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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26580227 - 04/05/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not trying to (mould?) :lol: you into anything, Im just here to open you up to alternative methods if it proves that you keep running into difficulties with the more conventional methods. That's the ONLY thing I'm here for. And as long as you decide to keep using SGFC I'll still be here and offer my knowledge on what you can do to increase your chances of success :super: as far as Sockadin goes I can't really do much about his constant making this personal about my 'personality traits' or about my intentions on trying to help you and others. I'm sure he'll stop doing that at some point I believe he's a good guy as anyone else we just have a little different approach to what it means to offer help that's all :smile:


After reading this entire thread yesterday it's perfectly clear to me now where the friction comes from. Sockadin is clearly very much about boosting your motivation and enthusiasm and really wanting to reassure you that you're doing everything correct and I'm not gonna argue against that. You are following advice to the T its just that I've seen many growers do exactly that and by the end of the day they're confused about how they couldnt have much more success as they clearly got confirmation all along that what they're doing is correct.


Let me put it to you this way: The more you have to intervene with the mushrooms process of growing healthy the further away you are from having created optimal fruiting conditions sounds perfectly reasonable right? The objective of creating such an environment that closely mimics the organisms natural habitat also sounds perfectly reasonable correct? So all I'm saying is that completely new growers that yet don't understand how insanely uncomplicated this really is will often fall into the trap of overcomplicsting thing and over compensating everything they do, that's why in my humble opinion it can be very practical to either try different methods one after another if one doesn't give good results or to try several different methods all at once (doesn't at all take extra energy to construct a SGFC and a HC instead of constructing two or more SGFCs) and I'm still  not trying to get you to do anything except keep an open mind to trying different methods is IN NO WAY contraproductive for you, on the contrary learning different methods can only expand your knowledge and increase your chances of success. Gl and really looking forward to see you harvest from anywhich fruiting setup :super:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Mateja] * 1
    #26580308 - 04/05/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Do you read what you post or is this how you actually speak in real life?

Mushrooms are the reproductive end of a Mycelium structure. When there is an environmental shift either from a competitor or from nature the Mycelium will push all of its energy and nutrients to procreate. It is wired into their DNA. An optimum growing environment is basically creating an environment that allows the Mycelium to digest the substrate without having to fruit. (I guess unless you open the lid or some shit)


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Mateja]
    #26580325 - 04/05/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm not trying to (mould?) :lol: you into anything,




Cute. :tongue2:

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Im just here to open you up to alternative methods




I don't know if you read my last post, but I made it very clear and I will reiterate it now: once I fill up my second and last SGFC with the current 8 cakes, which will be in the next day or two, then I will start the process of using the small amount of MS in the two syringes I have, and will make the substrate for 4 to 6 jars, sterilize them, and inoculate those jars. I will then try your method for those jars since hopefully this current 24 cake crop will be a healthy and successful yield.

I think you may have missed that part in my wall-o-text. lol

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Mateah said:if it proves that you keep running into difficulties with the more conventional methods. That's the ONLY thing I'm here for. And as long as you decide to keep using SGFC I'll still be here and offer my knowledge on what you can do to increase your chances of success :super:




Great, much appreciated! To be clear, I made the commitment to stick with PF Tek 100%, at least for this current grow. But in a few days, I will start inoculating jars and will try things your way for those jars.

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After reading this entire thread yesterday it's perfectly clear to me now where the friction comes from. Sockadin is clearly very much about boosting your motivation and enthusiasm and really wanting to reassure you that you're doing everything correct and I'm not gonna argue against that. You are following advice to the T its just that I've seen many growers do exactly that and by the end of the day they're confused about how they couldnt have much more success as they clearly got confirmation all along that what they're doing is correct.




I want to be clear about something. Sockadin and all the other guys that have been helping me, and yes, I count you among them as well, are very knowledgeable about mycology. Some of these guys may even be semi-pro or pro mycologists for all I know. Look, my point is that Sockadin is not some dime-store soothsayer, donning a deck of Tarot cards and a cheerleader outfit with Pom Poms. I don't think, for one solitary second, that people in this thread, like Randalf, Logical Chaos, Babylon, fahtster, and others are conspiring to blow smoke up my ass with some fictitious, unwarranted encouragement. What would they possibly have to gain by that? All that would do would lead me into a veritable ditch by the side of the road, would frustrate me, and probably end with a very good chance that I might give up and forget this idea of growing shrooms.

I mean this with all possible respect for your incredibly vast knowledge and expertise in the field of mycology, but are you really suggesting that they are intentionally lying to me? Trying to stroke my delicate feelings and my ego by fabricating positive reinforcement?

Again, what on Earth would these kind people have to gain by such an absurd tactic? Not to mention filling my head up with fluff and pretend encouragement, at the expense of actual good advice, would essentially mean that they have spent the past month and a half (I created this thread on 02/18) wasting a ton of their own free time doing nothing but what...blowing air up my skirt?

To what end? Would would it profit them to make me feel good about the work I am doing and the Tek I am following, if I go down in flames and give up, and they are left knowing that it was because of un-sound advice? Is that really what you're suggesting is going on here, my friend?

I mean, if you think they are wrong, then fine, say that. I'm a big boy and can take dissenting or contrary opinions. I love a good debate. In this case, though, I would have to sit on the sidelines while all you guys duke it out, because I don't have the knowledge to participate. But to assert that they are somehow intentionally wasting my time as well as their own with feel-good advice that isn't accurate makes no sense to me.

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Mateah said:Let me put it to you this way: The more you have to intervene with the mushrooms process of growing healthy the further away you are from having created optimal fruiting conditions sounds perfectly reasonable right? The objective of creating such an environment that closely mimics the organisms natural habitat also sounds perfectly reasonable correct? So all I'm saying is that completely new growers that yet don't understand how insanely uncomplicated this really is will often fall into the trap of overcomplicsting thing and over compensating everything they do, that's why in my humble opinion it can be very practical to either try different methods one after another if one doesn't give good results or to try several different methods all at once (doesn't at all take extra energy to construct a SGFC and a HC instead of constructing two or more SGFCs) and I'm still  not trying to get you to do anything except keep an open mind to trying different methods is IN NO WAY contraproductive for you, on the contrary learning different methods can only expand your knowledge and increase your chances of success. Gl and really looking forward to see you harvest from anywhich fruiting setup :super:




All of this makes a lot of sense. I have to agree that from everything I have read, you need to leave these organisms alone as much as possible. Which is what I'm endeavoring to do. This is why I have followed RogerRabbit's Tek to what I hope is meticulous and fastidious enough to produce great yields. But if this tek was so bad, or if the ideas I am implementing now are so ineffective, then why do so many people swear by this tek?

This is NOT to say PF Tek is better than your own HC Tek. Not at all. I would be a fool if I even pretended I have the knowledge at this stage of my learning to even offer so much as an opinion about that. All I am saying is that PF Tek, according to all the experts, on and off this site, absolutely works.

And in the end, what more could I possibly ask for in my first ever grow?

Seriously, just be a little patient with me. I promise to try your Tek, at both your urging as well as at Sockadin's suggestion. I just need a few days to get some substrate jars ready and inoculate them. Then those jars are all yours! And I want to hammer that point home again. You think he is "against you" but yet he still told me that I should listen to you and try your HC Tek.

And you wanna know what else? He said that to me in the middle of the fight you two were having. Which shows me that he is a man of integrity. He can both be arguing with you AND at the same time point me in your direction out of respect for your work.

Now, does that sound like a guy who would basically lie to me for the purposes of making me feel good, while my entire grow goes to shit?

I'll leave you with that. :mushroom2:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26580350 - 04/05/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Well, I birthed the cake, along with three others that were pinning, and they are all sitting in water. I remember RogerRabbit saying that he liked to "smell a couple of the cakes" and make sure they have that "nice mushroomey smell." I tried it, of course with many of the 20 cakes I have birthed so far this grow, and to this day, I have no idea what a "nice, mushroomy smell" actually smells like. I will say this about that cake above. It smelled exactly like all the other cakes I have ever smelled. To me, honestly, it smells almost like wet paint, but the good news is that I didn't smell anything sweet or foul. Also, I noticed that when I washed away the verm layer from the sides of the cake, it left nothing but white behind, so I guess that really was verm just sifting down the inner wall of the jar.






That's one of those things I am looking forward to learning from experience.  I think the only way to really know what "a good mushroomy smell" smells like is to smell it repeatedly, then, when a cake or jar smells different than usual, you have a clue it might be contaminated.

Heh, thanks for mentioning me as one of the folks not blowing smoke up your ass.  I'm actually more newb than you are, my mycelium is still on agar, no pins yet (well, I have 3 jars of grain, but they just got agar put in them last night, so no idea if they will grow anything)  I'm also literally a tarot card reader, so it's funny that you mentioned that.  I just have been reading the forum like crazy in my quest to grow shrooms myself, and have worked professionally as a researcher before, so I'm trying to pass on some of what I have gathered.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Babylon] * 1
    #26580358 - 04/05/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think that smell is something that sticks with you. Smell a fresh cake and eat 5 Grams of dried mushrooms. It will implant in your brain for a good 20 years.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Babylon]
    #26580362 - 04/05/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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That's one of those things I am looking forward to learning from experience.  I think the only way to really know what "a good mushroomy smell" smells like is to smell it repeatedly, then, when a cake or jar smells different than usual, you have a clue it might be contaminated.




I'm certain you're right. Just to reiterate, I have a good sense of smell, and when I birthed all four cakes today, I saved the suspect one for last. I literally closed my eyes and smelled every one of the cakes. Then I did the same with the 4th I was uncertain about, thanks to Sockadin's suggestion that I both birth and smell the cake for anything off. While I may not be sure what "off" smells like, or even what that "mushroomy smell" that RogerRabbit alludes to smells like, I can tell you this. The cake I was concerned about smelled exactly like the others. I even twirled the cake around, smelling every part of it, including the area I was visually honing in on. If nothing else, it put my mind at ease to follow his advice and small the cake. As did Mateah's observation that even if my cake is infected, it won't necessarily spread to other cakes.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Babylon]
    #26580377 - 04/05/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Heh, thanks for mentioning me as one of the folks not blowing smoke up your ass.  I'm actually more newb than you are, my mycelium is still on agar, no pins yet (well, I have 3 jars of grain, but they just got agar put in them last night, so no idea if they will grow anything)  I'm also literally a tarot card reader, so it's funny that you mentioned that.  I just have been reading the forum like crazy in my quest to grow shrooms myself, and have worked professionally as a researcher before, so I'm trying to pass on some of what I have gathered.




Cool about the Tarot cards. I have always been fascinated by them, and have done a ton of lay readings for people just for fun. As for your assertion that you are more n00b than I am, LMAO at that one. If you are already working with Agar and grain, then you are a lot more advanced than me right out of the gate. I literally picked PF Tek because after watching RogerRabbit's videos, I realized that it was basically idiot-proof.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26580440 - 04/05/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Heh, thanks for mentioning me as one of the folks not blowing smoke up your ass.  I'm actually more newb than you are, my mycelium is still on agar, no pins yet (well, I have 3 jars of grain, but they just got agar put in them last night, so no idea if they will grow anything)  I'm also literally a tarot card reader, so it's funny that you mentioned that.  I just have been reading the forum like crazy in my quest to grow shrooms myself, and have worked professionally as a researcher before, so I'm trying to pass on some of what I have gathered.




Cool about the Tarot cards. I have always been fascinated by them, and have done a ton of lay readings for people just for fun. As for your assertion that you are more n00b than I am, LMAO at that one. If you are already working with Agar and grain, then you are a lot more advanced than me right out of the gate. I literally picked PF Tek because after watching RogerRabbit's videos, I realized that it was basically idiot-proof.





It's not.  I tried and failed at PF several years ago.  I went with agar now because it's a bit more forgiving.  I'm more newb because you have grown mushrooms, even if you haven't harvested any yet, and I have not.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26580447 - 04/05/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

:lol: Jesus Christ...


All of a sudden you think I told you that every single poster in this thread is blowing smoke up your ass when the only thing I said was that Sockadin and I have different view of what helping is. He is assuring you that you're doing everything correct and I explicitly said I do not argue with that at all because you are following advice to the T. And then I said I know from experience that following advice to the T does not IN ANY WAY guarantee great success. Now stop putting words in my mouth and start to take my advice for what it is or leave it the choice is yours. What the heck is up with making everything so God damn personal in this thread :lmafo:


Dude, just make something out of the advice I'm giving you or don't. But stop bringing Sockadin into every time you're answering me I have enough on my plate with him in my own thread :lol: I'll stop talking about him now and you stop talking about him to me as well deal?


You want to know  a technique to see how your cakes smell? Just give them a generous mist from at least 70-80cm above and notice how everything above the tub gets filled with the fresh mushroom smell :super:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Mateja]
    #26581045 - 04/06/20 05:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Babylon said:It's not. I tried and failed at PF several years ago. I went with agar now because it's a bit more forgiving. I'm more newb because you have grown mushrooms, even if you haven't harvested any yet, and I have not.



While you may be behind me in terms of a harvest, I think you are misusing the word n00b here, my friend. :jah:

You are confusing your first failed attempt at this Tek to mean you are more of a n00b. I would argue the point that you learned more from that failed attempt than I probably know about growing. Let's not forget that you are also now in the middle of a much more sophisticated grow than anything I am doing. Results =/= experience.

I am at the start of Day #5 of my initial 13 cakes in my terrarium, and some of the cakes are starting to go a little fast. Although, the buds or primordial shrooms are small. I will post pics a little later. But seriously, you know a lot more about growing shrooms than I do, which was my point. Yield is secondary. Also, who knows if I am going to actually get a nice, viable crop? So far all I see are a crapload of Barbie Dream-Shrooms. Although they are a lot bigger and far more prolific than the Dream-Shrooms I posted pics of a day or two ago.

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:lol: Jesus Christ...




I don't think I have that kind of status to be the only begotten something or other of the big guy upstairs. But, hey, thanks for the compliment. :tongue:


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Mateah said:All of a sudden you think I told you that every single poster in this thread is blowing smoke up your ass when the only thing I said was that Sockadin and I have different view of what helping is.




No, not at all. You're taking me out of context. I posted that just to clarify, just in case that's what you were saying. In reality, the way you expressed yourself in several of your posts, it could go either way. If you are saying that's not what you were saying, then I apologize for misunderstanding, but perhaps you might consider re-reading some of your posts in this thread, as you really do come off very combative and adversarial sometimes. Its not out of line for me to respond to a plain-text reading of your post. I have very good reading comprension, and I can assure you that I was likely not the only one who felt that you may (or may not) have been saying what I thought you were.

Just something to think about. 


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He is assuring you that you're doing everything correct and I explicitly said I do not argue with that at all because you are following advice to the T. And then I said I know from experience that following advice to the T does not IN ANY WAY guarantee great success.
Now stop putting words in my mouth





If you believe that this is what they were saying, that literally ANYONE in this thread was guaranteeing me success, then might I suggest its not me putting words in your mouth, but you putting them in mine and others. Not one person here ever staked their reputation on my success. Many people, including RogerRabbit have been very clear that sometimes shit happens. Sometimes jars get ruined by mold or bacteria. Maybe its rare, maybe its not. I have no idea of that. But there is ALWAYS a part of this that comes down to chance and circumstances.

I would absolutely agree with you if some of the folks here were guaranteeing that I would have a successful grow by doing everything right and by following the directions of this Tek meticulously.


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and start to take my advice for what it is or leave it the choice is yours. What the heck is up with making everything so God damn personal in this thread :lmafo:




I think its fair to say that you're doing a bit of that yourself here, too. You seem to get a little worked up simply because someone disagrees with you. Look at how you're responding to me here in my thread. I have been literally very carefully tip-toeing around every post, going out of my way to be tactful, reasonable, and measured when speaking to you. And you respond to me as if I am attacking you. Isn't it possible, just possible, that maybe you're personality and your outward demeanor toward anyone you disagree with is what's causing your present situation and all this consternation?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I would ask you to at least think about it. You seem to be very combative and pugilistic about all of this. You have a great tek. Why not let that and your results speak for itself.

After seeing your reactions toward me and others, I decided to do a little investigating. Since RogerRabbit came out with, or popularized, a groundbreaking Tek and you are claiming that you have as well, which I'm sure you have, then I am assuming you have that in common with him. But here's the thing: I perused a lot of his posts, many, many of them. To see something. Maybe when you get to the level he gets to, or perhaps you have gotten to, you become more aggressive and fight with people. Maybe that's how its done for all I know, right?

But I couldn't find a single post where he fought, battled, or got into forum skirmishes with anyone. Here is a guy who is famous in the growing community, maybe the most famous mycologist out there, for all I know. Yet, he lets his tek, his videos, his information, and his site speak for themselves. He doesn't bicker and argue the way you are doing. If it were just me, then I would say that maybe I'm just a jerk and you are forced to be this way. But its everyone you talk to who disagrees with anything you say. Again, just CONSIDER what I say. 

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Dude, just make something out of the advice I'm giving you or don't.




Asked and answered, I already agreed with this. I said I would several times. But you seem determined to fight and argue to even begin to see that.

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Now stop putting words in my mouth  But stop bringing Sockadin into every time you're answering me I have enough on my plate with him in my own thread :lol: I'll stop talking about him now and you stop talking about him to me as well deal?





Sorry, I have to call bullshit on this. YOU are the one who brought him up, not me. I was simply defending him in my thread. You were the one that cited that he and others were giving me nothing but some false, feel-good advice. You accused the guy in this thread who has really dug in to help me of being basically intellectually dishonest with me. You didn't use those words, but that was the gist.

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You want to know  a technique to see how your cakes smell? Just give them a generous mist from at least 70-80cm above and notice how everything above the tub gets filled with the fresh mushroom smell :super:




This is great advice, thanks.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26581062 - 04/06/20 05:41 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I've noticed a lot of the best growers are quite argumentative.  I've been reading my way through the Mush Cult general chat thread, scouring it for tips and tricks, and about half of it is rather heated debates between people who grow clean pounds of mushrooms about what is best.  Lots of swearing and personal attacks too.

Mushboy talked about the way that mushrooms effect the ego and I can definitely see having that ability giving someone the sort of ego that would cause really angry arguements (ironically mushboy is one of the folks having those angry arguements)

On the plus side debate can lead to learning, as long as you open yourself to that, it looks like the debates will often lead to experimentation to prove a point, and that leads to improved technique in many cases.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26581544 - 04/06/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Okay so another update with pics, and a very odd situation.

First off, its almost exactly 5 days since I put the first 13 cakes into my SGFC. I have no idea how fast these guys are supposed to grow, but 5 days seems fast to me, when I read in most places it can take up to 2 weeks in decent conditions to really fruit to the point of being harvest-ready.

In retrospect, I am so happy that I separated my jars and cakes based on strain, birthing date, and time of day. Because there is a certain consistency with the inconsistent results I'm getting. But at least I know. I am re-posting my floor plan to illustrate, so people don't have to go back several pages and find it.

So first pic is an overview from the front of the SGFC. Second pic is a closeup of the right side cakes. Third pic is a closeup of the left side cakes.

4th, 5th, and 6th pics are closeups of individual cakes that seem to be proliferating nicely, at least to my eye. 4 is the cake on the right side behind the very front cake, and seems to have the most small pins. 5 is the one directly in front of that cake, front of SGFC. 6 is the rear cake, basically one back and one to the left (under the gold tone hygrometer).

7 is just a re-posting of my floor plan because of this reason. As I said, VERY HAPPY I made this and kept track, because otherwise I would be scratching my head and confused. Notice that the cakes that are proliferating the most are the from the Costa Rico syringe and were the ones that were put in the SGFC almost exactly 5 days ago. Now here's the thing: ALL of my Costa Rico inoculated cakes are showing pinning from sparse to pretty populated. Particularly that second one from the front-right of the SGFC.

Now the odd part. It looks like only ONE real pin is emerging from one the Golden Teacher cakes, which are all the ones on the left side of the SGFC. Notice that one pin on the extreme left of the overview of the SGFC as well as the left side closeup. I find it very interesting and kind of cool that the strains are behaving consistently with one another.













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    #26582289 - 04/06/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

That's awesome. I can't remember if you had a question though. I can't believe I had to dig for this post. Man the forum is active tonight.

Yeah GT tend to grow very large fruits so it's probably gonna dump alot of energy into one shroom over a bunch of smaller ones. Those all look great.


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    #26582313 - 04/06/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Awesome brother, thanks and glad to hear it! Quick question, I know you’ve answered this before, but I don’t want to dig through the thread on my cell phone, and I’m reading a lot of mixed answers looking at different sites all over the web. Start to finish what’s the timeline, generally on average, of from when you first put the cakes in to the SGFC (Day 1) all the way up to the first actual flush and harvest? Also what’s the timelines of second and third if there are those other flushes, of course?


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    #26582442 - 04/06/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So approximate answer is 5-10 days. Could be less could be more depending on genetics and conditions. You probably 1 day from harvest on some of those. Hell you can eat them now if you wanted.

Usually 1 week between flushes after dunk. Like 1 week of slow maybe a few pins and then a solid flush.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26582470 - 04/06/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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So approximate answer is 5-10 days. Could be less could be more depending on genetics and conditions. You probably 1 day from harvest on some of those. Hell you can eat them now if you wanted.

Usually 1 week between flushes after dunk. Like 1 week of slow maybe a few pins and then a solid flush.




Nah, I wouldn't touch them now. lol They are tiny with little pin-heads. Am I correct in assuming the longer I wait the better, and until I start getting nice, full shrooms with big, flowering heads, I should just be patient and...as Bob Weir says, "Let it Grow..."?

I am also making the assumption that I should be on the lookout for aborts like misshapen, deranged looking like short, stubby, deformed ones, because those are the ones I can pick and eat before the full sized ones come? Note: I have also read that not picking the aborts, and leaving them in there, can predispose them to rot, which could adversely effect some of the normal ones. Is this true?

I just want to be careful not to let my impatience get the better of me, so as not to waste any of my crop. Better to wait, the only exception being if you guys tell me, "Stop waiting, and eat that, bitch!" :mushroom2:


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    #26582485 - 04/06/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Aborts can happen at any stage of mushroom development. You will know because their heads will turn slightly black. It is common to have several aborts at the base of larger clusters. It is when the Mycelium moves nutrients in the nextwork to the highest probability of fruitation.

I don't pick aborts, they will not cause other aborts. Leave them till you harvest all the mushrooms.

Also you are almost at the point where it will be time to print some of the mushrooms. Use the search function and both Bodhisatta and Eatyualive have good print makeing TEK's.

Bodhisatta link

Eats link


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    #26582527 - 04/06/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I will check them out, thanks for the links, Sockadin. I am not sure I'm quite ready to start printing and stuff. I may just wait and get one more grow under my belt. I'm honestly not sure how "into this" mycology I really want to get, in terms of long term. I really just wanted a boatload of shrooms to dry and trip off of, hopefully for a year or so. That may change. I may get really into this. But until then, I want to wait on any kind of things like Agar, prints, and whatever you do to facilitate future grows. In all honesty, just doing these 24 jars was kind of a huge, big deal for me. Also, I am going to be inoculating 4-6 more jars with my remaining MS syringes. I only have like 2.5 cc's between them, maybe 3cc'sl I think 1 cc in my Golden Child and I think 1.5 in my Costa Rico. I had a pretty steady hand and pretty good technique inoculating.

What I want to do is this. In the next couple of days, I'm going to create 6 Substrate jars, sterilize them, get out my SAB and inoculate however many of that 6 I can with what I have. Then I will follow your advice and Mateah's, and when I birth those cakes, consider me putty in your hands for experimenting. When that one gets going, and I see what I end up with in terms of total yields, then I think I will be ready to do some...um...whatever "prints" is. lol


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    #26582552 - 04/06/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yay you grew shrooms!!



Good job:congrats:


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    #26582574 - 04/06/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Yay you grew shrooms!!



Good job:congrats:




Thank you, thank you, thank you! For all your help, too, mush! As far as "I have grown shrooms..." though, let say not quite yet...but hopefully I'm close! Although, Mateah says I'm going down in flames with this grow. NOT to insult you, brother, just citing it. Hey, if your right, you can gloat at my expense, Mateah! lol

What I have are half my cakes not really showing yet. Which is fine, at least I have correlated it to the MS species' because I meticulously mapped out my SGFC's. And I have heard that Golden Teacher is slow but massive in yields. Three cakes are showing a decent amount of Barbie Dream Shrooms, and the other cakes showing growth are much smaller.

NOT that I'm not happy. I really am! But I am also patient and not ready to do a victory lap just yet. Soon, I hope, my friend!

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