|
Turvenuija
Up shroom creek without a paddle

Registered: 11/07/18
Posts: 190
Last seen: 18 days, 8 hours
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: redgreenvines]
#26628947 - 04/26/20 06:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Northerner said: Lysergamides are not tryptamines. They do not induce visions. Next time try listening to or making music, painting a picture, walking in the forest, even tripping with a close friend. Do something, be in the moment, go with your impulses. There is a whole range of experience to be had with lsd in its fractal swarm, the most interesting and euphoric experiences you are ever likely to encounter, but it won't be found behind your eyelids.
I have been very ignorant about LSD then. I did my homework when I got into mushrooms but I must have gotten overconfident and lazy when jumping into LSD, thinking that tripping on it works the same just because they seem similar in my mind. I'll plan some actual activities to try for next time, sounds exciting.
I almost always dive into the visions when eating mushrooms so actually doing something different sounds good to me, going outside is impossible though. I don't want neighbors or anyone getting wind of my weird hobbies. A summer cottage retreat with mushrooms or LSD would be amazing though.
Quote:
redgreenvines said: loving the term fractal swarm.
I think visions come if they come no matter what drug, and it is not fair to say lysergamides won't help induce them.
the stimulant effects may prevent dreamlike episodes unless you purposedly close your eyes and get into some shamanic journey thing.
That dreamlike state is what I love about mushrooms, I guess LSD isn't optimal for that kind of thing.
--------------------
|
Northerner
splelling chceker


Registered: 07/29/12
Posts: 14,141
Loc: FNQ
Last seen: 32 minutes, 58 seconds
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: redgreenvines]
#26628963 - 04/26/20 06:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Interesting. 
I've never had a vision from lsd. I've had the fractal tracers materialize into solid objects on high doses, but that's about it. One time I had the two pillars materialize in my living area. Had a silver rainbow texture to them. Very vivid, blew me away.
Tryptamines on the other hand have taken me to distant worlds and introduced me to sentient beings that I never knew before.
I thought that was kinda normal, if such a things can ever be classed as normal.
--------------------
The nearest we ever come to knowing truth is when we are witness to paradox.
|
Turvenuija
Up shroom creek without a paddle

Registered: 11/07/18
Posts: 190
Last seen: 18 days, 8 hours
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: Northerner]
#26628983 - 04/26/20 06:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I saw faces and various objects behind closed eyelids, I guess they count as visions but they didn't stick around and they were a far cry from mushroom visions that take you to other worlds like you said. Things materializing around you with open eyes always gets me, that happened a little bit on LSD too and those were fun to look at.
I think I prefer the open eye visual effects of LSD over mushroom visuals, they're very erratic and fun.
--------------------
|
Northerner
splelling chceker


Registered: 07/29/12
Posts: 14,141
Loc: FNQ
Last seen: 32 minutes, 58 seconds
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: Turvenuija]
#26629019 - 04/26/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Indeed, very bright and colourful open eye visuals.
Plants are amazing on LSD as well, they all appear to be growing. Even the texture of the melamine on the bench tops can be interesting. One time I was sat at my bench tripping and I noticed all these ants had started to walk around in circles. After looking at them for a while and trying to figure out why I squashed one with my finger. It was just a bit of dirt. lol. Clearly wasn't moving at all.
If you like DMT, you should smoke changa on the tail end of LSD. As said by the marvelous Dr Seuss "Oh the places you'll go, the things you'll see". It's one hell of a combination that I highly recommend. Complete transportation to other worlds with the most curious happenings.
--------------------
The nearest we ever come to knowing truth is when we are witness to paradox.
|
Nature Boy
Stranger than most



Registered: 07/09/07
Posts: 8,241
Loc: Samsara
Last seen: 2 months, 5 days
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: Northerner] 2
#26629034 - 04/26/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Northerner said: Lysergamides are not tryptamines. They do not induce visions.
I've had it go both ways. I would say in my personal experience, you are correct ~70% of the time. However (and I have no idea what influences the outcome) I absolutely have had visionary experiences on high(er) doses of LSD. Last June in Sedona comes to mind. I passed THROUGH the fractal swarm (the glyphs) and entered a VERY visionary state.
The visionary state IS there to be had within the mind/molecule interaction. You just have to stumble upon the set of conditions, dose, or (perhaps long lay-off of LSD) that leads you there. I offer this trip report (for those who have not read it) as an example. I'm sure you can find other members who have similar reports/experiences.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26051669#26051669
-------------------- All submitted posts under this user name are works of pure fiction or outright lies. Any information, statement, or assertion contained therein should be considered pure unadulterated bullshit. Note well: Sorry, but I do not answer PM's unless you are a long-time trusted friend. If you have a question, ask it in the appropriate thread.
|
InnerWisdom



Registered: 08/09/19
Posts: 1,936
Loc: North EU
Last seen: 4 days, 11 hours
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: Nature Boy]
#26629091 - 04/26/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I am under the impression that Alex Grey's art was inspired a lot by LSD in particular, so I think it can definitely produce visions based on this. I have no personal experience really other than a Jester or trickster figure appearing on AL-LAD once.
|
Northerner
splelling chceker


Registered: 07/29/12
Posts: 14,141
Loc: FNQ
Last seen: 32 minutes, 58 seconds
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: Nature Boy]
#26629097 - 04/26/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
That's a great report. I've been taking lsd for a very long time and not had anything that compares with that. Would be so super stoked if that did happen. Maybe if I lie down and relax on the come up I could jump in that pool too.
Thanks a bunch for sharing it.
--------------------
The nearest we ever come to knowing truth is when we are witness to paradox.
|
Dark_Star
train driver pervading a desktop


Registered: 08/20/04
Posts: 31,859
Loc: Uranus
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: Northerner]
#26629172 - 04/26/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I tend to get visions from LSD. Always have but at the end of the day, it’s the effect on the mind that draws me in. The introspection & ability to imprint/change perspective & therefore is what I really love about LSD. But it’s plenty deep for me, and full of visions when I eat 200+ mics.
--------------------
|
alaskappalachian
Entitiologist


Registered: 10/22/19
Posts: 1,674
Loc: The 49th Dimension
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: Northerner]
#26629215 - 04/26/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Northerner said:
Plants are amazing on LSD as well, they all appear to be growing.
Yeah! 
Quote:
Northerner said:
If you like DMT, you should smoke changa on the tail end of LSD.
Double yeah!!
-------------------- "First we build the tools, then they build us." THE 49th MYCOJOURNAL: Exotics, Auroras, and Entities
|
redgreenvines
irregular verb


Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,532
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: Northerner]
#26629493 - 04/26/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Northerner said: That's a great report. I've been taking lsd for a very long time and not had anything that compares with that. Would be so super stoked if that did happen. Maybe if I lie down and relax on the come up I could jump in that pool too.
Thanks a bunch for sharing it.
 I have been meaning to tell you that I adore the animation in your avatar these days.
just had some hash while cleaning my old vape pipe thing, to test if it worked properly... anyway I keep imagining I am on a quarter hit of acid, which I am not, ironically, but I must say that visionary stuff does ordinarily happen with this, I mean with lsd, but it is usually more like your avatar than like an allegorical waking dream. (which I feel on the cusp of ATM but hash.vape.test not acid)
with mushrooms I feel nearly exactly as I do on lsd, except maybe better fed.
to immerse into an allegorical state, one needs to invoke something more narcotic (or just let yourself doze which is natural narc-ing)
--------------------
_ 🧠_
|
icetech



Registered: 08/21/17
Posts: 3,450
Loc: FSM's loving noodles.
Last seen: 3 months, 4 days
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: redgreenvines]
#26630387 - 04/26/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Got lucky last night and dropped around 4:30 and still made it to sleep by 3am great night! I have some enhanced leaf i made but haven't tried yet.. was going to last night but couldn't bother to get out of bed to get it
--------------------
|
Northerner
splelling chceker


Registered: 07/29/12
Posts: 14,141
Loc: FNQ
Last seen: 32 minutes, 58 seconds
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: redgreenvines]
#26630820 - 04/26/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I'm amazed at so many people having visionary experiences with LSD. I seriously did not know that was possible. Thanks everyone for letting me know. I don't even know how I haven't heard of this before.
When I first did mushrooms it was much like LSD for a very long time. Then after I had done DMT for some time the effect of mushrooms became far more pronounced and visionary. I remember the first time I saw entities on mushrooms. I closed eyes just for a moment because of something else and instantly saw the matrix grid and the entities peering at me. It scared me for a moment because I wasn't expecting it, then I closed my eyes and just went with it. Very vivid and very crisp but no real interaction. Just more like DMT movie. Typical multi eyed humanoid entities and sheets of light and colour that are made of various fractals and geometry, depending what you focus on.
DMT itself, especially combined with harmalas, is the benchmark for visionary experiences for me. I don't really call some great visuals with some recognisable features a vision.
Quote:
redgreenvines said:
 I have been meaning to tell you that I adore the animation in your avatar these days.
just had some hash while cleaning my old vape pipe thing, to test if it worked properly... anyway I keep imagining I am on a quarter hit of acid, which I am not, ironically, but I must say that visionary stuff does ordinarily happen with this, I mean with lsd, but it is usually more like your avatar than like an allegorical waking dream. (which I feel on the cusp of ATM but hash.vape.test not acid)
with mushrooms I feel nearly exactly as I do on lsd, except maybe better fed.
to immerse into an allegorical state, one needs to invoke something more narcotic (or just let yourself doze which is natural narc-ing)
Thanks RGV. I mucked around for ages to get the avatar just so. It's not my work originally though.
That's very close to what I see on LSD on solid objects, particularly as the dose steps up. Everything just fluxes, melts and swarms. Off the edge of objects fractals and tracers will fly off into the air and sometimes start making their own patterns as well. Depends how deep in the hole I am. 250ug puts me well and truly in that place. I accidentally dosed very high earlier this year and the world was insane to look at. There was no such thing as a solid object, everything was liquid and being pulled at by invisible forces. Unfortunately I blacked out after a few hours, I didn't get to see if there was anything behind my eyelids. I suspect it would just have been spectacular fractals, grids and tracers rather than visions. ie: not an allegorical waking dream. (great term, I'm gonna keep that one)
--------------------
The nearest we ever come to knowing truth is when we are witness to paradox.
|
Nature Boy
Stranger than most



Registered: 07/09/07
Posts: 8,241
Loc: Samsara
Last seen: 2 months, 5 days
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: redgreenvines]
#26630903 - 04/26/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
redgreenvines said:
to immerse into an allegorical state, one needs to invoke something more narcotic (or just let yourself doze which is natural narc-ing)
^^^^^ This. Opiated hash, which I have not seen since the mid 1970's was the most dreamy head I EVER had. Had two or three grams of it back in the day. OMG - So good!!!!
-------------------- All submitted posts under this user name are works of pure fiction or outright lies. Any information, statement, or assertion contained therein should be considered pure unadulterated bullshit. Note well: Sorry, but I do not answer PM's unless you are a long-time trusted friend. If you have a question, ask it in the appropriate thread.
|
redgreenvines
irregular verb


Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,532
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: Nature Boy]
#26631482 - 04/27/20 06:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
people have been selling gold seal and mazar sharif hash in the toronto area which is lovely and smells divine, though I doubt if it is actually opiated.
--------------------
_ 🧠_
|
Nature Boy
Stranger than most



Registered: 07/09/07
Posts: 8,241
Loc: Samsara
Last seen: 2 months, 5 days
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: redgreenvines]
#26633377 - 04/28/20 12:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Somewhere back circa 1973 or '74 I had legit opiated hash. A person or two had enough that they would eat it. I never had more then two, maybe three grams. It was here, then gone. Probably a good thing, because I liked it. A lot.
45 years later and I still think about it. If I could get an ounce or two today I probably would. It was like visiting Candyland when you closed your eyes. Dreamy, creamy, imaginings. I maintain it was the best head I ever had. There's plenty of drugs I've never done, so I don't know if I'd like them better, but short of a genuine, addictive narcotic - which I have never, ever done - I'd say it was probably closest in effects.
-------------------- All submitted posts under this user name are works of pure fiction or outright lies. Any information, statement, or assertion contained therein should be considered pure unadulterated bullshit. Note well: Sorry, but I do not answer PM's unless you are a long-time trusted friend. If you have a question, ask it in the appropriate thread.
|
The Blind Ass
Bodhi



Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: Nature Boy]
#26633430 - 04/28/20 01:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Nature Boy said: Somewhere back circa 1973 or '74 I had legit opiated hash. A person or two had enough that they would eat it. I never had more then two, maybe three grams. It was here, then gone. Probably a good thing, because I liked it. A lot.
45 years later and I still think about it. If I could get an ounce or two today I probably would. It was like visiting Candyland when you closed your eyes. Dreamy, creamy, imaginings. I maintain it was the best head I ever had. There's plenty of drugs I've never done, so I don't know if I'd like them better, but short of a genuine, addictive narcotic - which I have never, ever done - I'd say it was probably closest in effects.
-------------------- Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps
|
Northerner
splelling chceker


Registered: 07/29/12
Posts: 14,141
Loc: FNQ
Last seen: 32 minutes, 58 seconds
|
Re: How do people deal with the long LSD trips [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#26633443 - 04/28/20 02:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|

I never pictured that goat as a nodding dope heap before.
--------------------
The nearest we ever come to knowing truth is when we are witness to paradox.
|
Loaded Shaman
Psychophysiologist



Registered: 03/02/15
Posts: 8,006
Loc: Now O'Clock
Last seen: 28 days, 4 hours
|
|
Like an old navy fork sticking in the sunset.
Yes, I'm high AF .
--------------------
  "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance." — Confucius
|
|