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I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan.
#26583915 - 04/07/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey guys, I've grown some Blue oysters in the past, about 3-4 years ago, and just stopped doing it. I'm wanting to get back into it so I inoculated some WBS with pink, blue, golden, and king syringes that were a year or two old (hopefully they are still good).
I ordered some things on amazon and plan on setting up a little fruiting chamber but I need some feedback.
I purchased the following: 4 Inch 150 CFM Duct Inline Fan Blower https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71UBx3Yu6GL._AC_SL1417_.jpg
I plan on hooking that blower up to piping, piping it to a 5 gallon bucket with a sealed lid that contains water and this mister:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/612WvSVFWFL._AC_SL1000_.jpg
Then I plan on piping that into this little grow chamber:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71MdRHJSPNL._AC_SL1364_.jpg
The air and humidity will be controlled by a humidity controller so that I can control how humid it is inside of the chamber.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/716nJPhxpLL._AC_SL1500_.jpg
My questions are, how much FAE does a chamber like this need?
Should I keep the blower going after the mister turns off or should there always be humidity with the fresh air coming in?
Do I have to worry about spores with the positive pressure I'm creating?
How can I cool my chamber? I'm putting it in a room that is warm, it's by my furnace, I would guess the room hovers around 80-85 degrees but wont know until I get my thermometer.
Any suggestions you would make to make me more successful?
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: cyclones]
#26584139 - 04/07/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes always worry about spores with oysters. Unless your chamber is airtight except for the outlet (which needs to be outdoors) youre going to get spores in the area around your chamber.
I would put a pre filter on your intake fan and definitely run it several times per hour even without the fogger running.
if you want to cool your chamber, cool the air in the room where the intake is drawn from. 80-85 is too warm for kings and i think blues like colder air as well but i could be wrong.
also i think that six disc fogger is a bit overkill for such a small grow tent. you could get away with a single disc.
Edited by deadmandave (04/07/20 02:06 PM)
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: deadmandave]
#26585143 - 04/07/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't blow it into the chamber. Suck it out. Leave it on 24/7. And for the fogger bucket don't put any fan on it as the inline fan you got pulling exhaust will pull just fine through the fogger bucket. Will work great for oysters and such FAE needs.
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: seagu]
#26585310 - 04/08/20 12:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok, I have to jump in on this one.
The above statement is correct pull the air out of the chamber. But don't leave it on 24/7 that is a small chamber and pulling 150cfm through it you will not keep any humidity in the chamber. The fan is really too big for that chamber.
I would set it up as a passive system. Meaning as air is pulled out through a bottom hole fresh air is sucked in through a top hole in the opposite corner. I used a backdraft damper (flapper) to close the chamber when the fan was not on. You will need a fan to push humidity from the bucket to the chamber. You will need 3 to 6 air exchanges an hour for oysters so buy a cycle timer I used this one...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01G6O28NA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Each time the exhaust fan comes on should be very short a few seconds with that strong of a fan. You did not give a link to the chamber so I can not tell you how long to start with because I don't know the size of the chamber.
Backdraft damper. opens when the fan is on and closes when the fan shuts off...
https://www.amazon.com/Dundas-Jafine-DB4ZW-Dryer-Blocker/dp/B000DZDPPE/ref=sr_1_44?crid=1TW49WOXEMSZU&dchild=1&keywords=backdraft+damper+4+inch&qid=1586325520&sprefix=back+draft+damper%2Caps%2C161&sr=8-44

For the humidity bucket, you need an IP68 fan. IP68 is the water and dust rating on the fan. I used this one for a year then I switched to a high-pressure mist system. It is a good fan and cheap for the IP68 rating...
https://www.amazon.com/Protechnic-120mm-airflow-compared-others/dp/B00MP2M9YQ
For future reference that pond fogger you bought more than likely will not last long. In the future look for one that does not have a led light on it. They tend to leak at the light and cause problems.
Edited by SHROOMSISAY01 (04/08/20 12:41 AM)
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26585659 - 04/08/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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That grow chamber, there is a pic in a link above you missed it, is about the same size I was using with my shelf unit I had setup. Its the same one a lot of people use. Now I didn't check if he has a speed controller on his fan like I do, but my CFM is either 156 or 195 or something around there. And I definitely needed it on 24/7 on low. OK I just scrolled up and he does have a speed controller like I do. So he will need to put it on low or even medium( yea I had needed to make it stronger for my Lion's Mane) as he dials everything in. With an inkbird humidity controller on his humidi-bucket he will be able to easily keep that chamber at humidity with np. And I see he has one listed. For that sized chamber a 3 disc fogger would work just fine.
This is way easier than trying to fiddle with air exchanges and a dampener, a timer, etc.. And there is no way when I was growing LM that it would have tolerated anything but a constant exhaust. The LM demanded much higher FAE than blue oysters. And so I say from experience the spec sheets are only a starting point - MOAR FAE....
You need to exhaust the spores anyways. You don't want them blown into your room from leaks and cracks in the grow chamber. So the inline fan on the exhaust out the window or wherever to outside, pulling through the chamber, which pulls FAE in through the humidi-bucket and thus constantly over water helping to keep a constant humidity in the chamber even when the fogger is not fogging. Is super simple. And is loosely based on the old tek of 2 humidifiers. 1 for constant low humidity and the ultrasonic for the blast to raise the RH roof in da house. But simpler and with less moving parts. Make the intake pipes total size on the humidi-bucket slightly smaller than the 4 inch exhaust and you will have a nice suction on your grow chamber that will help seal any leaks and make sure the spores go out the house. And if for some reason you don't have a perfect air tight seal on your chamber all you need to do is cut some cheapo plastic tarp strips and let the air suction do all the work.
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: seagu]
#26586018 - 04/08/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok, I stand corrected you have about 200 cubic feet in that chamber. I didn't want to look up the size of the chamber. That's why an actual link is better than a picture. I don't see a problem with seagu's setup. It is actually easier I must admit. I was using a 1 disk pond fogger now that I think about it so I had to cycle on and off my fan. It has been a long time since I ran such a small set up.
Good job seagu!! I would have had him going down the wrong path. The lesson here is... Do the math and avoid problems.
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: seagu]
#26586250 - 04/08/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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seagu said: That grow chamber, there is a pic in a link above you missed it, is about the same size I was using with my shelf unit I had setup. Its the same one a lot of people use. Now I didn't check if he has a speed controller on his fan like I do, but my CFM is either 156 or 195 or something around there. And I definitely needed it on 24/7 on low. OK I just scrolled up and he does have a speed controller like I do. So he will need to put it on low or even medium( yea I had needed to make it stronger for my Lion's Mane) as he dials everything in. With an inkbird humidity controller on his humidi-bucket he will be able to easily keep that chamber at humidity with np. And I see he has one listed. For that sized chamber a 3 disc fogger would work just fine.
This is way easier than trying to fiddle with air exchanges and a dampener, a timer, etc.. And there is no way when I was growing LM that it would have tolerated anything but a constant exhaust. The LM demanded much higher FAE than blue oysters. And so I say from experience the spec sheets are only a starting point - MOAR FAE....
You need to exhaust the spores anyways. You don't want them blown into your room from leaks and cracks in the grow chamber. So the inline fan on the exhaust out the window or wherever to outside, pulling through the chamber, which pulls FAE in through the humidi-bucket and thus constantly over water helping to keep a constant humidity in the chamber even when the fogger is not fogging. Is super simple. And is loosely based on the old tek of 2 humidifiers. 1 for constant low humidity and the ultrasonic for the blast to raise the RH roof in da house. But simpler and with less moving parts. Make the intake pipes total size on the humidi-bucket slightly smaller than the 4 inch exhaust and you will have a nice suction on your grow chamber that will help seal any leaks and make sure the spores go out the house. And if for some reason you don't have a perfect air tight seal on your chamber all you need to do is cut some cheapo plastic tarp strips and let the air suction do all the work.
Awesome, sounds like a good plan, thanks for the help. I unfortunately don't have access to the outside through my room, is there a way to solve for this so that I don't end up with spore lung cancer?
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: cyclones]
#26586296 - 04/08/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would try and make a water trap. Run the duct after your exhaust fan into a 5-gallon bucket and fill the bucket with water. Make the section going into the water easy to remove. You will probably have to clean it often. This will also make your exhaust fan less effective. How do you not have a window in the room?
The water should trap any spores.
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26586304 - 04/08/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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SHROOMSISAY01 said: I would try and make a water trap. Run the duct after your exhaust fan into a 5-gallon bucket and fill the bucket with water. Make the section going into the water easy to remove. You will probably have to clean it often.
The water should trap any spores.

Ok that seems like a good suggestion, I was wondering if that would solve that issue. I don't need spores in my room or lungs. Thanks for the help! Now I need to solve for the temps of the room. Maybe a small portable AC or something.
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: cyclones]
#26586314 - 04/08/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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How will you put an AC in the room without a window? You are better off growing the proper mushroom. I grow my 3015 in the 90'S sometimes because I don't have a temp controlled room. You can also grow yellow or pink oysters. Blue Oyster is a cold-weather mushroom so it will be much harder to grow in higher temps.
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26586360 - 04/08/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have Amycel 3015 oyster and Aloha Pink oyster if you are interested PM me. I may have Aloha yellow also.
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26586388 - 04/08/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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SHROOMSISAY01 said: How will you put an AC in the room without a window? You are better off growing the proper mushroom. I grow my 3015 in the 90'S sometimes because I don't have a temp controlled room. You can also grow yellow or pink oysters. Blue Oyster is a cold-weather mushroom so it will be much harder to grow in higher temps.
Ah shit, yeah I didn't think of the exhaust...... I'll see what the temp of the room is.
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26586395 - 04/08/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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SHROOMSISAY01 said: I have Amycel 3015 oyster and Aloha Pink oyster if you are interested PM me. I may have Aloha yellow also.
Unfortunately I've already inoculated a bunch of grain lol
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: cyclones]
#26586408 - 04/08/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You may have missed my last post. I have what you need to be growing in high temps. I actually sent seagu some 3015 and some pink and also some sporeless oyster that he just received yesterday.
You can try growing the blue that you have already inoculated. I just don't think it's going to go very well. It's best to get the right mushroom going.
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26586415 - 04/08/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would stick the blue grain in the refrigerator and wait for the temps to drop. But that's just me
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: cyclones]
#26586469 - 04/08/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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seagu said: That grow chamber, there is a pic in a link above you missed it, is about the same size I was using with my shelf unit I had setup. Its the same one a lot of people use. Now I didn't check if he has a speed controller on his fan like I do, but my CFM is either 156 or 195 or something around there. And I definitely needed it on 24/7 on low. OK I just scrolled up and he does have a speed controller like I do. So he will need to put it on low or even medium( yea I had needed to make it stronger for my Lion's Mane) as he dials everything in. With an inkbird humidity controller on his humidi-bucket he will be able to easily keep that chamber at humidity with np. And I see he has one listed. For that sized chamber a 3 disc fogger would work just fine.
This is way easier than trying to fiddle with air exchanges and a dampener, a timer, etc.. And there is no way when I was growing LM that it would have tolerated anything but a constant exhaust. The LM demanded much higher FAE than blue oysters. And so I say from experience the spec sheets are only a starting point - MOAR FAE....
You need to exhaust the spores anyways. You don't want them blown into your room from leaks and cracks in the grow chamber. So the inline fan on the exhaust out the window or wherever to outside, pulling through the chamber, which pulls FAE in through the humidi-bucket and thus constantly over water helping to keep a constant humidity in the chamber even when the fogger is not fogging. Is super simple. And is loosely based on the old tek of 2 humidifiers. 1 for constant low humidity and the ultrasonic for the blast to raise the RH roof in da house. But simpler and with less moving parts. Make the intake pipes total size on the humidi-bucket slightly smaller than the 4 inch exhaust and you will have a nice suction on your grow chamber that will help seal any leaks and make sure the spores go out the house. And if for some reason you don't have a perfect air tight seal on your chamber all you need to do is cut some cheapo plastic tarp strips and let the air suction do all the work.
Awesome, sounds like a good plan, thanks for the help. I unfortunately don't have access to the outside through my room, is there a way to solve for this so that I don't end up with spore lung cancer?
Its allergies not cancer. And a water trap like SHROOMSISAY01 is saying or a filter. But those filters will fill and its an added cost that I don't think anyone really makes. You could run a flexible hose to the outside?
So yea once you calibrate and then set the RH on the inkbird all you have to do is dial-in the speed setting on your inline fan and it will keep things running smooth. Read the mushrooms.
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26586487 - 04/08/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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SHROOMSISAY01 said: I would stick the blue grain in the refrigerator and wait for the temps to drop. But that's just me
I may end up doing that, these syringes are a couple/few years old so I'm not sure if they are even viable anymore. The whole thing is a giant experiment haha.
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: seagu]
#26586495 - 04/08/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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seagu said: That grow chamber, there is a pic in a link above you missed it, is about the same size I was using with my shelf unit I had setup. Its the same one a lot of people use. Now I didn't check if he has a speed controller on his fan like I do, but my CFM is either 156 or 195 or something around there. And I definitely needed it on 24/7 on low. OK I just scrolled up and he does have a speed controller like I do. So he will need to put it on low or even medium( yea I had needed to make it stronger for my Lion's Mane) as he dials everything in. With an inkbird humidity controller on his humidi-bucket he will be able to easily keep that chamber at humidity with np. And I see he has one listed. For that sized chamber a 3 disc fogger would work just fine.
This is way easier than trying to fiddle with air exchanges and a dampener, a timer, etc.. And there is no way when I was growing LM that it would have tolerated anything but a constant exhaust. The LM demanded much higher FAE than blue oysters. And so I say from experience the spec sheets are only a starting point - MOAR FAE....
You need to exhaust the spores anyways. You don't want them blown into your room from leaks and cracks in the grow chamber. So the inline fan on the exhaust out the window or wherever to outside, pulling through the chamber, which pulls FAE in through the humidi-bucket and thus constantly over water helping to keep a constant humidity in the chamber even when the fogger is not fogging. Is super simple. And is loosely based on the old tek of 2 humidifiers. 1 for constant low humidity and the ultrasonic for the blast to raise the RH roof in da house. But simpler and with less moving parts. Make the intake pipes total size on the humidi-bucket slightly smaller than the 4 inch exhaust and you will have a nice suction on your grow chamber that will help seal any leaks and make sure the spores go out the house. And if for some reason you don't have a perfect air tight seal on your chamber all you need to do is cut some cheapo plastic tarp strips and let the air suction do all the work.
Awesome, sounds like a good plan, thanks for the help. I unfortunately don't have access to the outside through my room, is there a way to solve for this so that I don't end up with spore lung cancer?
Its allergies not cancer. And a water trap like SHROOMSISAY01 is saying or a filter. But those filters will fill and its an added cost that I don't think anyone really makes. You could run a flexible hose to the outside?
So yea once you calibrate and then set the RH on the inkbird all you have to do is dial-in the speed setting on your inline fan and it will keep things running smooth. Read the mushrooms.
I'll probably end up making a water trap like SHROOMSISAY01 is saying, I've got time because of the virus to mess around with some stuff and make it nice.
So now my plan is to set up the tent, have my fogger in a closed bucket with an intake that is smaller than the inline fan to create suction, and suck humidity in through the tent and then dispose of the stale air into a water filter bucket to deal with spores. Sound right?
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: cyclones]
#26587093 - 04/08/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It does. Although I don't know anyone who has been successful with the water trap. AS far as I know its just an idea that has been bandied about on a previous thread as a proof of concept idea of people trying to come up with a solution. As yours is a common problem with people wanting to grow mushrooms and oysters in particular.. having no easy window access. But everything else is tried and tested. But it should work well as a same concept as a bong works I would think.
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Re: I've been out of growing gourmet mushrooms for a while, critique my plan. [Re: seagu]
#26587579 - 04/08/20 10:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well I guess I’ll try it out and see how it goes.
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