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7g largest dose so far-no friends-advice (OBE content)
#26579406 - 04/05/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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In a couple of days from writing this post (full moon) I'll be taking 7.5g; 4g is the most I've done before, being more or less comfortable at 3-4g with and without people around.
The last few trips made me feel overwhelmingly lonely, being held or hugged by someone would have likely snapped me out of it. I don't really have anyone to be a tripsitter as far as friends or even a person to reliably talk to if I start getting lonely, or scared and family would fuck up the vibe.
Can anyone give any advice or suggestions for how to cope with a heroic dose? I need a breakthrough but it's still intimidating.
For some reference, my first trip ever (with shrooms, couple of acid trips beforehand) was alone off a very potent 3.5g of cubes, I went into a "why did I do this to myself" spiral until realising I was the one perpetuating it, and couldn't be alone because I hated myself. I realised that self love is your foot in the door for everything life has to offer.
After the realization, I felt very satisfied and layed down on my side, began staring into the wall and breathing deeply. Started going deeper into the sea of fireworks as the visuals kept getting stronger until I left my body and was hurtling away from earth like some doctor strange shit, flying backwards watching the earth and sun quickly shrink as I began passing galaxies and nebulas, all manner of star systems. I quickly reached the edge of the universe, where it expands or just the border of matter, if you can think of the universe as a sphere, say a marble, I stepped outside of the universe and saw it externally. I looked around and the marble I just left was everywhere, there were marbles everywhere and I kept zooming out even from that point until I realised those marbles were atoms, or electrons. I kept zooming out until atoms became molecules, then DNA, then cells, blood vessels, limbs, and I was back in my own body, fractal universe.
I became one with the universe, and several minutes after, I got slightly worried because I forgot my own name, and had to think hard to remember for several minutes.
My last few trips around the same dosage have not been like that, (could be serotonin from recent trips) so I literally cannot imagine what a heroic dose would be like, last trip was a week and a half ago.
So if anyone has any recommendations or advice for going hero I would really appreciate it, I'll likely plan some stuff like music playlists, movie (if needed), art station, (maybe picnic blanket for howling at the full moon) etc
Thanks in advance
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Re: 7g largest dose so far-no friends-advice (OBE content) [Re: Demetrius18]
#26582236 - 04/06/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I guess my main piece of advice for a 7g trip is prepare for things to get weird, real fast...phenomenon such as extreme time warping/slowing/stopping are common here, hallucinations, ego death, out of body experiences, third eye opening, delusional thought processes etc. It can be very overwhelming. After a massive trip I came down and felt traumatized even though the trip itself was amazing - it was like experiencing 6 months worth of emotional processing in about 3 hours. In the immediate aftermath of coming down, that can be psychologically difficult to come to terms with.
I plan for these experiences well in advance and with a lot of conscious intent. I take it very seriously. My main tool during the experience is to try and meditate throughout as much of the experience as I can manage. I use the "do-nothing" technique - do not attempt to control or guide your experience, just be aware of all sensations whether good or bad and let them be.
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Re: 7g largest dose so far-no friends-advice (OBE content) [Re: Staples]
#26582359 - 04/06/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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How does one prepare for the hallucinogenic experience, a fictive lie come true? Know it’s all a beautiful lie, and appreciate the full extent of phenomena, creation, reality on a different setting. A meaningful illusion, within which your own nature may be known in a way I can only describe as magically so.
Forgetting your name will be the least of your worries if the floor dissolves away. So make sure you have a safe space in which to conduct your drug experience, have your creature comforts at hand- though they may or may not apply.
Take your pre trip precautionary measures and then some( assuming you know them? - are a must ) including but not limited to, letting someone you know and trust that has your best interests in mind and heart know what you’ll doing and when and where, just in case of an emergency. It seems your last trip you mention was fabricated from or interpreted in terms of the natural universe and a bio-physi-chem-anatomical paradigm, that may or may not be the case next time, but is generally a pleasant and comforting view to have on retainer. Also, I would only listen to instrumental music and no movies or and such because of the highly suggestive and vulnerable state you will find yourself in while tripping like that-) but that’s mostly my preference , so that I can limit certain factors when tripping, and thus allow the bulk of it to be a manifestation of my own nature as currently known.
And,
Poetically speaking, you may wrestle with God.
After it’s over, no matter what it becomes a memory, like the past or yesterday, and last nights dream.
Enchant or be enchanted, may or may not apply, and if your body and your mind fall away, abandoning space time, and nothing makes a lick of sense, so what - just Dream till it’s done with.
Most importantly, a non dual love , whatever you may find that to mean, is always a good when good is needed.
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Re: 7g largest dose so far-no friends-advice (OBE content) [Re: Staples]
#26582386 - 04/06/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks man, I usuallytry to meditate with differing levels of success during trips, the biggest thing feels like getting my independence to stand tall because my last few trips were so lonely.
Will definitely try to be ceremonial about it with the full moon, trips with 3-4g are already like that -hallucinations (I don't count the geometric stuff as hallucinating) so just intimidated by how much more intense it could potentially get, thanks for the advice!
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Re: 7g largest dose so far-no friends-advice (OBE content) [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26582421 - 04/06/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks man, I was replying to staples before seeing your post, it's very grounding to hear that, puts things into perspective a little. I've had bad experiences where it felt like I was on an alien planet before but that's a different story.
Makes it seem like I was expecting a double digit experience like to the moon. Sounds like it'll just be full mile compared to a walk in the park, but thank you, helped to stave some of those jitters. Will be taking precautions, family would helicopter and probably be worse than being alone so last resort if need be.
I'd very much like to wrestle with God, potentially in mud or covered in oil but hopefully she takes it easy on me. Ok final time, thank you
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Re: 7g largest dose so far-no friends-advice (OBE content) [Re: Demetrius18] 1
#26582438 - 04/06/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Independence, or the sense of it, especially in the mundane world, has its perks when we are mature enough to be survive on our own efforts.
However, as for the best understanding of the nature of phenomena, all things are interdependent, so you must know on some level if you saw or atleast hypothetically understand the order of matter-minding phenomena as structure and function as atoms are the aggregates of molecules, molecules of cells, cells of tissues, tissues of organs, organs of organ systems, organ systems to organisms, organisms as individuals, individuals in numbers of the same being a species, of species popluatiions, and so on and so forth all the way up to the earth as whole as representative in the order of complexity for biosphere and then on and on to planetary systems and solar systems and galaxies etc etc.
Beware Of the error of an autocephalous view or attitude. Because you wouldn’t be here right now if not for your mother and father, and them not here if not for theirs and on and on to negative infinity . Same goes for you and everyone. You may find yourself in a place-space where you innately understand the reasons for your own loneliness, and in seeing it crystal clearly , be afforded the pristine opportunity to enact your primordial free will and begin living in a way that you can deepen the relationships you have or had with family or friends etc, thus allowing love to work it’s magical spell and erase the fixture of your own self made lonliness, perhaps you might even in seeing your own lonely self, recognize it in others, or merely knowing we all have that capability to be lonely, use that as fuel for the fire to emblazon your relationships in life and even to forge new ones.
Also... side note here,
complex geometry, or the “sacred geometry” as represented in various art forms are prevalent in higher doses, and they can stand out as hyper real and interactive hallucinations that may or may not have meaning and won’t necessarily go away with the blink of an eye but transform on their own or through some strange esoteric way during the trip, but they are hallucinations - seemingly as if more reality was hidden within our everyday one , and becomes unveiled during the trip- not the same as sensorial illusions. They can be fully transforming landscapes appearing out of and in to thin air and remaining, or overlaid on existing objects, just so your aware. Their structure and function is magical and mysterious. Its not limited in its ability to express phenomena as displayed appearance. ( the brain, is an amazing feature of this universe, hmm?)
Interacting with them and understanding them can be an experience that affords one self knowledge in ways not attainable in our ordinary state, so don’t be afraid for too long by anything whatsoever in the trip- because it’s all coming from you, all happening in your head, and there is no one but you in there - no matter the hallucinatory evidence to the contrary, heh. Just yourself meeting yourself in a new and novel way that’s only limits is what to do with oneself in such a mystical experience , and that limit is your own failure of imagination.
Last time God and I wrestled, it was an experience worth living for, and at the end It was a stalemate because I couldn’t beat what ended up being, in the deepest sense of mysticism - the grander part of me that’s apart of all or is all and sharing psyches-mind-soul.
sneaky bugger..lol...let’s just say we or I , danced and fought and conversed enough for 1 lifetime. Truly ineffable, but bravely tried to describe it there...borrowing terms from language and religion and sports etc. Magic Illusory Godly Mirror of the Cosmos as Mind..comes to mind- but in reality it is primordially hyper-nameless.
Living, is the ultimate present, and that’s the most profound gift, knowing this is, imho&e, the reason for our embodiment.
Ps. Your sense of humor and about the mud and oil, the nameless one ☝️ really likes it, guaranteed. It’s own humor is your own times infinity .
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Edited by The Blind Ass (04/06/20 07:10 PM)
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Re: 7g largest dose so far-no friends-advice (OBE content) [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26582633 - 04/06/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lol where to begin, I like your word sandwich, I struggle with being autocephalopodic for a multitude of excuses but gratitude even for morons will prevail, ego work.
As far as the sacred geometry, I still wouldn't call it a hallucination because I tend to see (albiet less often and less clearly) the designs without the assistance of substances. I believe it's moreso awareness of higher dimensions and the geometry is like a dashboard or HUD display of where the mind is focused. So much more, but its already known, thank you for taking the time to throw in!
Puts things in perspective, now I get to have cold feet about double digit doses and slippers for single, hopefully by the time I work up to the ddd there will be some different triple D's in mi life to help get there . Thanks again!
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Re: 7g largest dose so far-no friends-advice (OBE content) [Re: Demetrius18]
#26584401 - 04/07/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Will be taking off in a half hour, thank you to everyone in the thread who has helped to work up to the experience, may make a second post in trip reports or continue it here after the fact if it is an experience worth sharing. Happy trails!
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Re: 7g largest dose so far-no friends-advice (OBE content) [Re: Demetrius18]
#26584446 - 04/07/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Happy trails to you, until we meet agaaain.
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Re: 7g largest dose so far-no friends-advice (OBE content) [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26584452 - 04/07/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hopefully sunny weather for the full moon tonight!
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Re: 7g largest dose so far-no friends-advice (OBE content) [Re: Demetrius18]
#26584494 - 04/07/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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My last trip was outside in a hurricane, you’ll be okay 👼.
Full moon moonbeams would be majestic though.
Btw I know this is my own preference , but I only read and chant this once with all my heart before a deep journey. Take it or leave it...
Concluding Verses:
In order to demonstrate the teachings of the buddhas upon the eight illustrations of magical illusion I have collected'the elixir of sutra, tantra and oral instruction and expressed them as stainless sunbeams. Through that virtue may all beings without exception perceive all situations as unoriginated illusory evanescence, and achieve higher and higher understanding beautified by the buddha-trikaya.
Abandoning the intellect that craves security in what is only dream, magic show, mirage, reflection, echo and apparition, let primal awareness and spontaneity regain their primacy. Once obsessed by the carnal city and emotions, now fled from the thick jungle of uncertainty to cool groves far distant, let the heavens extol and acclaim those babes.
May this, my mind, loathing distraction, in happy seclusion in the peaceful forest, focussing only upon real meaning, achieve the immaculate insight of the exalted. In this forest of flowers, leaves and fruit, enhanced by the clear waters of a renunciate lifestyle, may this my embodiment of unique occasion and right juncture, walk the path of freedom to the treasure of profound meaning.
In this brief transit, until I attain my goal, practising virtue in this world of men, on the path of peace, realizing skilful means, may I release incalculable beings from this fictive world.
This method is the essence of the buddhas' profound teaching and as it carries the import of all experiential truth, with desire for freedom, we should strive from the heart, day and night, without slackening, living it fully. Those of later generations, fortunate and faithful, should depend upon these words at all times, and crossing over the worldly ocean of self and other, the dual purpose of all beings is spontaneously achieved.
This yogi with all-penetrating eyes, seeing the meaning of sutra and tantra and the essential meaning of all precepts, Drimey Wozer, graced by stainless radiance, composed this text in a cave at Gangri Tokar. This sun of dharma with its myriad stainless rays- primal awareness shining-dispels the darkness of unknowing, emptying the ocean of samsara to its last drop, revealing the unbounded continent of freedom.
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Re: 7g largest dose so far-no friends-advice (OBE content) [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26586763 - 04/08/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Be sure and report back
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Re: 7g largest dose so far-no friends-advice (OBE content) [Re: SynKyd]
#26586790 - 04/08/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Let’s hope he realized gnosis and he is currently digesting/integrating it all back to eartih. Depending on potency 7grams of dry fungi can be like a 5 hour peak-break though DMT trip. Regardless of what actually happened I just hope he’s safe and and my wish is that he’s finally settled the Great Matter. Best to you amigo!
It’s a clear day Dimitri, your safe to land now All clear.
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Re: 7g largest dose so far-no friends-advice (OBE content) [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26587119 - 04/08/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Aw dang, I wish I read the verse before signing off, might have helped me meditate more.
So I didn't eat about 12 hours prior, and had them in a peanut butter sandwich, I was feeling it within half an hour. As it became stronger I got a stomach ache and had to lay down while trying not to upchuck. After some of the queasiness passed I decided to go outside and lay in my yard on a blanket and the fresh air got me back on track. This is hour 1-2.
My family comes outside and we start talking for a couple hours, variety of subjects but I'm on that hermetic train, third eye likely open, and what's going through my mind is the spirals of life, energy, and vibrations, universal truths and extreme awareness.
Unfortunately since I was talking to family I didn't get to go on an inner journey with meditation, but I believe it strengthened my roots for deeper journey's. It was a very good trip even though the gnosticism was rather muted, but it reaffirmed spirit.
I've actually done ayahuasca before and the 7g did not compare, maybe doubling up would have, but it wasn't too far off, the Aya had me temporarily raised into the next level of conciousness for the duration, this trip was more like an eighth hitting without the kiddie gloves.
All in all it was a nice spin cycle cleaning off grime the world had accumulated, making ego rule more than it should. Healthy ego hard reset that I think will help daily meditation and just being more conscious.
Also I have to quit smoking because the trip probably would've been more intense if I was breathing at full capacity.
All in all, good trip and will likely add 50% the next time I go for a heroic dose, thank you everyone for advice and help that has been provided.
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Re: 7g largest dose so far-no friends-advice (OBE content) [Re: Demetrius18]
#26587169 - 04/08/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good to hear. potency variability can be controlled to an extent by using a blender to create a homogenous powdered mixture of the dry fungi, followed by giving it a small test dose to assess strength, then you can take an adequate dose to have a peak break through experience, especially when concocted as a tea the proper way. My previous post saying 7grams is my sweet spot is based not on the number but the potency and it’s ability to produce the most exalted high I know , which jut so happens to be comparable to breaking through with Dmt. With tea it’s generally 2 grams extra the intended dose to compensate for any accidental loss from not consuming the fruit body, but that may just be over caution on my part.
Anyways, I get that you had to adjust to your surroundings, But like you said - strengthening roots etc. and being with family while open and unhindered by innate defenses of the default mode network can be exquisite.
I will try to be prepared for a heroic dose, near the end of this month.
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Re: 7g largest dose so far-no friends-advice (OBE content) [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26587886 - 04/09/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ay nice man, yeah, next time I'll go for tea, I've powderized before and feel it went smoother and stronger for multiple reasons. I'll definitely try to go for a more spiritual experience next time, I've been missing that for months.
Good luck going hero, hopefully you won't rip your clothes off and run around in the hero suit. (Do not recommend it)
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