be a 1:1 ratio mix?
If i was to do this do i need to case it after mixing?

Also which is better, coco coir or horse sh*t?


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Re: Help needed with lack of bulk please. [Re: mongoosed]
    #26587986 - 04/09/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Seriously verm casing works terrible, save yourself the time and headache. But it's your call 🤷🏻‍♂️

Horse poo works great, just be sure to research proper pasteurization techniques. You use an oven, not a pc. There are tons of poo teks out there, it really doesn't matter which animal the poo came from, any manure tek will work


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Re: Help needed with lack of bulk please. [Re: metaphoric]
    #26587990 - 04/09/20 04:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

And to answer your last question,  poo seems to boost your overall yield a bit but coir is a lot more fool-proof.


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Re: Help needed with lack of bulk please. [Re: metaphoric]
    #26588293 - 04/09/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Pasteurization. Thankyou for pointing that out i see you need to kill only the bad stuff and keep the good. Will research that, but poo seams to be a good substrate. I will go get some.


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