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Does Biden have dementia?
    #26584363 - 04/07/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I've seen a lot of his interviews and speeches and it doesn't seem normal...

He stumbles all the time, he forgets what he's saying mid-sentence, he forgets the subject he's talking about as he's talking about it.

Does he have dementia you think?


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Patlal]
    #26584378 - 04/07/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If not dementia, there is definitely some sort of cognitive decline.  It would be one thing if he had the occasional slip up although it seems he blunders every public appearance.  How does one confuse their wife for their sister and vice versa?


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Patlal]
    #26584448 - 04/07/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Welcome back!  I haven't seen you in the political forum for a little while.  Where have you been?



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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26584501 - 04/07/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I think that's very possible.

To be fair, that's not the first time we'd have a demented leader. Both Ronnie Raygun and diaper donnie come to mind.

The only part of Biden that I have faith in is his choice of advisors. I think he's gonna end up having a Bernie/Obama/Warren type mix in his cabinet, and he will act as a neutral figurehead while the people with real ideas get shit done. Biden is gonna spend his days smoothing over relations with our allies and fixing all of out current, uh, "president"s mistakes, with mixed results. Actually competent people will run the country.

Or I may be wrong, and we're gonna cruise along at the current status quo. Not great. But it will be leaps and bounds better than discovering the new depths of the public outhouse that is the current administration.

Also the SCOTUS seat. This is incredibly important. If we lose RGB to another Bart O'cryenough, we're fucked. We will be a third world failed state within two decades. Bit like Iran. Except we'll be a christian theocracy.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26584530 - 04/07/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The only part of Biden that I have faith in is his choice of advisors. I think he's gonna end up having a Bernie/Obama/Warren type mix in his cabinet



The establishment wants nothing to do with anyone who might want taxes raised on the super rich.  He'd take Clinton over Sanders for certain.  He'll probably pick Kamala Harris or Amy Klobuchar for VP.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26584648 - 04/07/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Im not sure, i heard some of his interviews and a lot of it made sense to ke but then he would start rambling.  I hope its not dementia, maybe hes just tired, which is possible.  Dementia is no joke, wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy. (Koods)


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26584983 - 04/07/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The only part of Biden that I have faith in is his choice of advisors. I think he's gonna end up having a Bernie/Obama/Warren type mix in his cabinet



The establishment wants nothing to do with anyone who might want taxes raised on the super rich.  He'd take Clinton over Sanders for certain.  He'll probably pick Kamala Harris or Amy Klobuchar for VP.




VP, yes. The actual left wing will likely end up in lower positions, though.

Either way, the SCOTUS seat is probably the most important part. a 6-3 hard right SCOTUS will literally turn us into Iran.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26585078 - 04/07/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You think the hard right wants us to be like Iran?!?  :wtf:


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26585117 - 04/07/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Strict hierarchy based on religious law with a well established ruling caste that is literally above the power, that quietly runs a facade of a parliamentary government that seems legitimate while in reality being puppets?

Yep. 100%.

EDIT: I should say, Iran post US involvement. Pre US involvement Iran, with their equal rights and lack of religion? Sounds like Pinko shit to me. Positively Soviet.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26585130 - 04/07/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Nah.  Iran is ruled by religion, not capitalism.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26585133 - 04/07/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Nah.  Iran is ruled by religion, not capitalism.




No it's not. Religion is a tool of oppression in Iran. The religion itself does not matter, and the Ayatollah knows it. It's just there to control the populace through the application of righteous violence in the name of Allah.

If it was entirely ruled by religion, Iran wouldn't be in OPEC. And they wouldn't fund militias. Islam is a largely peaceful religion, moreso than the other Abrahamic ones.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26587086 - 04/08/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Welcome back!  I haven't seen you in the political forum for a little while.  Where have you been?






Mostly in the Pub lol.

Politics became boring to me because it's always left vs right without ever changing anything ever...

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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26588616 - 04/09/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Nah.  Iran is ruled by religion, not capitalism.




No it's not. Religion is a tool of oppression in Iran. The religion itself does not matter, and the Ayatollah knows it. It's just there to control the populace through the application of righteous violence in the name of Allah.

If it was entirely ruled by religion, Iran wouldn't be in OPEC. And they wouldn't fund militias. Islam is a largely peaceful religion, moreso than the other Abrahamic ones.




Islamic nations have been some of the most violent nations ever in the history of man all in the name of religion. I don't know where this religion of peace nonsense comes from, it never has been, is not amongst followers now, and likely never will be.

People say well the bible has a lot of violence in it too, but it at least generally doesn't give express comandments to be violent to large swathes of the populace. I believe there is a lot of sound expression of truth in the quran but Muhammad must have been at least half cracked even if he was a religious sage/genius.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: meltdowner] * 2
    #26589166 - 04/09/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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maybe hes just tired




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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #26592667 - 04/11/20 03:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I've seen a lot of his interviews and speeches and it doesn't seem normal...

He stumbles all the time, he forgets what he's saying mid-sentence, he forgets the subject he's talking about as he's talking about it.

Does he have dementia you think?




I believe so. The clip from Illinois sealed it for me. He was live on camera and answering voters' call-in questions. He clearly had a "what am I doing?" moment and then remembered "Oh yeah! I'm taking a call and answering this guy's question!" He then casually walked off camera in the way that people pace when talking on the phone. I don't think it was just some goofy gaffe, I think that what I just described is exactly what happened in his head. That's scary.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Darwin23]
    #26592700 - 04/11/20 04:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

He definitely sounds bad, but he's running against someone who sounds bad every time he talks. Trump's base will stay loyal. I don't think too many other people will vote for him. We have only seen the beginning of the economic crash. We have not yet seen the ripple effects of unemployed people not buying anything except necessities, if that.

Some of the people who have been furloughed by their employers will never be going back to those companies, but they don't know that yet.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Grapefruit] * 1
    #26593439 - 04/11/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Nah.  Iran is ruled by religion, not capitalism.




No it's not. Religion is a tool of oppression in Iran. The religion itself does not matter, and the Ayatollah knows it. It's just there to control the populace through the application of righteous violence in the name of Allah.

If it was entirely ruled by religion, Iran wouldn't be in OPEC. And they wouldn't fund militias. Islam is a largely peaceful religion, moreso than the other Abrahamic ones.




Islamic nations have been some of the most violent nations ever in the history of man all in the name of religion. I don't know where this religion of peace nonsense comes from, it never has been, is not amongst followers now, and likely never will be.

People say well the bible has a lot of violence in it too, but it at least generally doesn't give express comandments to be violent to large swathes of the populace. I believe there is a lot of sound expression of truth in the quran but Muhammad must have been at least half cracked even if he was a religious sage/genius.




Have you ever read either text?

To begin, the bible is the one that explicitly says that people must be converted to Christianity or killed. The Quran allows nonbelievers to pay a nonbeliever tax called the jizya and live in peace. The Quran is the one that bans poisoning wells, burning fields, and killing livestock, not the Bible. The Quran says that non-combatants are to be spared. The Bible says convert or die.

The religious violence in the Middle East is caused by a bunch of do-gooder Christians employing their convert or die tactic. How many Crusades were there? How many Jihads (that's Muslim for "Crusade") were there?

In modern times, Iran is a violent religious nation because the US overthrew their peacefully elected government and installed a religious fanatic as Ayatollah. See, the peacefully elected non-religious government was a bit too equitable. Maybe even a bit...pinko.

Saying that the Middle East is violent is a bit like training an attack dog and then being confused why it's not friendly.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26595899 - 04/12/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have read a fair amount from both texts but not extensively read into either. Whatever the Bible says at least it is not making proclaimations  that claim to be literally from the mouth of god. It's pretty apparent from just a glance that Islam has been totally messing with the middle east for centuries more than any other thing, the Islamic religion was incredibly violent towards India and Hindus for centuries never mind Christian interference.

You don't have to look just towards Ayatollahs to see the violence at the heart of Islamic folks' belief systems. Just look at the polls of what most of the regular folk caught up in the modern Islamic world actually believe. Nearly 50% of them have beliefs that are out and out fanatical and intolerant. Even amongst those who live in developed nations and have been settled for a long time stats paint a bleak picture.

The fact that Islamic traditions don't put their belief systems up for scrutiny or critical analysis like any other is a huge impediment to it's evolution, again this mostly stems from the fact that they believe their book is the literal word of god and that they will go to hell if they do not believe it. They have a ton of misinterpretation of the book and this belief only furthers misinterpretation. For instance dry fasting in Ramadan is a clear misinterpretation of the scripture to just about anyone well versed in theological meaning and yet the entire faith follows it. The book makes a lot of concrete statement that are pretty difficult to interperet and tells you it is the word of god. It's just not a healthy approach to philosophy or theosophy IMO.

The entire culture and religion is in desperate need of a western style modern enlightenment to shake it up but it's difficult to see where that could come from at the moment.

I understand your anger with the west for stirring up more problems in middle east but you are missing a huge chunk of the picture.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Grapefruit] * 1
    #26595938 - 04/12/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Dude, what are you smoking?

The Bible is the literal word of God, according to the Bible.

You're here telling me that an entire people is fanatical and should be destroyed, based on...the Bible.

Who's the fanatic here?

Just to be clear, I;d rather not live under religion at all. The entire thing is a couple of crazy mushroom-induced hallucinations. However, if we were to pick between fundamental biblical law and fundamental Sharia law, I'd pick fundamental Sharia law. Under fundamental biblical law, I, an unbelieving male, am to be put to death. Under fundamental Sharia law, I only need to pay an extra tax.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26595958 - 04/12/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The Bible does not claim to be the literal word of god, nor do most Christian schools of thought theologically interperet it that way.

"You're here telling me that an entire people is fanatical and should be destroyed" :confused: Um... No. I said a very large proportion of them held fanatical beliefs (not all) and I certainly nowhere called for their destruction.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Grapefruit] * 1
    #26595965 - 04/12/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sorry, I think you're comparing modern interpretations of the bible to fundamental Islam. Fundamental interpretations of the bible have the bible as the literal word of god, passed down through prophecy.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26595976 - 04/12/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Even if that were true, which I am not sure about but I do doubt. Those beliefs are not prevalent at all among modern believers. Maybe more so in America than here in Europe, but still much less so than amongst Islamic countries.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

I don't know anything about the rest of this website so I'd like to make it clear I am likely not in political alignment with it, but this page does show the overwhelming amount of statistical data there is showing deep strands of fanaticism across the wider Islamic community.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26595990 - 04/12/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I agree that the Islamic community in fundamentalist Islamic countries is largely fundamentalist. That's true. It's also circular logic.

The question is now: Why?

Why is Iran fundamentalist?

I believe it is the direct result of the US propping up fundamentalist Islam throughout the Middle East in the 1980s in an effort to combat nonreligious influences from the Soviet Union. Same way that we trained Osama Bin Laden, and gave him the guns that he used to arm Al Qaeda. Except he was a Mujahideen back then. The Mujahideen were the good guys. They even saved James Bond once (admittedly, in the worst James Bond movie ever).

Personally, I find it difficult to blame an attack dog for being violent, when I trained it to be an attack dog.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26596032 - 04/12/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Policy Exchange (2006): 7% Muslims in Britain admire al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

al-Jazeera Poll (2015): 81% of respondents support the Islamic State (ISIS).
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/25/shock-poll-81-of-al-jazeera-arabic-poll-respondents-support-isis/

ICM (Mirror) Poll 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 38% of Muslim-Americans say Islamic State (ISIS) beliefs are Islamic or correct.  (43% disagree),
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

Just a few polls randomly picked out from that long list. The problem is not contained within a few fundamentalist countries but is endemic across the wider Islamic population. I don't think foreign meddling in the affairs of Islamic contries is enough to explain this myself as the problem goes much further back into history and many other populations have experienced that same kind of meddling without responding with extremist views. I would lay the blame mostly at the foot of the Koran and the willingness of the people to believe it so unquestioningly.

As Schopenhauer said and I tentatively mostly agree.

"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all countries and ages, in their splendour and spaciousness, testify to man's need for metaphysics, a need strong and ineradicable, which follows close on the physical. The man of a satirical frame of mind could of course add that this need for metaphysics is a modest fellow content with meagre fare. Sometimes it lets itself be satisfied with clumsy fables and absurd fairy-tales. If only they are imprinted early enough, they are for man adequate explanations of his existence and supports for his morality.

Consider the Koran, for example; this wretched book was sufficient to start a world-religion, to satisfy the metaphysical need for countless millions for twelve hundred years, to become the basis of their morality and of a remarkable contempt for death, and also to inspire them to bloody wars and the most extensive conquests. In this book we find the saddest and poorest form of theism. Much may be lost in translation, but I have not been able to discover in it one single idea of value. Such things show that the capacity for metaphysics does not go hand in hand with the need for it . . . ."


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26596047 - 04/12/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Again, in the 1980s, Osama Bin Laden was a goddamn hero for the US. He gave up riches for his ideals, which were that the Godless communist hordes must be stopped at any cost. That's why we trained him and gave him all the guns he ever wanted.

And your quote applies equally to the bible. Matter of fact, your quote condemns the bible, because parts of the Old Testament are in both.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26596073 - 04/12/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Not true. There is not that much of the Bible in the Koran, and if he had meant the Bible he would have said so. He was well versed in comparative theology and frequently expressed admiration for aspects of Christianity while tending to favour far eastern traditions. The man is going out of his way here to specifically refer to the Koran as the worst kind of theism.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26596165 - 04/12/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This is a thread about Joe Biden's cognitive abilities. No the bible!!

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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #26596393 - 04/12/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Joe Biden's dementia was foretold in the Bible, noob.


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Stable Genius] * 2
    #26596803 - 04/12/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Why does he have to kiss everyone?? Is he having a Jesus Christ moment or something? Showing his benevolence for the peasants with a kiss?
I wish one of the girls would punch him, that'd make great TV.




it'd make great tv
but we live in a society that silences women
and teaches to be permissible to the powerful,
for our own good, of course



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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26597508 - 04/13/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Nah.  Iran is ruled by religion, not capitalism.




No it's not. Religion is a tool of oppression in Iran. The religion itself does not matter, and the Ayatollah knows it. It's just there to control the populace through the application of righteous violence in the name of Allah.

If it was entirely ruled by religion, Iran wouldn't be in OPEC. And they wouldn't fund militias. Islam is a largely peaceful religion, moreso than the other Abrahamic ones.




Islamic nations have been some of the most violent nations ever in the history of man all in the name of religion. I don't know where this religion of peace nonsense comes from, it never has been, is not amongst followers now, and likely never will be.

People say well the bible has a lot of violence in it too, but it at least generally doesn't give express comandments to be violent to large swathes of the populace. I believe there is a lot of sound expression of truth in the quran but Muhammad must have been at least half cracked even if he was a religious sage/genius.




Have you ever read either text?

To begin, the bible is the one that explicitly says that people must be converted to Christianity or killed. The Quran allows nonbelievers to pay a nonbeliever tax called the jizya and live in peace. The Quran is the one that bans poisoning wells, burning fields, and killing livestock, not the Bible. The Quran says that non-combatants are to be spared. The Bible says convert or die.

The religious violence in the Middle East is caused by a bunch of do-gooder Christians employing their convert or die tactic. How many Crusades were there? How many Jihads (that's Muslim for "Crusade") were there?

In modern times, Iran is a violent religious nation because the US overthrew their peacefully elected government and installed a religious fanatic as Ayatollah. See, the peacefully elected non-religious government was a bit too equitable. Maybe even a bit...pinko.

Saying that the Middle East is violent is a bit like training an attack dog and then being confused why it's not friendly.




I am questioning your second to last paragraph. To my memory the Shah of Iran was installed by the U.S., and the Iranian revolution of 1979 when the Ayatollah took power had popular backing (no matter how fucked up it seemed to us).


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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26597515 - 04/13/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You're correct. The Shah was a secular leader installed by the U.S. 

We should sit around sometime and wax nostalgic about the iran hostage crisis.


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    #26598098 - 04/13/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You are both correct. I apologize, the US installed a secular dictator, who was overthrown by a combination of leftists and religious nutjobs. Then the religious nutjobs killed the leftists.


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