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Cyanescens?
    #26581694 - 04/06/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Psilocybe Cyanescens? Looks familiar, found growing in mulch under the hose faucet, unfortunately has already dropped all of its spores so I can’t get a print. There is no annulus and I tried bruising it but there is no bluish discoloration so I have my doubts just looked familiar.

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Re: Cyanescens? [Re: Godseed313] * 3
    #26581706 - 04/06/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

There is absolutely no blueing while Ps Cyan blues like a battered hemophiliac wife.

Doesn't look like a cyan to me.


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Re: Cyanescens? [Re: Asante]
    #26581719 - 04/06/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Not cyans.

Looks more like a roughed up armillaria of some sort,  not sure n’ this isn’t ID part of forum.


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Re: Cyanescens? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26581730 - 04/06/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Looks like an Inocybe to me, the cap has characteristic fibrils of this genus. Also not the right forum unfortunately.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Godseed313]
    #26582025 - 04/06/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26582037 - 04/06/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Inocybe sp.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26591070 - 04/10/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ah, awesome thanks for the info, this morning was quite a surprise when I got up and found the yard full of what I believe to be Panaeolus subbalteatus or Cinctulus, I’ll post some pics in a bit. These are most definitely a species of Pans and are bruising very dark blue to lighter blue. Also taking some prints if anyone is interested!


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Godseed313]
    #26591087 - 04/10/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Also I may have found 1 stray Mexicana, I’m not 100% sure on that one.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Godseed313]
    #26591159 - 04/10/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu] * 1
    #26591188 - 04/10/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26591190 - 04/10/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

There are a lot of deer that pass through this area so it’s rich with dung and grass, I’ve never seen wild Pans growing or Mexicana for that matter, so what do you think? Am I on the right track as far as ID goes on these puppies?


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Godseed313] * 1
    #26591223 - 04/10/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Those are panaeolus cyanescens, nice find! Need more pictures of the "mexicana" for a proper ID.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26591229 - 04/10/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

They don't grow in deer droppings. Are you sure there's no cattle there or the grass has been fertilized with manure?
I think I see one panaeolus papilionaceus in the mix 😀 Pull out the reddish one which doesn't bruise blue.


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Re: Cyanescens? [Re: Frank Zappotecorum]
    #26591259 - 04/10/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I agree now that I’ve seen the Inocybes it looks super close


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26591265 - 04/10/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ya I kept the reddish one separate just in case, wasn’t quite sure what that one was, has more of a pointy cap while all the rest that bruise have the more dome shape. Not sure if it’s been fertilized but it’s def a possibility, just a lot of deer come through here no cattle.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26591285 - 04/10/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hell ya, you think Pan Cyan? They should be considerably more potent than Cubensis then? Or is it kinda up in the air until I test them? I’ll prob start with like a .5 gram dry or less for a test run. I have 6 prints going right now. Prob toss them in the dehydrator and sample them tonight and report back.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Godseed313] * 1
    #26591398 - 04/10/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, they are cyans, or to put it more correctly; panaeolus cyanescens group.
Try not to use too much heat drying them. 0,5g is a good start if you never tried them before. Most people takes less than 2 (not me 😁), so start low.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26591405 - 04/10/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

A lot more potent than cubes. And even more so when fresh due to the high psilocin content.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26591541 - 04/10/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ahh, good to know, do you lose some of the psilocin in the drying process? I’ll make sure to use the lowest setting possible on the dehydrator for sure too. The forecast calls for more rain tonight too so I might luck out and get another flush tomorrow morning, I’ll sure as hell be out there checking lol


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Godseed313]
    #26591556 - 04/10/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

There's no avoiding loosing some psilocin when drying, but less heat is the way to go.
They won't pop up that fast, give the spot a few days and check out other places while you wait 😀 I usually go once a week to the same spot.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Godseed313]
    #26591716 - 04/10/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Hell ya, you think Pan Cyan? They should be considerably more potent than Cubensis then? Or is it kinda up in the air until I test them? I’ll prob start with like a .5 gram dry or less for a test run. I have 6 prints going right now. Prob toss them in the dehydrator and sample them tonight and report back.




Definitely Pan cyans in the second set of pics. Nice find!

And yes they are more potent by weight than cubes. I recommend eating them wet if possible. If you dry them, dry them on Low.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26591934 - 04/10/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ok cool, good to know, I was expecting quicker flushes from them, I feel fortunate to even gather the ones that popped up


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26591995 - 04/10/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don’t think those are cyanascens, those look like potent lawn pans.  The chances of finding cyanascens in a lawn is very low.  I have found lawn pans that look like those.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #26592010 - 04/10/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What do you concider "lawn pans"? Cinctulus? They don't look like that mate.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26592018 - 04/10/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I don’t think those are cyanascens, those look like potent lawn pawns.  The chances of finding cyanascens in a lawn is very low.  I have found lawn pans that look like those.




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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu] * 1
    #26592035 - 04/10/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The waters got muddied on species awhile back.  Those could be Panaeolus bisporus, or Panaeolus olivaceus.  Finding panaeolus cyanescen growing in a lawn would be an anomally of the highest order.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26592059 - 04/10/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Bisporus, maybe, but that one's in the cyanescens group. Olivaceus doesn't even come close.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26592198 - 04/10/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Where does he mention a lawn thou? I cant find it anywhere....


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26592228 - 04/10/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Ah, awesome thanks for the info, this morning was quite a surprise when I got up and found the yard full of what I believe to be Panaeolus subbalteatus or Cinctulus, I’ll post some pics in a bit. These are most definitely a species of Pans and are bruising very dark blue to lighter blue. Also taking some prints if anyone is interested!




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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26592239 - 04/10/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Bisporus, maybe, but that one's in the cyanescens group. Olivaceus doesn't even come close.


Why not olivaceus?


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26592243 - 04/10/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Nice! I see it now.

Hmmmm,,, That is weird. Maybe he lives on a large property with cows :shrug:

Ive seen Pan cyans grow on grass but its usually enriched with cow manure that's not visible.


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    #26592251 - 04/10/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

He doesn't say it's his lawn. A grassy area with loads of deer. Don't think they grow from deer droppings, but the grass could've been fertilized with cattle manure.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Godseed313]
    #26592260 - 04/10/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What kind of terrain was the panaeolus located?  Was it well fertilized?  Transversed by cattle? 

Any information would be helpful please.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26592263 - 04/10/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Why not olivaceus?


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26592273 - 04/10/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Olivaceus doesn't stain blue. It's usually inactive as well.
He already said that there's no cattle there, just a lot of deers. But it might be fertilized.


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    #26592298 - 04/10/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Olivaceus doesn't stain blue. It's usually inactive as well.
He already said that there's no cattle there, just a lot of deers. But it might be fertilized.



Panaeolus olivaceus has been visually documented bruising blue.  I personally have seen suspected olivaceus already stained blue when I picked them out of a lawn and they were dead ringers for the ones in the picture.  All the pans in the op’s pictures look like what Ive picked out of lawns.


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    #26592330 - 04/10/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Olivaceus won't bruise at all, but do please show me a picture. Cinctulus can be bruise, but not very common. They look quite different from these, though.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26592903 - 04/11/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yes they were in the lawn, so it is possible that manure enriched with cattle dung has been used at some point, but as far as free-roaming cattle there are zero in the hood, just tons of deer.

I’m assuming at some point some fertilizer was used that spread the spores, also up on a hill so I don’t know if that terrain configuration contributes to the diversity of spores landing because in just the 1 morning I found 6-7 diff species all growing in the yard after some heavy rains off and on for weeks, Pleated Inky caps abundantly in the mulch, Inocybes, Boletus, some other spongy gilled large red-staining species, etc.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26592942 - 04/11/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

From what I’ve read Olivaceus has a thicker stem, these have pretty thin, straight, fairly fragile stems with more of a grayish coloration and dome top, Haven’t had a chance to sample them yet but am excited since they are clearly some form of Pan which I’ve never had the luxury of experiencing :smile:


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26592959 - 04/11/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hm, after looking at Bisporus I can definitely see the similarities, it seems like a very rare find if this is true, don’t want to be too specific but they were found in the Southern area, U.S.

Edit: The prints should be about ready too, I’ll update with those if I got some decent ones, maybe that will help narrow it down some more.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Godseed313]
    #26593034 - 04/11/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Panaeolus papilionaceus seems to be more common and looks pretty similar to me, if that’s the case it’s a huge bummer because I can’t find any accounts of them being psychoactive, but the bruising is still keeping my hopes up. I guess the ultimate test will be to actually sample them and report back :/


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Godseed313]
    #26593673 - 04/11/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Unless you put it under a microscope it won't. The prints will be black. To get any closer than "panaeolus cyanescens group", you'd need microscopy.


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    #26593686 - 04/11/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What you have is panaeolus cyanescens group. It could be pan.cyanescens, pan.tropicalis, pan.cambodginiensis or even bisporus. Those species needs to be separated by microscopy. They're all very potent, though.
Panaeolus papilionaceus doesn't really look like them. You'll be able to tell them apart first time you've picked them both.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Godseed313]
    #26593875 - 04/11/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The main lawn dwelling active panaeolus mushrooms would be fimicola and olivaceus.  On rare occasions paneaolus cyanescens have been found in a fertilized yard, but when I say rare, I mean rare.

The stem size thing I’ve found to be rather inacurate.

Here’s an example of pan. Olivaceus blueing.  Notice they call the species  Panaeolus castaneifolius, which is now considered olivaceus(somebody correct me if I’m wrong on this).

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8330594/fpart/all/vc/1

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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26593913 - 04/11/20 05:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

These aren't fimicolas or olivaceus. Not even close. Well, they are panaeolus as well, of course, but not copelandia. What Godseed found here is a copelandia.
They don't bruise blue but they might have a blue foot (if you're lucky).
Panaeolus olivaceus and panaeolus castaneifolius are concidered synonyms. Panaeolina castaneifolia is a different species with brown spores. A lot of confusion going on here... Hehehe.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26594043 - 04/11/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I see blueing but nothing Ive never seen with active lawn pans.


  You’re speaking in absolutes with lawn pans.  There are no absolutes with lawn pans., just rules of thumb, and they are not set in stone.

I think I’ll wait for a TI.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26594051 - 04/11/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Pm this thread to one.


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: Psilosadhu] * 2
    #26594094 - 04/11/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Copelandia, I could guess at species but I won’t


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: doctorghosty]
    #26594125 - 04/11/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Copelandia, I could guess at species but I won’t



Thank you for mediating.  What kind of drawing(artwise) do you want?  Content, subject matter, ect...


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26594131 - 04/11/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No prob, let me think on that a sec and I’ll get back at ya


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: doctorghosty]
    #26594515 - 04/11/20 10:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Copelandia, I could guess at species but I won’t



Thank you for mediating.  What kind of drawing(artwise) do you want?  Content, subject matter, ect...




How about an owl and a red fox high fiving?


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: doctorghosty]
    #26595555 - 04/12/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Realistic or cartoon?


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26595558 - 04/12/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Cartoon, but kinda fucked up cartoons like Ren & Stimpy or Ratfink?


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Re: Cyanescens? (moved) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26609173 - 04/17/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Well I gave them a test run earlier, definitely active, literally ate 1 dried sample, a single fruit and it’s seemingly a much more clear and lucid experience. Granted I just took a small sample, but 30+ mins in I began feeling extremely euphoric and laughter felt amazing ha.

I’m curious to go even deeper now with them, couldn’t find my scale so I’ll grab another and figure out exactly how much dried I’m even taking, but the initial test run was very promising, no nausea, just an extreme feeling of euphoria almost like low-dose MDMA with giggling and laughter thrown in, very nice body-high as well, cheers guys thanks for all the info. Keep up the good work!


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