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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: fahtster]
    #26578115 - 04/04/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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If your cakes are drying up because you think there’s too many holes in the tub, you can also just tape up some holes as you go... not sure if that’s pertinent to anything going on in this thread because I’ll be damned if I’m going to read all of it..




Can't blame you there! This thread is on 21 pages! lol

I was actually going to edit my post above and post this, but saw your post here first, and decided to post this as an answer to you, rather than an edit of my post. I could be wrong, but Im pretty damned sure that the humidity in my SGFC is around 90 or a little north of 90. I have two cheap hygrometers that I am sure are not incredibly accurate, BUT they both agree that my humidity is always 90 or a little north of 90. I am misting a lot, though at Mateah's suggestion I backed off. Not to what he recommends, but to what RogerRabbit recommends, which is 5-6 times a day.

While I don't spray a ton, and I really give a light misting for all my cakes, and am definitely not drenching them, I believe this is why my humidity seems to be remaining so consistently high. That and two other factors. The first being that I used an extra inch and a half of soaking wet perlite in my SGFC, and in addition to misting the cakes lightly, I am also misting the spaces between the cakes, in other words, misting the perlite directly. Additionally, twice a day I very lightly pour 4 fluid ounces of water, dividing it up among some of the perlite spaces between cakes. I do this perlite-irrigation twice a day.

Just to be clear, also answering Mateah's point about water-logged cakes, I check all the time, and my cakes are NOT dripping or soaking wet. They are damp. They are consistently moist and damp. I don't see ANY water pooling anywhere in my SGFC. Not on the little squares of tin foil each of the cakes is resting on, not perlite, and certainly not on the cakes. If I am over-misting or causing water to pool up, I'll be damned if I can see it.


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but I have been following Mateahs implosion a bit and I don’t think unmodded tubs for cakes is a great idea.  I did it for a while when I started out and found it to be a bit suffocating to the cakes.  Did it work? Yes, but I found that adding some ventilation helped out A LOT.  Where I ended up with my tubs is adding close to an inch holes covered with tyvek sporadically along the tub walls and using press n seal with needle holes poked in it every couple inches like so:






Great pics! Although I have no Earthly idea what "unmodded tubs" are.

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Mind you, that’s pre-SGFC... personally, I think 1/4” holes in the sgfc is a little much.




Definitely a bit of a pain in the ass. I can tell you that right now! I did the whole 1/4" holes spaced 2 inches apart on all 6 sides. That wasn't even the hardest or most annoying part. Cleaning up all that bunched up plastic that the drill causes, because the plastic that was in all the holes is now sharp, protruding, and nasty. I had to make two SGFC's because I made 24 cakes. 16 in the 70 quart, and when they are birthed, dunked, and rolled, the other 8 should fit quite nicely in my 32 Quart Sterilite container. Like I said, getting rid of all those plastic nasties was even more of a pain in the ass than drilling hundreds of holes on each box. lol


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Now, I’ve never done a sgfc because it came out right as I stopped growing, and I was happy with my set up anyway, so I can’t speak from personal experience when it comes to the sgfc, but if I were to do one today, I’d probably use the same design but use 1/8” or even 1/16” holes to thwart drying, but I do think it’s a solid design with evaporation of the perlite etc




Sounds like you are doing what works for you. Good for you, my friend!

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As far as misting cakes goes, I never really understood why ppl mist the fruits directly other than a light misting if the fruits looked a little dry... I always found that watering the thing (cake) the mushrooms get their water from to be more beneficial.  The reason bottom watering works so well.. as you can see from the picture above, I double ended cased my cakes with a pretty thick layer on the top that I watered so the cake could pull water from at its own pace.  If the cake was looking dry, I’d simply soak that layer and a day later, the cake wasn’t dry anymore... I got pretty good at knowing how to keep the cakes from getting to that point so it didn’t happen often, but I had a way to correct the dryness at my disposal. 

If you’re getting mostly aborts, I’d say tape up some holes, bottom water, or add a handful of wet verm to the top of the cakes that you can water if you need to.






I won't know about whether I am getting mostly aborts for a while now. I only put my first 10 cakes in the SGFC the Wednesday early afternoon that just past, three more that evening, and three more that were pinning in the jar I birthed yesterday and put into the SGFC this morning. So I think I'm still a ways off.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: fahtster] * 1
    #26578130 - 04/04/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Cool story. And great pics too! Wow!

LSA, I love that floor plan. That is next-level thinking my friend :yesnod:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #26578157 - 04/04/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Sounds like you are doing what works for you. Good for you, my friend!




Always.. as should everyone.  I’m glad that’s your take away.. my post was mainly to show you the options you have.  Dial that shit in!

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26578161 - 04/04/20 09:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yes. The moral to the story I think is use what works. Experiment when you know what works. You got Faht coming out and sharing his early days, j call that a win regardless.

I'm gonna stand by my previous statement "misting does not cause aborts"

Also mushroom fruiting is a response to stress, contamination or drying. So if you miss a misting or if they don't seem like they are drying out, feel free to skip a mist. Only you can be the judge of that.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26578219 - 04/04/20 10:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Great pics! Although I have no Earthly idea what "unmodded tubs" are.




Unmodified.. no holes.  Used as is.

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I'm gonna stand by my previous statement "misting does not cause aborts"




You are correct and I think that got started because back when ppl were doing unmodded tubs where evaporation wasn’t happening like it does with the sgfc, it wasn’t a good idea to leave your fruits soaked from a direct misting.. I definitely had that problem, but again, I wasn’t using a sgfc

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: fahtster] * 1
    #26578239 - 04/04/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

For those gearheads out there, a Stock Tub :awehigh:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: fahtster] * 1
    #26578240 - 04/04/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I have been following Mateahs implosion a bit and I don’t think unmodded tubs for cakes is a great idea.  I did it for a while when I started out and found it to be a bit suffocating to the cakes.  Did it work? Yes, but I found that adding some ventilation helped out A LOT.



Why do you believe that you cant increase FAE with unmodded tubs?
HC is exactly the same principle as your unmodded setup and also the same principle as unmodded tubs for bulk grows,meaning FAE is increased by gradually opening the lid more and more until desired climate is achieved. If holes on tubs were needed to achieve desired FAE rates then unmodified tubs and HC's wouldn't work. Do you think these fruits from HC are suffocating?



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You’ll like this shot, Mataeh.. these are unmodded HC’s only I used perlite and they were put into clear garbage bags that were left unsealed circa 2003ish iirrc


But those fruits are stretching and I was having to air them out all the time
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And once again this cake came from my very first HC experiment, do you think they're suffocating? Do you still think unmodified tubs are not great for fruiting cakes?


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Mateja] * 1
    #26578257 - 04/04/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Sry for double post just want to show Faht that I mean no disrespect at all by questioning why he simply didn't increase FAE if he noticed cakes were suffocating, so I'm pasting this post that I just posted in the HC thread.

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I'll assume that Cronicr is hinting to what I was hinting i an earlier post about those cakes, stretchy lanky fruits possibly due to low FAE, the mere grams fresh fruits from your cakes proves that not even the HC is protected against suffocation. But the God news is that it has Adjustable FAE so just keep increasing FAE until desired results :thumbup:


This is how some of my cakes look if I constrict FAE too much I still end up with around 100g fresh casue I know how to adjust early on and you'll learn that too eventually





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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Mateja] * 2
    #26578292 - 04/04/20 10:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Obviously they work.. I literally posted a picture of a unmodded tubs that I personally did with fruiting cakes in it, of which you quoted. 

I did adjust.. that’s why I said I had to air them out all the time.. the goal of modding was to get to a more set and forget it state

Just giving my personal experience with modded and unmodded.  I’ve done lots of both and preferred the modded.. I said a “bit” suffocating (I agree that word is extreme but I couldn’t think of another one at the time—restrictive is a better one I suppose)

Just like some ppl prefer pasty’s ez mods over BOD’s unmodded and vice versa.

Like has been said, do what works for you.

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: fahtster] * 1
    #26578322 - 04/04/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I totally get what you're saying now, I might even try some modding of the tubs to see if that may improve the HC even more so thanks for the reminder :super:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Mateja] * 1
    #26578328 - 04/04/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

:thumbup:

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: fahtster]
    #26578847 - 04/05/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hey everyone. I hope you're all having a great Sunday. Anyway, I have a couple of questions. I will post pics to ask them.

In pic#1, is that white growth mycelium or some kind of white bacteria/mold?

Pics 2 through 5. Okay this is really weird. How in the hell is this jar pinning? lol This jar was my slowest jar, lagging what I thought was weeks behind. In fact, it was so slow, that I believe that I may have accidentally only inoculated the one 4 holes. The one in the pic that I didn't circle. When I inoculated the three holes 15 days ago, 04/21, the ONLY mycelium growth that that time was a small 2" diameter patch of white literally right under the hole that apparently was inoculated. Early this week, the jar had like a 3-4 inch space of un-colonized substrate, which was slowly "closing up" to complete the circle around the jar. It was literally only the day before yesterday that there was less than 1/2 inch of un-colonized space.

And look at pic#4. That looks like it could be some of the verm leaking down the side of the jar, or it could be un-colonized substrate.

So here's the thing. I honestly think I should give the jar one more day before I birth it. I'm not sure it would harm anything. But while I suppose its possible the entire jar is consolidated, which I kind of doubt, maybe one more day that cakes stays in the jar might be a good idea?







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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26578918 - 04/05/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

First picture is normal. Mycelium is colonizing the bottom of the cake near the highest RH. Which is at the bottom.

Picture 4 has a tint to it, could be the angle or a reflection of something reflecting. Can you take another picture?


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26578934 - 04/05/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It doesn't look fully colonized, pinning without being fully colonized is usually a sign of bacterial infection.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Babylon]
    #26578958 - 04/05/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Its amazing how helpful so many of you are.

So, Babylon, I hope it isn't infected. If it is, do you guys think I should toss the jar? Here are some pis, Sockadin. Looking at it even up close, its hard to tell if those areas are really grey or if the growing mycelium is so web-like and gossamer thin that it appears slightly translucent, and some of the brown verm or stuff behind it is just showing through as a little grayish? 

Oh and a third pic I posted of another jar. This appears like a grey strip, but I think it may be the jar reflecting the light differently.






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    #26579409 - 04/05/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hey just bumping this because it ended up on the 3rd page and I was hoping to get the answers, thanks! :smile:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26579450 - 04/05/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah man I would birth it and smell it I think what has happened is it fully colonized and shrank and some verm fell from the dry area and it has rhizomorphic growth on the glass. Sniffnit and see, if it smells off isolate it in a gallon bag with some perilite.


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    #26579494 - 04/05/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah man I would birth it and smell it I think what has happened is it fully colonized and shrank and some verm fell from the dry area and it has rhizomorphic growth on the glass. Sniffnit and see, if it smells off isolate it in a gallon bag with some perilite.




Do you mean that if it smells off, try and grow it anyway, only do it in an isolated place, far away from the other 23 jars? I could always leave it in my kitchen, and probably I could find a small clear box of some sort.


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    #26579692 - 04/05/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Contaminated BRF cakes do not spread contamination to other healthy cakes, you can keep even the suspect cakes in the same FC until you're quite sure that one of the substrates is contaminated in that case you can remove it, but a bacterial cake doesn't pose a threat to the surrounding cakes in the FC.


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I could find a small clear box of some sort.



Yes you could definitely do that, and that would be in a way what I've been recommending all along. The benefit of unmodified containers is that you can fruit single cakes inside and it won't affect the micro climate negatively like for example having only one cake inside a SGFC. You can place that one cake inside a small empty container and just mist as needed or you can fill that container with 1/2 inch of water to generate a lot more humidity and thus be able to increase FAE even more for that one cake. Always try to up the FAE on substrates that you suspect being affected or sick in any way. Contams thrive more in stagnant conditions with as little FAE as possible. Gl


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Mateja]
    #26579797 - 04/05/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Well, I birthed the cake, along with three others that were pinning, and they are all sitting in water. I remember RogerRabbit saying that he liked to "smell a couple of the cakes" and make sure they have that "nice mushroomey smell." I tried it, of course with many of the 20 cakes I have birthed so far this grow, and to this day, I have no idea what a "nice, mushroomy smell" actually smells like. I will say this about that cake above. It smelled exactly like all the other cakes I have ever smelled. To me, honestly, it smells almost like wet paint, but the good news is that I didn't smell anything sweet or foul. Also, I noticed that when I washed away the verm layer from the sides of the cake, it left nothing but white behind, so I guess that really was verm just sifting down the inner wall of the jar.

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Contaminated BRF cakes do not spread contamination to other healthy cakes, you can keep even the suspect cakes in the same FC until you're quite sure that one of the substrates is contaminated in that case you can remove it, but a bacterial cake doesn't pose a threat to the surrounding cakes in the FC.




This is AWESOME to know, thank you!

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Yes you could definitely do that, and that would be in a way what I've been recommending all along. The benefit of unmodified containers is that you can fruit single cakes inside and it won't affect the micro climate negatively like for example having only one cake inside a SGFC. You can place that one cake inside a small empty container and just mist as needed or you can fill that container with 1/2 inch of water to generate a lot more humidity and thus be able to increase FAE even more for that one cake. Always try to up the FAE on substrates that you suspect being affected or sick in any way. Contams thrive more in stagnant conditions with as little FAE as possible. Gl




I have a compromise for you! I'm cheating because its the same one I offered Sockadin a day or three ago. Basically, its this. The 24 cakes are all spoken for, so to speak. I already have 16 in the 70 Quart SGFC I made, and my second SGFC, which is 32 Quarts is now waiting patiently for the final 8, including the 4 I just birthed and the 4 more that will likely be ready for birthing tomorrow.

However, I have a few CCs left of the two MS Syringes. I am quite sure that I can inoculate at least 4, maybe even 6, jars. So once I have birthed all these cakes, I will make 6 1/2 Pint jars of substrate, and inoculate as many of them as I can with the MS I have left from this current grow.

Then, as I told Sockadin, I will promise to do whatever the fuck you guys want me to with those new cakes in a few weeks, when they fully colonize consolidate. So hopefully I get 6 cakes, but even if I get 4, then I'm kind of playing with the House's money, and you guys can instruct and mold me into an HC guy. Fair enough?


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