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No1Special
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Advice and Feedback on a Therapeutic Journey
#26584421 - 04/07/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is specifically directed to anyone who is a psychedelic guide or has experienced a successful therapeutic session. To start, my background with psychedelics goes back to the '70s (always organics) and I have always used them under safe set and setting circumstances, and also have always treated them with the utmost respect. I stopped using psychedelics in the mid to late '80s, but recently became aware of the research using these substances for therapeutic reasons. I decided to try to treat an "incurable" condition I have called focal dystonia, which is a miswiring of the brain, causing my right index finger to fire at inappropriate times and curl into my palm. I have found no research that shows this condition has been researched with psychedelics, so I am pioneering this area myself. I prepared myself for about 8 months, reading everything I could find on the subject of psychedelic therapy. Generally, I found that 4.5 grams of mushrooms was considered a heroic dose, so I planned to use 5 grams because I have experience with this substance and had no fear whatsoever of the outcome. On Friday, April 3, I conducted a self session in my home by myself. I found during the trip that I was very grateful that no one was there with me, because I would not have wanted the distraction of someone looking on. So here is the question: I had an absolutely wonderful experience, and went deeper into the mushroom realm than I had ever done before (2 grams was probably my highest dose in the past.) But I did not feel the loss of ego or an out-of-body sensation. I certainly went into different universes during the 8-hour trip, and early on found myself in a laughing fit for probably a good hour or more. At one point I entered a round Buddhist temple, lined with thousands of laughing Buddhas, and there we sat laughing together. I now believe I know why the Buddha laughs. But through all of this, I felt like the mushrooms were only toying with me, and nothing seemed serious. Even though I went in with the expressed intent of going into the afflicted area of my brain, and asked for help from time to time, I felt like the trip was taking me to other places, and I emerged at the end with no sense that I had learned anything or was in any way a different person. Any insights into why this may have been "unsuccessful?"
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Re: Advice and Feedback on a Therapeutic Journey [Re: No1Special]
#26584442 - 04/07/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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What you call the mushroom toying with you, I call you on mushrooms toying with yourself.
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Re: Advice and Feedback on a Therapeutic Journey [Re: No1Special]
#26586359 - 04/08/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ignoring the last part of your post, I've read reports from people who have experienced beneficial results for various sorts of nerve disorders - for instance, a lack of peripheral sensation disappears during tripping. Whether that will extend beyond the trip hasn't been established.
The rest is not unusual at all, having goals like "going into the afflicted area of your brain" is not likely to succeed, certainly at that dose.
FWIW you might be understanding the therapeutic nature of the mushrooms. They aren't some sort of intelligence that fixes your problems. Some of the alkaloids they manufacture have potent effects for neurogenesis and neuroplasticity but these effects generally require time and continued exposure to have useful effects...
You'd want to calibrate the dosage based on smaller amounts, not jump right in past the deep end. The effects are exponential not linear.
Given that your dose was probably a lot higher than needed, it's sort of a WAG but you'd probably benefit from microdosing over a period of time. Keep a journal of progress if you're serious.
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Re: Advice and Feedback on a Therapeutic Journey [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26586788 - 04/08/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the feedback PrimalSoup. I am not really pretending to know exactly what is happening with a mushroom trip, in the sense of it being a god or being that comes to speak to you, but rather, I came back to psychedelics because I have a son who was cured of severe alcoholism with a two-week therapy session using Ibogaine in a clinical setting. It not only ended his addiction but also eliminated the underlying anxiety, depression, anger, etc. that drove him to drink. He has now been ten months sober with no desire whatsoever to drink again. Since then my reading has taught me about clinics in the US such as Johns Hopkins where they have been having the same results with psilocybin at heroic doses. Many studies dating back to the '50s were showing the same thing with various substances including LSD. Can I ask what your credentials or experiences are? I would really like to discuss this with someone who can help steer me in the right direction.
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Re: Advice and Feedback on a Therapeutic Journey [Re: No1Special]
#26586823 - 04/08/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Credentials? I just have a lot of experience tripping with mushrooms.
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Re: Advice and Feedback on a Therapeutic Journey [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26588324 - 04/09/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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In some of my experiences mushrooms have shown me that them, or the universe, is as much of a sarcastic asshole as I am. I've been trolled in the middle of seeing Angel's and feeling God. They arent going to be serious and dig into the issues we have. they're gonna show you but can still do it in the most hilarious ways. I've laughed at things I've been shown so hard I hurt and still had the most therapeutic or learning experiences. They will give and take you where you need to go even if you dont want/think it should go there. And it will do it with its understanding not ours. It might have given you exactly what you need at this time. The info it gave you might not be able to be interpreted with current understandings. For me something usually clicks within a couple days and I realize what everything was about. One of the biggest things I've learned about dosing is expectations or control in any way shape or form before, during, or after the trip messes things all up and I dont find proper therapeutic healing afterwards.
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