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Re: Is it ok to be a hermit, or is something wrong? [Re: kotik]
    #4951135 - 11/18/05 10:23 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Friends and family are an essential ingredient to happiness.

You shouldn't isolate yourself.

Not good for the mind or soul.

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Re: Is it ok to be a hermit, or is something wrong? [Re: Mcdoopy]
    #4951557 - 11/18/05 12:44 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

When I chill with my friends we just smoke and end up sitting there for hours on end. I'd much rather smoke alone and listen to some music or play some games by myself then do that. So I guess if there is something to do I enjoy being with people but otherwise I enjoy being alone sitting in my basement.

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Re: Is it ok to be a hermit, or is something wrong? [Re: trendal]
    #4955537 - 11/19/05 11:42 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

"In The Hermit card, the 9th card of the Tarot, the teachers of the Ageless Wisdom are providing us with a future view of the outcome of our soul's successful struggle to reach the highest level of earthly/spiritual enlightenment possible... an attainment that is attributable to and obtainable through continued discipline, diligence and dedication to the laws of Divine living.

As we view the card, most of us get a sense that The Hermit is an isolated, solitary being, one who prefers a private existence apart from the extravagance and superficiality of materialistic living. Largely that's true, but the real message he wishes to impart is just how important it is for you and I (if we wish to reach his level of attainment) to set our values above materialism's fascinations and temporal attunements. Notice that he is pictured standing on the highest peak among the surrounding mountains. In his right hand he holds a lantern which appears to be lighting his way. Actually, the lantern's light is intended for seekers, others like you and I, who are still climbing and struggling up the mountainside below him. Notice that he is looking down, watching our progress. According to Carl Jung he is very concerned and most protective of our efforts. He is really that part of us, the Divine within, that is ready to provide us instant direction and truth. We have but to go within... to ask for healing, guidance or forgiveness. For all who seek, loving support and enrichment will be returned to you many fold."

Perhaps my favorite Tarot card (in the Rider-Waite deck particularly). I still might paint it on a wall in my house, life-size. If one is an Introverted personality type, The Hermit holds immediate significance. To Extraverts, he is 'crazy,' since Extraverts by nature are directed to the outer world, which means materiality and social interaction, and anyone who is inner-directed, who lives in one's thoughts, feeling, visions must be a 'head case.'

My Lady and I are INTPs (by the MBTI) and I have been a Hermit not through choice but because I do not belong to the predominantly extraverted American culture. I have a greater need for friends than she does and unfortunately for me all I have in the world are two childhood friends who I rarely see for the distance between us. Two other childhood friends broke off 40+ years of friendship for reasons unknown to me, I can only surmise. Almost 23 years in Florida and I have never made any close friends. One fellow and his wife call us, but she is purely materialistic (on 'E' she once proclaimed that she was "shallow") and he seems to boast that he never reads. We don't know why they continue to seek us out - they're all about spoiling their young kids, we're introverted and philosophical.

Perhaps after a certain stage of development (high school, college age) friendships become forged from 'practical' dynamics like golfing with one's boss (and allowing him to win), or meeting the parents of the children your kids make 'play dates' with. The days of hanging with guys who are good to hunt chicks with, or the guys who you think are cool to hang with, end. I don't golf (or scuba anymore, or jet ski, etc.), and I have no children. Without toys and games, most males seem like lost children. Hysteria about ball games simply fill the emptiness of an impoverished inner life. Those who see these things as I do are themselves Hermits - whether they want to be or not.


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Re: Is it ok to be a hermit, or is something wrong? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4955586 - 11/19/05 11:57 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Carl Jung.... sounds familiar, actually i think im reading a book of his as of late. "Teaching of the golden flower" i think is its title.

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Re: Is it ok to be a hermit, or is something wrong? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4955636 - 11/19/05 12:16 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Cool Markos! You always did strike me as a strongly Introverted type :wink:

I'm also an INTP, and from the other INTPs I have talked to (and, really, any INxx types in general) this lack of a need for social interaction seems to be quite common.


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Re: Is it ok to be a hermit, or is something wrong? [Re: trendal]
    #4955773 - 11/19/05 01:04 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

eh, i have one close friend that i feel the need to be with.
i get really bored and somewhat depressed when she's not around.
kind of selfish, but meh.

i don't really feel the need to be around anyone else.. mainly because i feel like no one else really gives two shits.

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Re: Is it ok to be a hermit, or is something wrong? [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4955974 - 11/19/05 01:46 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Jung wrote a psychological introduction to an ancient Taoist alchemical tract called 'The Secret of the Golden Flower,' translated by Jung's friend Richard Wilhem.


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Re: Is it ok to be a hermit, or is something wrong? [Re: trendal]
    #4956184 - 11/19/05 02:32 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

But I actually do need social interaction. Unfortunately, it has to be of the nature of my (our) social needs: deep discussions, preferably in a supportive setting which might include music conducive to such discussion along with other aesthetics (cleanliness, subdued lighting, 'good' incense, interesting art, perhaps a decent yet inexpensive bottle of merlot or cabernet, etc.). Now, in our house we provide these things for ourselves, but we like to bring in others to be on the same (more-or-less) page. This all amounts to a lifestyle that continues the Psychedelic Experience. This is what was always beautiful about a well-constructed setting for a trip, and tripping(synonymously: 'being') with others became the preferred model for social interaction. Now this presents a major problem for us since we are therefore not the Superbowl-party-going types, very very few people who are 50 years old (even though we do not appear to be near that age in real life) are 'psychedelic.' A local Shroomerite used to hang with us, and we had great conversations under the above conditions, but the guy (1) has issues of his own about God (and felt that our dragon-clock and other matching dragon art was sinister), hence (2), we are sinister, so he wrote us a 'Dear John' e-mail and broke off our friendship. Well, the guy is half our age but that was a plus because he was still exploring mind and spirit. Most people stop doing that if they ever did it at all by the time they finish with school, go to work and grow up!

In the early 70s, the stream of time was parted for me by the Lightning Bolt of the Psychedelic Experience. Afterwards I found myself on a tiny island in the stream, living still in the Here & Now with everyone and everything I once knew way way down stream. I look around and do not identify with people my age (not that I ever did) or with hip-hop youth culture. When I see one of my neighbors (probably in a criminal line we suspect) pushing 40, wearing baggies hanging down to reveal boxers, talking on a cell outside from dawn til dusk, I wonder how my jeans and long hair, which not only don't belong to Miami fashion, but to a different era, really appear to people. The Principal in the school where I work feels uncomfortable around me - she is maybe 15 years younger than I am. Trying to make conversation at the beginning of the school year she asked me "Are you ready to rock and roll?" (translation: am I ready to begin the year enthusiastically?). I think of myself primarily in terms of my inner life, with acquiring transcendental knowledge and perspective, but the Principal, like most other people, probably assume that the outer means to me what it means to them. The Principal probably fears that her substance abuse specialist smokes pot while listening to "rock and roll" which is why she isn't comfortable about this old long-hair.

We will never really socialize, although there are some in-school opportunities. I do not join the social committee, and I just begged out of a pot-luck lunch for administrators and counselors. If she (and others) discovered that last night (Friday), my Lady and I enjoyed ourselves watching Professor Bob Brier (my former prof) teach us the history of ancient Egypt on DVD, they really wouldn't understand. An aging hippy they might get, but a grown-up who still loves to learn impractical things like boring old history...for fun??!!! What - you don't watch sit-coms?  :confused:


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Re: Is it ok to be a hermit, or is something wrong? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4956229 - 11/19/05 02:40 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

It's too bad we didn't live a little closer, Markos. I can certainly dig the atmosphere of incense, music, merlot (I'm a sucker for shiraz, myself), and deep discussion!

If it's any consolation: I don't feel like I fit into my generation any better than you seem to feel about yours :wink:

I dig things like reading and watching documentaries. Learning about things (anything) is the number one drive in my life. I think you know exactly how hard it is to find other people with those kind of interests.

My ex used to tell me she thought I was born ahead of my time, 30-40 years too early. I used to agree with her, but now I expect that even if I was born 40 years later I'd still be in the same predicament. Or if I was born 40 years earlier.


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Re: Is it ok to be a hermit, or is something wrong? [Re: trendal]
    #4957856 - 11/19/05 10:06 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the understanding Trendal, and of course, should you decide some winter to defrost in Florida for a bit, you must look us up for a visit. The shiraz is on me!  :wink:

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Re: Is it ok to be a hermit, or is something wrong? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4959936 - 11/20/05 01:30 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Good thread. I have been reading it for a while, but didn't want to add just a hum-drum "yeah, me too". So, I will start with "yeah, me too".
My girl and I are (almost) different types. She is 5 yrs younger than me, and is inspired to learn. I feel like I am showing her dimmensions to our world that she has never even  dreamed about.
Let me elaborate, I moved us out to the country with lots of room, good, non-nosey neighbors and no crack dealers and shootings. I am very content here. Though I do wish I (we) had some one to share with, unfortunately, I don't. That's ok with me. I'm usually reading on the internet or watching (rarely watch TV) something educational. But, I sometimes worry about her feeling lonely or out of touch with the world. So, we converse in depth and share and compare each others points of view.
She had her first trip a few weeks ago (oops, a little too strong) she is understanding where my views of the world and on materialism come from. Pretty much what Markos has put so well into words.
Now, we come to the hermit card and the search for personal enlightenment. Most people in the world could give two shits about enlightenment (I guess they're busy making babies and trying to figure out which guy is the father of my baby :rolleyes: , GIVE ME A BREAK, please)
So, we move our conversation forward to the particular chemical of acid (which she has never experienced) She says "I disagree" and gives me such a typical, worldly explanation that acid is not illegal b/c people are affraid of enlightenment and the total destruction of their false reality, but "Acid is illegal b/c it makes people do things they wouldn't normally do" I say "such as" and she says "Freak out and kill people" :lol:
How rediculous. and this is the way society has conditioned misbeliefs. People are irresponsible, and many more people consume alcohol and get behind the wheel and actually do kill people, yet it's still a legal substance.
I'm gonna go right now and collect some evidence that people who use lsd are more content to stay home and experinence or be amongst others that dose and share enlightenment and share the love, while people out drinking are thinking the same thing, but in reality, are doing things they will regret later, and usually end a night throwing punches (which is why I quit).
Just wanted to add our conversation stemming from this thread.
But in support, I usually stay home and find something to expand my knowledge, ponder on things. Especially the ways of the world and what motivates people to do the things they do and the fact that so many people will never get to experience the reality of life for being so stuck in showing their outer selves to the people around them.
Thanks for the good conversation and replys in this thread.

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Re: Is it ok to be a hermit, or is something wrong? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4961944 - 11/20/05 09:50 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

shiraz shiraz what ever will be will be

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Re: Is it ok to be a hermit, or is something wrong? [Re: trendal]
    #4963724 - 11/21/05 11:41 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

at least you get invitations.. so there would by far be no problem, unless you make it.. ..be! :smile:

this new-year BTW. I spent all alone at home. having had the plans of having a party here, with my friends, but then they changed their mind on the last second, and I had no car or anything to get where they went..

.. bah.. I had something to say, but forgot, so let that be me feeling sorry for myself in public! :P

I am a hermit! but I wish I had visiting friends.. :smile:

kind of tied of visiting them all the time, I have no car...
But I do got a motorcycle..

so..

in summer I am all social and shit, always anywhere..

but in winter I get all alone..

I feel like a human-bear, hibernating.. :smile:


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Re: Is it ok to be a hermit, or is something wrong? [Re: trendal]
    #4970771 - 11/22/05 10:28 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

after reading this entire thread i thought i would add my two cents, which may be a very long two cents :sun: like a lot of you i'm the hermit type. i really dont see anything wrong with it, im simply an introvert. i dont feel a need to talk my ass off about nothing. if i dont have anything to add, i dont add anything. i mostly talk when im spoken to, again, unless i have something i feel is worthy of discussion. usually the things most people talk about i could care less about.

it's perfectly ok if you're ok with it but dont expect people who aren't introverts or who arent "tuned in" to understand, you'll most likely be labeled an anti-social looney, which isn't true. like a lot of you, i dont label myself anti social, instead i'd call myself un-social. i would reckon that 100% of this un-social behavior stems from what's around me, specifically the people. this brings me to the post made earlier:
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Nice thing about forums is you can choose a community of likeminded people and then even further within that choose the topics to discuss. Maybe I just need to convince my friends to visit messageboards more often.



if there were a community made up of likeminded people, such as shroomerites, hermits, etc.. i'd gladly go there. i've been toying around with the idea of a "hermit community" for a while now. it seems that there's many people here and elsewhere who would enjoy the simple life, away from the "normal" bullshit, but i got a feeling that many people would get the impression i was trying to build a cult or something (tried explaining this to my mother, who brought up the cult thing). i know i'm destin to live the simple life, i already plan on having a house in the woods, utilize solar power, grow my own food, etc. i think if there were other people in a bikes distance away who were the same as me, that would be great.. hense the hermit community type thing. i remember seeing a post here about a "shroomery island", kind of the same idea. anyways, i think i got off a tangent there, so to get back on track ill bring up another quote from an earlier post by simisu:

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don't you want to have wild passionate sex with lot's of fine looking ladys?
don't you wish you could presue your desires outside of fantasy?



no and no. i could care less about the first. i had my share of fun, but to be honest, it wouldnt be the end of my world if i never had sex again. on the second one, for me atleast, i think it's fair to say that hermits are creative. many "hermit" type that i talk to find joy in writing, reading, painting, creating music, anything that generally brings the inner self to the outside world. i'm no exception, i love writing and i try to make my own unique style of music. these two things are kind of hampered by stuff like school, work, and everything else that comes with the "social" thing. if i were a hermit, doing my own thing, i would have all the time in the world to write, or create music. i would have ample inspiration because i would have no bullshit around me to take away from the natural beauty surrounding me. that's one more reason why i would indeed like to move "out there", so i could focus more on bringing my inner self out through art.

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I dig things like reading and watching documentaries. Learning about things (anything) is the number one drive in my life. I think you know exactly how hard it is to find other people with those kind of interests.




this is true for me too. when i watch tv, its almost exclusively either PBS, Discovery or History. if im eating ill usually watch some crap like mtv or the other stuff just for the hell of it. i tend to see right through it, and laugh at how it portrays people and the stereotypes it reinfoces. actually, its kind of sad, anyways..

lastly, in regards to what filthysock said:
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So I think its totally cool to be a hermit... but what I'm missing is a hermit friend, someone I can be on the same level with, I dont have that...




a hermit friends a good thing to have. just another reason i thought the community would be a cool thing. it seems the reason a lot of you (myself included) arent that social is because you know most people can't stand silence so when silence comes up, they start blabbing about useless shit.

i guess i should have gave some background info about myself.. up until seventh grade (when i moved cross country), being a hermit or being alone for that matter never crossed my mind. i was out every weekend with girls, i practically had a new one each week. i wouldnt say moving "turned me hermit", if anything it opened my eyes. since then, i began to become an introvert, which i dont think is a bad thing. in my highschool years i started hanging out less and less with my "friends". not because i didnt like them, instead i didnt like what we did as friends. in my senior year, "hanging out" meant driving around with 3 drunk and stoned people, while stoned myself of course. it was boring as fuck, it was annoying as fuck. i felt like i was in a place i shouldnt be, when one "friend" would toss a beer bottle onto the road i would just think to myself "what a fucking idiot, your polluting and someone could run over that glass!". what could i do?

i guess i should wrap this up about now. being a hermits fine, its ultimately your life and you shouldn't let other people influence it. if you want to be a sheep and just "fit in", do that, you'll be in the majority. if thats not your thing, and youd rather spend your time being creative, or simply thinking about shit (which i love to do.. especially deep things like the universe, nature, etc), great do that. theres absolutely nothing wrong with it.

and if ya ever need a hermit pal, maybe one day you could build a place near my hermit house  :grin:

hope that rant/response wasnt toooooo long, but what the hell  :tongue2:

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Re: Is it ok to be a hermit, or is something wrong? [Re: pH_]
    #4971667 - 11/23/05 06:49 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

heh, best thread ever... ?  anyways, I can really relate to what many of you are saying.

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I dig things like reading and watching documentaries. Learning about things (anything) is the number one drive in my life. I think you know exactly how hard it is to find other people with those kind of interests.





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An aging hippy they might get, but a grown-up who still loves to learn impractical things like boring old history...for fun??!!! What - you don't watch sit-coms?




heh, well aside from the hip-hop youth, which I guess I am in, since my signature says so, and I even wear baggy clothes... but apart from the way I dress myself, and one type of music I like, this is a great example of how 2 otherwise opposite people really could get along, because of an interest in history and deep discussions, as opposed to talk about the latest sneaker in stores, or the latest video on MTV.  I am 1/2 your age (you said 50?) but I love watching the history channel just as much as you probably... my friends think I am crazy when they catch me watching a 3 hour lecture (without computer animation or techno music to keep those without attention spans interested)

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Louise:

Most people in the world could give two shits about enlightenment (I guess they're busy making babies and trying to figure out which guy is the father of my baby  , GIVE ME A BREAK, please)

I usually stay home and find something to expand my knowledge, ponder on things. Especially the ways of the world and what motivates people to do the things they do and the fact that so many people will never get to experience the reality of life for being so stuck in showing their outer selves to the people around them.




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i dont feel a need to talk my ass off about nothing. if i dont have anything to add, i dont add anything. i mostly talk when im spoken to, again, unless i have something i feel is worthy of discussion. usually the things most people talk about i could care less about.




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couldn't agree more, although we all fall into situations where we are going on and on about shit that no one else cares about... for some people, talking about society may be important.. but then to someone that just came back from the mall wearing brand new name-brand clothes, and a $200 haircut... I mean although you may share some interests... certain topics are just sure-losers.  For example one of my best friends (which is also a roommate) is fun to hang with and talk to sometimes but I feel that 49.99% of the time he is talking about some bullshit I don't care about at all (for instance, the latest ringtones he bought), and 49.99% of the time I am talking about something he doesn't care about (for instance, anything that happened before 1990).  Although we both have the courtesy to pretend we care by arbitrarily nodding heads, or saying monosyllabic things like "cool," "oh yeah?" or my favorite "word?," I can certainly sense a wall emerging...  it's like you come to a certain point where you have already heard all the stories each has to offer.. you think you already know someone's stance/opinion, so it boils down to a situation where neither feels they have anything to offer as meaningful discussion, and at the same time, may feel as though the other has nothing to offer in discussing something you find meaningful.

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in my senior year, "hanging out" meant driving around with 3 drunk and stoned people, while stoned myself of course. it was boring as fuck, it was annoying as fuck. i felt like i was in a place i shouldnt be, when one "friend" would toss a beer bottle onto the road i would just think to myself "what a fucking idiot, your polluting and someone could run over that glass!".




hah, pretty much describes my last few years in high school as well...  but I have to admit, at the time although I found it mostly pointless, I enjoyed almost every minute of it.  However... no less than 5 years later, I still have friends that get drunk most nights, drive around honking at girls and throwing beer bottles out the window in the freeway...  its like nothing has really changed.  Sometimes I even have to wonder, maybe getting drunk and horny and being destructive SHOULD be as fun as it used to be.. and maybe I'm just becoming a boring person.


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Re: Is it ok to be a hermit, or is something wrong? [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #4972948 - 11/23/05 04:00 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Well, acid is the original "red pill" of The Matrix, which awakens people to the trance of shallow cultural values that have they been immersed in. I remember unbelievable stories of all kinds during the late 60s-early 70s in all kinds of publications. My college newspaper printed a story about two guys who wore hair to their waists, arrested for cannabalism. After being handcuffed (in front, not behind their backs) one of the 'cannibals' pulled a phial of liquid LSD from his belt, drank it down and vanished from site while his clothes dropped to the ground! Cool...psychedelic ascension. How about the tripping baby sitter who allegedly diapered a turkey and roasted the baby? Or again, the ever-famous hippies who stared at the sun until they had burned out their retinas and become permanently blind? Let me not forget the permanent chromosome damage that results from LSD, or in a later generation the 'fact' that 5 trips makes one legally 'insane.' Oh, and the spinal fluid thing...

It was the Tate-La Bianca murders by the acid-programmed Mansonoids that will never be forgotten, and that anomaly has been disseminated into the common mentality of the average American mind. It is this cultural anomaly that probably informs your girlfriend about the heinous dangers of LSD. Every year at least 100 persons die from aspirin, but this isn't newsworthy. Like others who used psychedelics wisely, I got a lot smarter off of them, but then, I was not a psychopath to begin with.


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