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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Grapefruit] 1
#26595965 - 04/12/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm sorry, I think you're comparing modern interpretations of the bible to fundamental Islam. Fundamental interpretations of the bible have the bible as the literal word of god, passed down through prophecy.
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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Kryptos]
#26595976 - 04/12/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Even if that were true, which I am not sure about but I do doubt. Those beliefs are not prevalent at all among modern believers. Maybe more so in America than here in Europe, but still much less so than amongst Islamic countries.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx
I don't know anything about the rest of this website so I'd like to make it clear I am likely not in political alignment with it, but this page does show the overwhelming amount of statistical data there is showing deep strands of fanaticism across the wider Islamic community.
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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Grapefruit]
#26595990 - 04/12/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree that the Islamic community in fundamentalist Islamic countries is largely fundamentalist. That's true. It's also circular logic.
The question is now: Why?
Why is Iran fundamentalist?
I believe it is the direct result of the US propping up fundamentalist Islam throughout the Middle East in the 1980s in an effort to combat nonreligious influences from the Soviet Union. Same way that we trained Osama Bin Laden, and gave him the guns that he used to arm Al Qaeda. Except he was a Mujahideen back then. The Mujahideen were the good guys. They even saved James Bond once (admittedly, in the worst James Bond movie ever).
Personally, I find it difficult to blame an attack dog for being violent, when I trained it to be an attack dog.
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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Kryptos]
#26596032 - 04/12/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Policy Exchange (2006): 7% Muslims in Britain admire al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist
al-Jazeera Poll (2015): 81% of respondents support the Islamic State (ISIS). http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/25/shock-poll-81-of-al-jazeera-arabic-poll-respondents-support-isis/
ICM (Mirror) Poll 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357
The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 38% of Muslim-Americans say Islamic State (ISIS) beliefs are Islamic or correct. (43% disagree), http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf
Just a few polls randomly picked out from that long list. The problem is not contained within a few fundamentalist countries but is endemic across the wider Islamic population. I don't think foreign meddling in the affairs of Islamic contries is enough to explain this myself as the problem goes much further back into history and many other populations have experienced that same kind of meddling without responding with extremist views. I would lay the blame mostly at the foot of the Koran and the willingness of the people to believe it so unquestioningly.
As Schopenhauer said and I tentatively mostly agree.
"Temples and churches, pagodas and mosques, in all countries and ages, in their splendour and spaciousness, testify to man's need for metaphysics, a need strong and ineradicable, which follows close on the physical. The man of a satirical frame of mind could of course add that this need for metaphysics is a modest fellow content with meagre fare. Sometimes it lets itself be satisfied with clumsy fables and absurd fairy-tales. If only they are imprinted early enough, they are for man adequate explanations of his existence and supports for his morality.
Consider the Koran, for example; this wretched book was sufficient to start a world-religion, to satisfy the metaphysical need for countless millions for twelve hundred years, to become the basis of their morality and of a remarkable contempt for death, and also to inspire them to bloody wars and the most extensive conquests. In this book we find the saddest and poorest form of theism. Much may be lost in translation, but I have not been able to discover in it one single idea of value. Such things show that the capacity for metaphysics does not go hand in hand with the need for it . . . ."
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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Grapefruit]
#26596047 - 04/12/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Again, in the 1980s, Osama Bin Laden was a goddamn hero for the US. He gave up riches for his ideals, which were that the Godless communist hordes must be stopped at any cost. That's why we trained him and gave him all the guns he ever wanted.
And your quote applies equally to the bible. Matter of fact, your quote condemns the bible, because parts of the Old Testament are in both.
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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Kryptos]
#26596073 - 04/12/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not true. There is not that much of the Bible in the Koran, and if he had meant the Bible he would have said so. He was well versed in comparative theology and frequently expressed admiration for aspects of Christianity while tending to favour far eastern traditions. The man is going out of his way here to specifically refer to the Koran as the worst kind of theism.
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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Grapefruit]
#26596165 - 04/12/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is a thread about Joe Biden's cognitive abilities. No the bible!!
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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Patlal] 2
#26596393 - 04/12/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Joe Biden's dementia was foretold in the Bible, noob.
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I like that avatar Why does he have to kiss everyone?? Is he having a Jesus Christ moment or something? Showing his benevolence for the peasants with a kiss? I wish one of the girls would punch him, that'd make great TV.
it'd make great tv but we live in a society that silences women and teaches to be permissible to the powerful, for our own good, of course
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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Kryptos]
#26597508 - 04/13/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Nah. Iran is ruled by religion, not capitalism.
No it's not. Religion is a tool of oppression in Iran. The religion itself does not matter, and the Ayatollah knows it. It's just there to control the populace through the application of righteous violence in the name of Allah.
If it was entirely ruled by religion, Iran wouldn't be in OPEC. And they wouldn't fund militias. Islam is a largely peaceful religion, moreso than the other Abrahamic ones.
Islamic nations have been some of the most violent nations ever in the history of man all in the name of religion. I don't know where this religion of peace nonsense comes from, it never has been, is not amongst followers now, and likely never will be.
People say well the bible has a lot of violence in it too, but it at least generally doesn't give express comandments to be violent to large swathes of the populace. I believe there is a lot of sound expression of truth in the quran but Muhammad must have been at least half cracked even if he was a religious sage/genius.
Have you ever read either text?
To begin, the bible is the one that explicitly says that people must be converted to Christianity or killed. The Quran allows nonbelievers to pay a nonbeliever tax called the jizya and live in peace. The Quran is the one that bans poisoning wells, burning fields, and killing livestock, not the Bible. The Quran says that non-combatants are to be spared. The Bible says convert or die.
The religious violence in the Middle East is caused by a bunch of do-gooder Christians employing their convert or die tactic. How many Crusades were there? How many Jihads (that's Muslim for "Crusade") were there?
In modern times, Iran is a violent religious nation because the US overthrew their peacefully elected government and installed a religious fanatic as Ayatollah. See, the peacefully elected non-religious government was a bit too equitable. Maybe even a bit...pinko.
Saying that the Middle East is violent is a bit like training an attack dog and then being confused why it's not friendly.
I am questioning your second to last paragraph. To my memory the Shah of Iran was installed by the U.S., and the Iranian revolution of 1979 when the Ayatollah took power had popular backing (no matter how fucked up it seemed to us).
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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Brian Jones]
#26597515 - 04/13/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You're correct. The Shah was a secular leader installed by the U.S.
We should sit around sometime and wax nostalgic about the iran hostage crisis.
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Re: Does Biden have dementia? [Re: Enlil]
#26598098 - 04/13/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You are both correct. I apologize, the US installed a secular dictator, who was overthrown by a combination of leftists and religious nutjobs. Then the religious nutjobs killed the leftists.
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