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I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? 1
#26579996 - 04/05/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am unsure whether or not I was reincarnated or not. In hinduism and buddhism they say this is true. But I am unsure about how to prove this.
There are ways to access your past life supposedly in hypnosis but I remain skeptical.
Any thoughts? It would help me out a lot if reincarnation were true lol. it would answer a lot of questions I have about the world
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: topdog82] 1
#26580037 - 04/05/20 05:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think it's pretty much impossible to truly prove anything in our current level of perception. The only thing that vaguely resembles proof is direct experience, and even then, our senses do not even tell us the whole truth about reality. I think at some level of awareness comes a true 'knowing' about the structure of reality, but until I can see with that level of clarity, I've decided I have to use my intuition to determine what I think is most likely and makes the most sense for me. But even then, I remain open to the fact I might not have a clear picture. Anyway, whilst this may not constitute absolute 'proof', you might find it interesting and it may give some food for thought.
This episode is about the deeper mysteries of reincarnation and its connection to the karmic imprints. What is karma? What happens when we die? How do we know that reincarnation actually happens? Is there scientific proof of reincarnation?
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: PocketLady]
#26580114 - 04/05/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I believe that life is cyclical. So it intuitively makes sense. But thats not proof
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: topdog82]
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I agree that life being cyclical makes intuitive sense to me too. I'm wondering what constitutes proof? There are plenty of anecdotes to support the idea of reincarnation; kids having memories of being adults in past lives, people visiting places they've never been to before yet knowing their way around, near death experiences etc. But, other people's experiences don't really bring absolute certainty for me. I do think it's interesting how so many cultures/spiritual traditions have this idea of reincarnation though, spanning back thousands of years. Even in the Bible there are hints at it, although I know many Christians would disagree. It's interesting that there is a tendency to denigrate ancient knowledge, yet there is evidence the Hindus knew about the existence of the atom thousands of years before Western science discovered it.
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: PocketLady]
#26580234 - 04/05/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am skeptical but how did Hindus know about atoms? I grew up in a Hindu household and heard stuff like this but remain skeptical as it could be a cultural circle jerk
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: topdog82]
#26580247 - 04/05/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: PocketLady]
#26580370 - 04/05/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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damn. I stand corrected
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: topdog82] 1
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On my professional hypnotherapy webpage I tell people outright that in terms of what I am charging them a fee for, 'I am a clinician not a metaphysician.' I will not take on a client as a National Board Certified Diplomate and Fellow in Clinical Hypnotherapy expressly for the purpose of looking for a past-life experience. These experiences DO exist but the interpretation cannot be assured. my job is to clarify not confuse so I point out that most Westerners assume the Hindu or Jain idiom of a transmigrating entity (soul), but that Buddhist rebirth is radically different than Hindu reincarnation. Moreover, gilgul in Orthodox Judaism is yet another idiom of transmigration from which there does not seem to be an escape! My job, as I see it, is to eliminate the disturbing and debilitating symptoms that have a psychogenic origin. IF someone discloses in hypnosis that the trauma originated in a different life I would not contradict the subject (as I was taught back in 1989 by my first great teacher Gerald kein), but I have yet to have such a client after 31 years of practice.
There is no proof because what exactly are you trying to prove? The different idioms of transmigration offer different answers to one's questions. Are we a 'soul' that transmigrates through bodies or are we dissolved into samskaras, some of which may glom together after leaving the 'storehouse consciousness' or alayavijnana (the same concept exists in Judaism). I mean, if you rebuilt a vintage car and replaced almost every single part of that car except for maybe the engine block and pistons, but all the electrical, transmission, seats, paint, etc., etc. were new...would it be the same car?
Given either of these major schemes, does this happen all the time to everyone? Is is a punishment (as it can be in Judaism, for which individuals prefer a 'time' in Gehenna [Hell])? If 'we' are not who we think we are, but have been fooled into thinking we are this or that individual 'wave' instead of the 'Ocean' experiencing itself as individual, temporary waves, does that not obliterate the illusion of reincarnation/rebirth?
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said: There is no proof because what exactly are you trying to prove? The different idioms of transmigration offer different answers to one's questions. Are we a 'soul' that transmigrates through bodies or are we dissolved into samskaras, some of which may glom together after leaving the 'storehouse consciousness' or alayavijnana (the same concept exists in Judaism). I mean, if you rebuilt a vintage car and replaced almost every single part of that car except for maybe the engine block and pistons, but all the electrical, transmission, seats, paint, etc., etc. were new...would it be the same car?
This clarified a lot. its a hard thing to prove. thats one issue. its also a hard thing to really define to begin with
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: topdog82]
#26588191 - 04/09/20 07:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ill try to find the story but i read about this one story a long time ago.....There was a child who had model airplanes and soldier action figures as a kid. He told his parents he was a pilot and what his name was (i forget the name) His parents didnt think much of it thought it was just child hood imagination...as this went on he got more and more consumed by this idea almost to a obsession. They ended up looking up the name the kid gave them and this man was in WW2 and died in a plane crash. Not only that they found out the names of the crew mates on the plane and it was the same first name he gave to his action figures. I dont remember all the details ill try and look it up it was a while back. When they found this all out they asked the spirit of this man to leave the child and let him grow up as his own person and the obsession faded...was it re incarnation or was the boy tapping into this other mans spirit and the mans spirit just wanted his story acknowledged??
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: dbreeze]
#26589795 - 04/09/20 09:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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In Orthodox Judaism there is transmigration of the soul (gilgul) but there are also 2 types of possession. A Dybbuk is a malevolent spirit who oppresses or possesses an individual but there is also the notion of the Ibbur, a disincarnate spirit who may co-habit a host. Your story sounds more like the latter. I just learned of this from the book Jewish Views of the Afterlife by S. P. Rafael. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibbur
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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For to the Buddhist, how do you remember past live? Meditate, Meditate and more Meditation, some monks would say you have to at least reach first Jhana than after coming out ask yourself "what is my earliest memory?" other monks would say a Nimitta is all that is required, none the less, you can remember early childhood memories vividly including being in the womb, but more to the point, even past live, that is 1 births, 2 births, 3 births, 4 births, 5 births, 10 births, 20 births, 30 births, 40 births, 50 births, 100 births, 1,000 births, 100,000 births, beginning less amounts of birth to the point of no first birth being distinguished.
I recommend "Ajahn Brahms book - Mindfulness, Bliss and Beyond" for practice and clarification, or his Dhamma talks and sutta studies at BSWA (Dhammaloka) website.
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: saintdextro]
#26592307 - 04/10/20 10:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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More metaphor I surmise than metaphysics. At least in Judaism one is not transmigrated more than half a dozen times. I prefer that scheme but after all, one's choice of metaphysics does not determine Reality (or does it)?
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#26592400 - 04/10/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You want proof of reincarnation experience your memory and remember past lives look at the visions and feelings you get when you tell yourself I am Up for Seeing all my past lives all at once... Past lives are real... Every Religion And Physical Dimensional Beings And Transcendent Wise Men Spoke Of these past lives. Past lives don’t just involve religions they are more than that Eternally Infinite... Why do you have memories you are clearing past all your past lives right now.. you are one with your past lives HigherSelf Contract You Made To Your Soul Before You came to this Earth and Beyond If there are Infinite Past Life Experiences that means that there is more to life as you presently know it look your memory is wiped out clean every time you reach the time of reincarnation not saying reincarnation isn’t real it is well just that... Reincarnation is a sacred part of Humanity a really sacred time of humanity!! Time Time Time!! What is it is it an illusion or what!! Who knows who knows who know... why do we hurt on the inside Life is Painful Completely Painful!! Oh how I rebuke life.. it is endless we are on a perfect mission of holiness.. i realize who I Am. A true bearer and giver of humanity to everyone’s past lives and everyones future lives in general who needs to know there past lives is there truth to it?? Well the truth is in your mind you are the mind you are the thoughts you are a consequence of everything you’ve done in your formal past life your present life your future life you are One with pausing for a while to think of your decisions and what is your next step you do not ever have to relive your past live your goal and only goal you should have it to Remember. Remember who you really are!! Who knows who or what you are only you can tell... I digress there is more to life than seeking the truth all the time the truth doesn’t make you happy an infinite supply of energy and existence grateful to be alive! In this life! Anyways you are sacred to humanity maintain that word in your mind say out loud to yourself all my choices grew me to be who I am Today Be grateful you went all that you did you are grateful to who you are now!! A beautiful divine child.. The perfect child... you are a child no matter how old you think you are you remain with your child spirit forever children are you different body shapes and looks but yes you are the same child as them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good luck and discover it out for yourself listen to music videos chat love express your past lives and karma are being healed right now. Life is Endless and So are you think more about the future and the present moment rather than some past life death............................ Who knows how many past lives you lived our memories were wiped right before we were born... I believe there are infinite... You believe what you want to believe...What an insane subject that is I REMEMBER ALL MY PAST Lives Now and I close my eyes lay down and start contemplate it... I wish you many blessing and may you uncover your present and future lives in the NOW.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RIP to all my friends and family members and animals and loves of my lives swept up by God Taken Away from Me Forever.. Forever and Ever so they Say... You do not have to study anything religious or Spiritual Of Metaphysical to find true tranquility on this planet forever ♾ Infinity what a touchy subject huh!?! Who needs it what is eternity... who are you!! Look yourself in the mirror anytime and ask yourself what am I who am I Am I Oneness and Ultimate Love?? Or Am I A Faker. Do I fake my current believes in order to please people or am I Everybody.... What is there even to attain? And Who Is there to attain it Do I Do Yoga Exercise my Body Do I Experience Everyone for who they they they truly are Past lives are not to be reincarnated with your mind I remember my past life before I came to this planet in Heaven I made a promise to God and My Soul And My Soul Mates And Twin Flame that we would find each other and turn this planet back to where it belonged In Heaven With God Infinity Eternal So Infinite Human Past lives the past lives of me being in Heaven With God and My Soulmate Twin Flame Yes I remember this endlessly...
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: Connection]
#26592569 - 04/11/20 01:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It seems you are addressing the wrong individual. You need to click on the original poster if that is whom you wish to respond to. BTW, if you want people to actually read a lengthy post you best be advised to use paragraphs and not enormous blocks. Just sayin'.
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Hmm. Ill try to do better in the future! People still end up reading it anyway!! But yes more paragraph structure does the body good thanks!! I really appreciate that from a long time shroom user much respect and love but for now I can not change the message... thanks!!!
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: Connection]
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Well, you CAN edit your post at any time if you are so disposed.
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Why because you say so 1000s of people have read my posts regardless of paragraph structure i don’t like manipulating the past bro, whats done is done you can only change the future learn how to get some hand eye coordination what’s done is done... just see it for what it is i wrote sacred knowledge up to you to figure out how to interpreted it!!!!!! Life does not involve on changing the past or future it is about being in the present moment expressing thyself as best as you can this sacred knowledge is out of my control it is what it is and is meant to stay that way destiny will not allow me to edit a post perfection in words it is editing throws off the message this post is about past lives right the past cannot be edited or changed it comes from an inner place...
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: saintdextro] 1
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saintdextro said: For to the Buddhist, how do you remember past live? Meditate, Meditate and more Meditation, some monks would say you have to at least reach first Jhana than after coming out ask yourself "what is my earliest memory?" other monks would say a Nimitta is all that is required, none the less, you can remember early childhood memories vividly including being in the womb, but more to the point, even past live, that is 1 births, 2 births, 3 births, 4 births, 5 births, 10 births, 20 births, 30 births, 40 births, 50 births, 100 births, 1,000 births, 100,000 births, beginning less amounts of birth to the point of no first birth being distinguished.
I recommend "Ajahn Brahms book - Mindfulness, Bliss and Beyond" for practice and clarification, or his Dhamma talks and sutta studies at BSWA (Dhammaloka) website.
Coming out of any of the first 4 jhanic stages does not provide the ability to recall first memory from my experience. I consider my whole life to be my first memory, but there is nothing in that memory about another life thus far. The faculty of mind associated with memory is mindfulness, it doesn’t seem like it from the Christian translation, but mindfulness is essentially our ability to remember. I haven’t found any proof of reincarnation, in the sense that memories from ones life as an embodied being are transferred to another embodiment, but I also am not actively seeking to prove or disprove it. Energy is recycled and primordial in nature, that’s as close as a good understanding of it that I can currently be confident about.
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: Connection]
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Oh, I see. You are a chosen messenger with an infallible message. So you are ordained from "destiny" not to make corrections because your writing style is perfect as it is. Am I close here? And of course, there is no need to humbly accept a suggestion for the sake of clarity and convenience to others because it's up to us to develop the eye coordination to read your divinely inspired square "sacred knowledge." Is this accurate? And of course, just like the Q Document and the Koinē Greek that the Gospel narratives were written in, you also do not need to use punctuation either. Rather, readers should hang on your every word and contemplate the "sacred knowledge" you have deigned to impart to us Shroomerites. Is this correct or do 'I' need to be corrected?
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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oof
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26597019 - 04/13/20 12:30 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shades of Icelander is all.
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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A light shade at that... I still remember Ice's tounge lashings like yesterday.
Rest in peace old friend as your mark was made!
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: topdog82]
#26600657 - 04/14/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I can't prove I was around 5 years ago, there's plenty that happened that long ago that I don't remember at all. There's also things I remember that I am pretty sure didn't happen in this life time, so my personal evidence is that reincarnation exists. I don't expect that to convince you, it's personal, but it convinces me. If you don't remember anything that didn't happen in this life you probably haven't been reincarnated. Either that or your memory is even worse than mine.
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: Connection]
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Connection said: You want proof of reincarnation experience your memory and remember past lives look at the visions and feelings you get when you tell yourself I am Up for Seeing all my past lives all at once... Past lives are real... Every Religion And Physical Dimensional Beings And Transcendent Wise Men Spoke Of these past lives. Past lives don’t just involve religions they are more than that Eternally Infinite... Why do you have memories you are clearing past all your past lives right now.. you are one with your past lives HigherSelf Contract You Made To Your Soul Before You came to this Earth and Beyond If there are Infinite Past Life Experiences that means that there is more to life as you presently know it look your memory is wiped out clean every time you reach the time of reincarnation not saying reincarnation isn’t real it is well just that... Reincarnation is a sacred part of Humanity a really sacred time of humanity!! Time Time Time!! What is it is it an illusion or what!! Who knows who knows who know... why do we hurt on the inside Life is Painful Completely Painful!! Oh how I rebuke life.. it is endless we are on a perfect mission of holiness.. i realize who I Am. A true bearer and giver of humanity to everyone’s past lives and everyones future lives in general who needs to know there past lives is there truth to it??
Well the truth is in your mind you are the mind you are the thoughts you are a consequence of everything you’ve done in your formal past life your present life your future life you are One with pausing for a while to think of your decisions and what is your next step you do not ever have to relive your past live your goal and only goal you should have it to Remember. Remember who you really are!! Who knows who or what you are only you can tell... I digress there is more to life than seeking the truth all the time the truth doesn’t make you happy an infinite supply of energy and existence grateful to be alive! In this life! Anyways you are sacred to humanity maintain that word in your mind say out loud to yourself all my choices grew me to be who I am Today Be grateful you went all that you did you are grateful to who you are now!! A beautiful divine child.. The perfect child... you are a child no matter how old you think you are you remain with your child spirit forever children are you different body shapes and looks but yes you are the same child as them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good luck and discover it out for yourself listen to music videos chat love express your past lives and karma are being healed right now. Life is Endless and So are you think more about the future and the present moment rather than some past life death............................ Who knows how many past lives you lived our memories were wiped right before we were born...
I believe there are infinite... You believe what you want to believe...What an insane subject that is I REMEMBER ALL MY PAST Lives Now and I close my eyes lay down and start contemplate it... I wish you many blessing and may you uncover your present and future lives in the NOW.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RIP to all my friends and family members and animals and loves of my lives swept up by God Taken Away from Me Forever.. Forever and Ever so they Say... You do not have to study anything religious or Spiritual Of Metaphysical to find true tranquility on this planet forever ♾ Infinity what a touchy subject huh!?! Who needs it what is eternity... who are you!! Look yourself in the mirror anytime and ask yourself what am I who am I Am I Oneness and Ultimate Love?? Or Am I A Faker. Do I fake my current believes in order to please people or am I Everybody.... What is there even to attain?
And Who Is there to attain it Do I Do Yoga Exercise my Body Do I Experience Everyone for who they they they truly are Past lives are not to be reincarnated with your mind I remember my past life before I came to this planet in Heaven I made a promise to God and My Soul And My Soul Mates And Twin Flame that we would find each other and turn this planet back to where it belonged In Heaven With God Infinity Eternal So Infinite Human Past lives the past lives of me being in Heaven With God and My Soulmate Twin Flame Yes I remember this endlessly...
The enter key is an important part of punctuation. I inserted line breaks randomly in the hopes it would make my head not hurt reading your post, since it looks interesting. Having read it I have to ask, are you currently on mushrooms?
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26600692 - 04/14/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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saintdextro said: For to the Buddhist, how do you remember past live? Meditate, Meditate and more Meditation, some monks would say you have to at least reach first Jhana than after coming out ask yourself "what is my earliest memory?" other monks would say a Nimitta is all that is required, none the less, you can remember early childhood memories vividly including being in the womb, but more to the point, even past live, that is 1 births, 2 births, 3 births, 4 births, 5 births, 10 births, 20 births, 30 births, 40 births, 50 births, 100 births, 1,000 births, 100,000 births, beginning less amounts of birth to the point of no first birth being distinguished.
I recommend "Ajahn Brahms book - Mindfulness, Bliss and Beyond" for practice and clarification, or his Dhamma talks and sutta studies at BSWA (Dhammaloka) website.
Coming out of any of the first 4 jhanic stages does not provide the ability to recall first memory from my experience. I consider my whole life to be my first memory, but there is nothing in that memory about another life thus far. The faculty of mind associated with memory is mindfulness, it doesn’t seem like it from the Christian translation, but mindfulness is essentially our ability to remember. I haven’t found any proof of reincarnation, in the sense that memories from ones life as an embodied being are transferred to another embodiment, but I also am not actively seeking to prove or disprove it. Energy is recycled and primordial in nature, that’s as close as a good understanding of it that I can currently be confident about.
There are more people alive than dead, it would only make sense for many people to be here for the first time.
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: Babylon]
#26600706 - 04/14/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do bacteria get reincarnated? Worms? Where would one draw the line?
I believe in reincarnation myself I’m just trying to find proof and get the logistics right
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: topdog82]
#26600752 - 04/14/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you remember being a worm or a bacteria? Has anyone talked about that? A lot of people remember life as higher animals, but if anyone remembers life as something that simple their methods of percieving reality were so different from ours they can't identify it as such.
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: topdog82]
#26604902 - 04/16/20 05:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you assume that consciousness is the prima materia then it becomes apparent that the material world is just a dream of God and not real. Given this, there's no reason to assume that consciousness should become affected by the death of material body. If not, then it follows logically that the consciousness will dream up another material world much as it did this one.
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: topdog82]
#26608544 - 04/17/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Reincarnation is a tricky question, because we view it from our viewpoint within time and space, and with our human intellect, while it obviously partially happens (if at all) in a dimension that transcends all this. Who knows if one could be 'reincarnated' back in time, or live several lives simultaneously, or 'remember' lives from the future...? The concept of reincarnation as we view it also postulates individual souls that keep part of their identity throughout all said lives.
But since you're asking if it's real, and we happen to dwell in this realm that likes to access knowledge through scientific observation, I think the work of Ian Stevenson is relevant here. In a nutshell, Stevenson was a psychiatrist who spent the best part of his career trying to objectively verify stories of young children who claimed to be or have been someone else, apparently with considerable success. In a number of instances, these kids were able to direct their parents to other families and other places, claiming that's where they belonged, and they could remember verifiable things only that deceased person could have known. Sometimes they even showed birth defects that seemed to match 'scars' related to the way this other person had died, usually a few months or years before their birth. However, these memories only occurred in the very first years of childhood, and usually faded by age 7 at the latest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stevenson
Does this point to reincarnation? Or (temporary) possession by another soul? I guess those are typically questions that are hard to answer for mere humans, but the phenomenon is definitely strange and seems to be real.
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: Aldous]
#26609879 - 04/18/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Great response. I think this part is key:
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Aldous said: Reincarnation is a tricky question, because we view it from our viewpoint within time and space, and with our human intellect, while it obviously partially happens (if at all) in a dimension that transcends all this. Who knows if one could be 'reincarnated' back in time, or live several lives simultaneously, or 'remember' lives from the future...? The concept of reincarnation as we view it also postulates individual souls that keep part of their identity throughout all said lives.
I have read much the same from many sources. How can we look at reincarnation as it applies to linear time when linear time does not exist but to us?
If we think of time as holographic, and ourselves as not separate from others, we can begin to imagine how difficult it is to really understand an idea like reincarnation or how karma works.
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: Forrester] 1
#26610293 - 04/18/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can look at it as it happens in each second. The running story in the head that is woven through memory and cognition is what is reincarnating, it's not going to stop until it's seen through as being nothing but a dream.
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: topdog82]
#26614255 - 04/20/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Some people are like animals. Isn’t that proof enough?
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: Rorge]
#26614262 - 04/20/20 02:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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All humans are mammals, all mammals are animals. I thought we all knew. ...
From the perspective the Buddhist - Dzogchen perspective of Maha Ati, reincarnation is a gimmick to explain certain aspects of the relative mundane truth to those with a dualistic understanding, but it’s useful in that can be used to illustrate complex phenomena in myriads of ways.
Literally, spiritually, allegorically, in lime with energy and thermodynamics. Etc. Depending on what view point you use to see the world from, the mechanics of reincarnation will be morphed accordingly.
Ex. If one beliefs that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, than reincarnation as individual separate selves going through multiple iterations is false in the sense that it’s actually not many individuals being reincarnated but a whole non dual spirit that has innumerable fractals of itself , that for a individual organisms lifespan temporarily experiences an illusory sense of otherness until it merges back with itself from its fractal form to its primordial form.
And so on etc.
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26614270 - 04/20/20 03:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are you saying your consciousness is split into multiple reincarnations or am I reading into your post incorrectly?
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: Rorge]
#26614280 - 04/20/20 03:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I’m saying that ones understanding of reincarnation depends on how their world view, it shifts accordingly.
And according to one view (as an example) that there is just one unified consciousness, according to that each individual in existence , each sentient body would just be a fractal of the one. Each being an embodiment of that one unified consciousness but experiencing itself subjectively for some reason. When the one unified consciousness is contained temporarily via a body ie embodiement, it may be prone to seeing itself as separate from its true nature due to the limits of perceiving things due to the limits of a body, but upon great mental or bodily shifts or in death, it would simply be like a bubble in the ocean popping and merging back with the whole.
The one in the many, the many in the one.
Shift ones world view and understanding away from that notion, and you’ll see others understand reincarnation differently.
From a Catholic world view, technically after life on earth you would be reincarnated into something or other in hell, purgatory, or heaven. One may understand that as akin to reincarnation.
Still that’s an oversimplified version, but it’s the gist of my point. Catholicism also has the tenant of “the body of Christ” of which each individual is also simply an expression of it, like one giant body and individuals being the cells composing it.
So even within a single religious world view you have multiple dimensions of understanding it.
Catch my drift?
Edited by The Blind Ass (04/20/20 03:36 AM)
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#26614361 - 04/20/20 05:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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This quote from the gospel of thomas expresses it rather nicely I think.
"3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.
When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty." "
What you identify with, so you are. Or as Rimbaud put it... "I believe that I am in hell, therefore I am there."
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: Grapefruit]
#26620966 - 04/22/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I also would like to know more about this reincarnation. Thanks!
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Re: I am looking for proof of reincarnation/karma? [Re: topdog82]
#26625637 - 04/24/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Try the hypnosis technique. I did it once, had two experiences that left me in awe. I was the only person in the room to have visions while under regressive hypnosis.
Also, have u heard of Airplane boy?
Childern with reincarnation memories:
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