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    #26579350 - 04/05/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hello All,

First time grow help needed- Greatly appreciate how helpful everyone is on these forums and wouldn't have gotten this far without you all. Strictly following BOD's Teks- Each 54q Sterilite tub has 6q grain spawn (PE Uncut) with 650g coco coir. The grain spawn looked as great as expected upon transfer to substrate. Since transferring 8 days ago, things have continued to look on track according to other progress photos on here. The lid stays upside down for passive airflow, light throughout the day, and the only times the tub is touched is for twice daily misting.

However, today on Day 8 there are several small (1/8") localized blue green spots forming throughout the tub. No bad smell, just these visual signs shown in photos. Is this early signs of Trich or Penicillium? Or does it look fine?




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Re: Early Signs of Trich? Or Looks Good? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26579356 - 04/05/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Looks like bruising to me. I think your sub is a bit dry


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Re: Early Signs of Trich? Or Looks Good? [Re: poisoned]
    #26579417 - 04/05/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks! Found this thread and the signs look similar to what you suggest


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Re: Early Signs of Trich? Or Looks Good? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26579499 - 04/05/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Is that an unmod tub with lid flipped


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Re: Early Signs of Trich? Or Looks Good? [Re: shevanel]
    #26579522 - 04/05/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, following BOD's unmod tub tek


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Re: Early Signs of Trich? Or Looks Good? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26579857 - 04/05/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Are you using a fan and how often do you have to mist the surface


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Re: Early Signs of Trich? Or Looks Good? [Re: shevanel]
    #26580421 - 04/05/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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This tub fruiting method is extremely low maintenance. No fanning is required, mist if needed, which will be infrequently. Some occasions I find I have to actually remove the lid because the surface is too moist, other times the corners get a little dry and need a light misting. If you can brush your teeth at home you have more than enough time to visit a tub once or twice during fruiting.




Following the tek exactly as written, though if these are signs of bruising then more misting may be needed. What are your thoughts of what's shown in the photos?


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RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26605744 - 04/16/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

First pins of first grow! :smile: Counted only a handful of pins but still excited as this is the first grow and exactly 10 weeks have passed since bags were inoculated with spore syringe of PE Uncut. Today is Day 19 after spawn transfer to substrate with BOD's  Bucket TEK and Unmodified Tub TEK. Used 6 quarts grain spawn and 650g coir per 54q tub.




Since previous concerns were shared a couple weeks ago of blue bruising spots there has been more frequent misting (3-4 times a day, up from twice/day) in attempt to give more consistent surface conditions and prevent drying. Tried best to keep surface level throughout the tubs, but to counter any periodic pooling of water the tub does get tilted for a few seconds in order to let the water slide to other areas in the tub. However, yellow areas continue to grow and more bruising occurs. Indoor temp consistently stays at ~75F with humidity at ~30%. Still concerned this first flush may be weak -  willing to put more effort and change technique for a better outcome. Thoughts/advice?




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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26605763 - 04/16/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Casing a PE tub is quite the norm however i see pins and lots of knots so ill go sit over there.

Yells from across the room: the surface is dry af!


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: shevanel]
    #26605795 - 04/16/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for pointing that out, in agreement with you on the casing, as this important detail from BOD's TEK was overlooked when transferring spawn to substrate
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I almost never use a casing layer myself, On occasion I will use a top layer of coir 1/8-1/4 inch thick. With varieties like PE that take a bit longer to pin this can aid some people in keeping conditions good. The top layer of coir is more of a pesudocasing


Should have at least added a top layer it seems :frown: Any harm or benefit in adding thin layer at this point?

It's PE Uncut, that's what was ordered and labeled at least. These pins do look similar to other PE Uncut photos seen on here.


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26605802 - 04/16/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You can case it now with just FC coir. Itll help those knots out and keep the surface from drying out or at least enough to maintain pre-flush microclimate . Especially since youve been having problems with it drying out.


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: shevanel] * 1
    #26605882 - 04/16/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Well I guess peu doesn’t blob!


I think your coir might’ve been made a little too dry when spawning the tub, bottom water might help but I’m not sure.

Overall it looks good especially for a first time.

Since the surface is drying out you should try to cut down on the air a little, especially if you’re misting up to 4 times a day.

Also next time adding a top layer of coir when you make the tub helps a lot with keeping conditions good.


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: shevanel]
    #26605894 - 04/16/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You can case it now with just FC coir. Itll help those knots out and keep the surface from drying out or at least enough to maintain pre-flush microclimate . Especially since youve been having problems with it drying out.




Perfect, all done. Thank you for the advice and help! Will post again soon with more progress photos.


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26605907 - 04/16/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Dont let that newly added top layer dry out. Mist  when new coir turns a lighter brown color etc fyi gg


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: shevanel]
    #26605908 - 04/16/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you’re adding more coir now make sure it’s a very thin layer sprinkled on.


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: shevanel] * 1
    #26605940 - 04/16/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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If you’re adding more coir now make sure it’s a very thin layer sprinkled on.



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Dont let that newly added top layer dry out. Mist  when new coir turns a lighter brown color etc fyi gg




Weary of coir expansion with moisture, was extra careful and took the cheese grater to the coir block to ensure it wasn't overdone. Immediately misted it. Will keep a close watch so the top layer doesn't dry out. Thank you!


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26615794 - 04/20/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Day 23!!



Since adding very thin top layer of coir 4 days ago can see why this is essential. Misting 2-3 times/day and checking on it when possible to make sure coir stays moist. However, just this afternoon discovered discoloration and bruising on the fruits (now ~1 in. tall). Could they be dry, or is this from misting too much? Advice?  Trying to keep technique dialed in until the end and not get overly optimistic just from seeing fruits for the first time. Thank you!


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26615799 - 04/20/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The coir is way too wet, it should be brownish red and kinda loose and spongy.

More like this



Give it some air and lay off misting for a couple days and it should be ok.

It’s pretty good for a first grow especially with PE.


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26617487 - 04/21/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The coir is way too wet, it should be brownish red and kinda loose and spongy.

More like this



Give it some air and lay off misting for a couple days and it should be ok.

It’s pretty good for a first grow especially with PE.




Thanks! Stopped misting right after your recommendation yesterday and conditions for the largest fruits continued to deteriorate. Some caps are now blackened and shriveled...  Opened up the lids last night to let them dry off and stopped misting so hopefully they'll turnaround soon. Should the bad ones be removed eventually to reduce contamination?



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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26617709 - 04/21/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

More photos if helpful



This one looks particularly sad


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26617785 - 04/21/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It already looks much better.

I would pull the ones with black caps and weird color bodies.


When you spawn a tub adding a little layer of just coir ontop to cover the grains helps a lot too.


Honestly for a first grow with no top layer and no casing this is going very well. Second flush should be much nicer.

Just don’t go the other way and let it dry out now lol.

If you have access to jiffy 5050 sprinkling a very light layer all over would probably help.


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26618503 - 04/21/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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It already looks much better.

I would pull the ones with black caps and weird color bodies.

If you have access to jiffy 5050 sprinkling a very light layer all over would probably help.






All done, thank you A.k.a! No stores had Jiffy so had to go with the competition. Pulled out the deceased and was too curious to not at least dissect them, they look partially scrumptious but a quick forum search shows it's probably too risky to digest.



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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight] * 1
    #26618529 - 04/21/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Oh I’d definitely eat them.

Was the stuff you used peat moss with ph adjusted?? And field cap?


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26618686 - 04/21/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Oh I’d definitely eat them.



Yay!

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Was the stuff you used peat moss with ph adjusted?? And field cap?




:uhoh:  Are you referring to Frank's writeup as jiffy 5050? Should've read this  more thoroughly before rushing to the store...

Used Miracle Gro Seed Starting Mix: peat moss, perlite with fertilizer mix and wetting agent. Doesn't have lime, so must not be ph adjusted. Just sprinkled it from the bag and gave a careful even mist without overdoing it. The rest of tub appeared at field cap and not too wet/dry before the mix was applied and misted... so I think it's at field cap? :um:


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26618700 - 04/21/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think that should be ok.

I’d spray it down VERY lightly. Next time get a bag or little tub and put some casing mix inside then wet it down. Squeeze it so it’s barely dripping then sprinkle it on.

I’ve also sprinkled it on dry then misted it down cuz it goes on level much easier dry.


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26618720 - 04/21/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Whew.. yep only sprayed it very lightly. I assumed that since it was just a light sprinkle layer that field cap could be eyeballed but you're right it should done the proper way next time. Just gobbled up one of the fruits for kicks, nice n tasty! 



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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26618796 - 04/21/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Lol they can be pretty strong. Even knowing that I was still surprised the first time I ate some.


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26623139 - 04/23/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Status update: For past few days have been very lightly misting once per day to watch and see how the tubs respond. Lids stay upside down for passive FAE most of the day, with the occasional few hours of lids completely off to see how they respond. Tub 1 (referenced in previous posts) is on the shelf below Tub 2, and gets slightly less direct light, but not by much.


Tub 1 (from previous posts)
Fruits that were already slightly discolored continued to darken so these may have to be pulled soon. Pins keep coming. New fruit stems are whiter, but also showing signs of orange stem discoloration. Too much moisture still? Not enough FAE? Or something else I'm missing?



Tub 2
I can see some blueness in the stems, and caps are getting darker, but look plump. Some caps are opening up. The fruits look healthier but flush is not as full as Tub 1. Wondering the same about these too.



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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26624852 - 04/24/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)



Now noticing that the substrate is shrinking, is this an indication that it's too dry? The color keeps changing..


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight] * 1
    #26625024 - 04/24/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Shrinking is normal, the myc network can squeeze it together and then the fruits also suck up water and eat the sub.

I’d try cutting down on the air, the caps are drying out on some. A lot in the first one look aborted, I’d pull them out soon before they grow myc and start to rot or mold.


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    #26625431 - 04/24/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Roger that. Pulled the aborted and reducing air. Thank you!


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26625446 - 04/24/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

His coir looks off. Like brown mold almost. I would move this one outside, cause it's getting strange.


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26626170 - 04/25/20 03:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I saw that too but assumed it was jiffy sprinkled on top.

If not definitely some odd things going down in there.


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26632960 - 04/27/20 08:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I saw that too but assumed it was jiffy sprinkled on top.

If not definitely some odd things going down in there.




DAY 30 since spawn transfer

Tub 1




I pulled the aborted ones a couple days ago, and these new ones aren't looking much better. Some dark green discoloration on some of them... :um:


Tub 2

These ones look taller and better than the first



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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26632964 - 04/27/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey the new ones look much better. The ones towards the edges that are healthy colored.
That one close up small one  is dead.

Are you sure this isnt PEu?

I didn’t realize PEu had blue/grey caps a lot.


I was looking through PEu grows earlier and I’m almost positive that’s what this is. The shape and the two tone caps.


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    #26633090 - 04/27/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey the new ones look much better. The ones towards the edges that are healthy colored.
That one close up small one  is dead.

Are you sure this isnt PEu?

I didn’t realize PEu had blue/grey caps a lot.


I was looking through PEu grows earlier and I’m almost positive that’s what this is. The shape and the two tone caps.




Thanks, and you're right it is indeed PE Uncut! I retitled the thread for clarity. I'll keep plucking the dead ones. I read from sources like here that this variety aborts frequently. On the plus side choosing this variety for a first time grow is certainly good practice for managing expectations. I hope to be pleasantly surprised with how well the next grow with GT goes compared to this.


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26633787 - 04/28/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

lol yeah gt will go much better I bet, especially now that you’ve got this experience.


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    #26637122 - 04/29/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A slight foul smell as taken over these tubs. Don't these look too dry? The healthiest ones look a bit shriveled up in tub 2. Keep getting aborts in tub 1. Many opened caps already. Maybe it's time to harvest these and start a new flush?

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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: Sporesight]
    #26637127 - 04/29/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I’d pull all those off at this point.

The couple new ones in the second tub look pretty healthy still so I’d clear off all that crap and wait for new healthy ones.


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Re: RE: First Grow! BOD Tek Monotub w/ PE - Advice? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26667632 - 05/12/20 10:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Day 45

Tubs decommissioned from production. Over the past couple of days all 3 of the tubs (yeah started a third) they succumbed to what appeared to be trichoderma:



Got a slightly larger fruited harvest from flush #2 but it was short lived and only yielded about 1.25oz dry this time. My calcs tell me that with total harvest 40oz wet * 7% = 80g dry from 2 tubs with 1 coir brick each then the BE is at 29%... still got a long ways to go before reaching 100%+ BE with them gorgeous full canopies!

Honestly at this point just happy to have gotten the experience and rather eager to move onto the next variety (GT) that will likely be easier to grow higher yield at current skill level. Big shout out to my sweat equity knowledge investors (A.k.a.) for sponsoring this noob's takeoff.  :grin:

Have about 14 trays of myceliated agar and understand that will need to create a master grain jar next. Will have to do more research but sounds like the fullest tray should be the trait to select for, yes? If so, here are the winners of the bunch (some trays have vertically growing mycelium, so also wondering if they should be put in the fridge until ready for use:



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