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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #26591095 - 04/10/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Instincts aren’t always correct and can mislead, happens all the time


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26591111 - 04/10/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Instincts aren’t always correct and can mislead, happens all the time




I guess.




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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26591169 - 04/10/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
Instincts aren’t always correct and can mislead, happens all the time



Perhaps for you.

I can say, with experience, mine have never steered me wrong.

In fact, the only time I've ever been steered wrong in this life is when my head is in charge, rather than my gut (instinct).


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26591247 - 04/10/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Instincts aren’t always correct and can mislead, happens all the time



Perhaps for you.

I can say, with experience, mine have never steered me wrong.

In fact, the only time I've ever been steered wrong in this life is when my head is in charge, rather than my gut (instinct).




I can name a more than a few times where my gut was wrong and my head was not but I listened to my gut because it "felt right" rather than what was right.

So I guess nothing is proven in the end.


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26591250 - 04/10/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Back on topic, NoFap is just rooted in a mistaken and unhealthy view of human sexuality.


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26592664 - 04/11/20 03:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

hooking up with random women is definitely worse than masturbating.  The whole point of abstaining is to turn that sexual energy in other directions, if that direction is a woman you don't belong with that's worse than wasting the energy.


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Babylon]
    #26592866 - 04/11/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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hooking up with random women is definitely worse than masturbating.  The whole point of abstaining is to turn that sexual energy in other directions, if that direction is a woman you don't belong with that's worse than wasting the energy.




yep. agreed.  Now I have a whole new problem.  Initially I just had to fight the urge to watch porn and fap.. But because I didn't do those things and I went out and got hooked on sex with someone I'm not into, I'm addicted to it.  Now, even if I use porn to try and quell the urges it isn't satisfying. I think I need like a year of abstinence.  I know I do actually. Because the thought of it terrifies me, and that shouldn't be the case.  Pretty sure I am using sex as a distraction from something important I should be dealing with but I don't know what that is.

Another issue is that I live alone, and I get fucking lonely.  So, sometimes I don't even care that I'm not that into this chick, its just nice having someone around. It's a hard situation.  If I do everything I feel I should do for myself I would be left completely alone and devoid of pleasure.


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Babylon]
    #26593192 - 04/11/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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hooking up with random women is definitely worse than masturbating.  The whole point of abstaining is to turn that sexual energy in other directions, if that direction is a woman you don't belong with that's worse than wasting the energy.




Worse that masturbating? There’s nothing wrong with either of those options abstinence is just a negative attitude towards sexuality and it doesn’t work also. Just look at the many scandals from those pope who claim to “abstain”. All you are doing is just warring against yourself. There’s no “turning the energy elsewhere” or “wasting it”. It’s not anger.

Abstinence doesn’t work, it just creates psychologically damaged humans. You need to embrace your sexuality and then it will have less control over you and you won’t feel compelled to sleep with any one just for company.

But it doesn’t sound like sex is the problem (it rarely is). I seems more like a cover for not wanting to be alone. In other words you need to learn to be by yourself that way you don’t feel the need to jump into things just to not be lonely. In future with the security in knowing you don’t need someone in your life you’ll actually be better adjusted to having someone else in your life.


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26593308 - 04/11/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You guys make sex sound like a bad thing which is why your rules/obsessed by it. The amount of people who tried to “transform” that energy failed and that’s how you end up with those sexual assault scandals by gurus, monks, and priests. That’s what happens when you make an enemy of something that isn’t it. I swear you guys’ attitude isn’t that different from Christians really.




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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26594611 - 04/11/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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hooking up with random women is definitely worse than masturbating.  The whole point of abstaining is to turn that sexual energy in other directions, if that direction is a woman you don't belong with that's worse than wasting the energy.




Worse that masturbating? There’s nothing wrong with either of those options abstinence is just a negative attitude towards sexuality and it doesn’t work also. Just look at the many scandals from those pope who claim to “abstain”. All you are doing is just warring against yourself. There’s no “turning the energy elsewhere” or “wasting it”. It’s not anger.

Abstinence doesn’t work, it just creates psychologically damaged humans. You need to embrace your sexuality and then it will have less control over you and you won’t feel compelled to sleep with any one just for company.

But it doesn’t sound like sex is the problem (it rarely is). I seems more like a cover for not wanting to be alone. In other words you need to learn to be by yourself that way you don’t feel the need to jump into things just to not be lonely. In future with the security in knowing you don’t need someone in your life you’ll actually be better adjusted to having someone else in your life.




I'm pro sex, masturbation, casual, or whatever, but absitinence is definitely powerful.  There's a reason monks and nuns are celibate, there's a reason it's a common part of magical traditions all over the world.  If you redirect your sexual energy toward something else you can accomplish quite a lot.

I don't think it's healthy, that's why it's commonly used by wizards and monks, they aren't healthy people they are magical, or spiritual people. 

I agree with you that he'll be happier if he learns to enjoy his own company.  It doesn't sound like he has a magical goal for his abstinence, so much as he's simply trying to build himself a better life, and abstinence isn't going to get him there.


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Babylon] * 1
    #26594713 - 04/12/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Monks and nuns aren’t magic, you would be surprised at the number of sex scandals among them just like catholic priests. It’s what happens when you war against your own being. There isn’t an energy to redirect it just hurts you later on. Abstinence has been shown not to work, it’s failed time and again.

Which is why it’s healthier to embrace it rather than “redirect it”.

You can’t really be pro sex and masturbation and hold regard for alleged abstinence


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26594864 - 04/12/20 02:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Monks and nuns aren’t magic, you would be surprised at the number of sex scandals among them just like catholic priests. It’s what happens when you war against your own being. There isn’t an energy to redirect it just hurts you later on. Abstinence has been shown not to work, it’s failed time and again.

Which is why it’s healthier to embrace it rather than “redirect it”.

You can’t really be pro sex and masturbation and hold regard for alleged abstinence





I'm in favor of people doing what they like with their bits, whether that is everything, nothing, or whatever in between.  I don't think you can really be pro sex without also being in favor of people's sexual choices when that choice is abstinence.


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Babylon]
    #26595487 - 04/12/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I am pro sex but usually that position doesn’t come from a condescending place


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26643882 - 05/02/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Reddit is a moronic website. Nofap is done for all the wrong reasons.

The only relevant point on the matter is this: porn is rape. It's often child rape. I don't give a fuck how motherfuckers try to weasel out of this reality via any of innumerable possible men-are-more-capable-of-rational-thought bullshit dazzles. Economic and physical coercion are employed so crusty fuckstains can consider consent superfluous to sex. Therefore, abstain from PMO, end of story.

But as for MO, the physiological necessities of sentient life are of the highest importance in the universe. Erogenous zones are erogenous for a divine reason. The imperative to indulge in self-love is obvious to anyone unencumbered by repressive dogma. Giving in to the temptation when it's socially unacceptable is an even more celestial dimension of bliss.

Writing erotic fiction is a damn respectable use of time. What the shitfuck happened to imagination and creativity??


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Alyssa]
    #26646405 - 05/03/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Reddit is a moronic website. Nofap is done for all the wrong reasons.

The only relevant point on the matter is this: porn is rape. It's often child rape. I don't give a fuck how motherfuckers try to weasel out of this reality via any of innumerable possible men-are-more-capable-of-rational-thought bullshit dazzles. Economic and physical coercion are employed so crusty fuckstains can consider consent superfluous to sex. Therefore, abstain from PMO, end of story.

But as for MO, the physiological necessities of sentient life are of the highest importance in the universe. Erogenous zones are erogenous for a divine reason. The imperative to indulge in self-love is obvious to anyone unencumbered by repressive dogma. Giving in to the temptation when it's socially unacceptable is an even more celestial dimension of bliss.

Writing erotic fiction is a damn respectable use of time. What the shitfuck happened to imagination and creativity??




What is PMO?


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26647204 - 05/03/20 11:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It's definitely pretty dumb. If my dick wants me to jerk it off I jerk it off.


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26647454 - 05/04/20 04:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
Reddit is a moronic website. Nofap is done for all the wrong reasons.

The only relevant point on the matter is this: porn is rape. It's often child rape. I don't give a fuck how motherfuckers try to weasel out of this reality via any of innumerable possible men-are-more-capable-of-rational-thought bullshit dazzles. Economic and physical coercion are employed so crusty fuckstains can consider consent superfluous to sex. Therefore, abstain from PMO, end of story.

But as for MO, the physiological necessities of sentient life are of the highest importance in the universe. Erogenous zones are erogenous for a divine reason. The imperative to indulge in self-love is obvious to anyone unencumbered by repressive dogma. Giving in to the temptation when it's socially unacceptable is an even more celestial dimension of bliss.

Writing erotic fiction is a damn respectable use of time. What the shitfuck happened to imagination and creativity??




What is PMO?



Fucking google bro.
Porn, masturbating, orgasm.


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26647563 - 05/04/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Anonymous #1 said:
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Alyssa said:
Reddit is a moronic website. Nofap is done for all the wrong reasons.

The only relevant point on the matter is this: porn is rape. It's often child rape. I don't give a fuck how motherfuckers try to weasel out of this reality via any of innumerable possible men-are-more-capable-of-rational-thought bullshit dazzles. Economic and physical coercion are employed so crusty fuckstains can consider consent superfluous to sex. Therefore, abstain from PMO, end of story.

But as for MO, the physiological necessities of sentient life are of the highest importance in the universe. Erogenous zones are erogenous for a divine reason. The imperative to indulge in self-love is obvious to anyone unencumbered by repressive dogma. Giving in to the temptation when it's socially unacceptable is an even more celestial dimension of bliss.

Writing erotic fiction is a damn respectable use of time. What the shitfuck happened to imagination and creativity??




What is PMO?



Fucking google bro.
Porn, masturbating, orgasm.





alright. well.  how would amateur/homemade porn be considered rape?  Have you seen how many people(women) just willingly put themselves on the internet?

Shit.  You can even just go on tinder and these chicks are halfway exposing themselves these days.


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26647641 - 05/04/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Masturbation has saved my life man. Everytime i start to get motivated to ask a girl out on date, have a wonderful time, and some wonderful sex afterwards. BOOM! Masturbation is there for me. All i gotta do is bust a nut and I aint making plans with no girl no more. I ain't calling/texting nobody.

I just saved myself some money, time, and problems. It's problematic to get involved with women, not because women are the problem, but because im straight and thats what i get. Maybe we can ask the gay guys in the forum if its just as problematic to get involved with men.


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Re: I think No Fap is bullshit [Re: Double]
    #26647728 - 05/04/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Masturbation has saved my life man. Everytime i start to get motivated to ask a girl out on date, have a wonderful time, and some wonderful sex afterwards. BOOM! Masturbation is there for me. All i gotta do is bust a nut and I aint making plans with no girl no more. I ain't calling/texting nobody.

I just saved myself some money, time, and problems. It's problematic to get involved with women, not because women are the problem, but because im straight and thats what i get. Maybe we can ask the gay guys in the forum if its just as problematic to get involved with men.



man I'm tellin you

there is obviously always going to be two very different sides to this debate though.  There are those guys out there who have made it their primary goal in life to get involved with women and they don't see it like we do.

They see all the money spent, time wasted etc. as collateral costs of completing their mission or whatever.  They want to be this alpha male, female dominator, or some shit. 

They can have all that.

They look at people like us like we are missing out on something because we aren't having sex with real women all the time.  "gotta stop watching porn and masturbating or youll never go out and get a real women"  I get that argument for virgins and shit but that isn't the issue here.  Getting a real women isn't the issue. The issue is we want to be with ourselves, and own our selves, and have control over our fucking own lives.  You start bringing women into the picture and you become prone to being manipulated into their own fantasy princess visions of you in a fucking tuxedo, in a van with 5 kids, going to soccer games and all that horseshit. Next thing you know your life is fucking gone.  All those goals and dreams you had, gone.  You are now a workhorse for this stupid bitch and all her goals and dreams. 

Yeah man fuck that.


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