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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Morky]
#26574506 - 04/03/20 04:27 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just get what you can get for cheap. Oats are a perfectly fine grain too.
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Morky]
#26574551 - 04/03/20 05:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Morky said: I've recently got myself a PC and I want start using grains. Sourcing certain grains is proving difficult.
I have read all of this thread. I've seen many don't like oats. Why is that?
Americans refer to rye berries, I haven't found those here. Is there a UK equivalent? What should I be searching for?
At the moment, I'm thinking of trying whole wheat. The prep looks easy enough and the price / availability is good.
Burnhill's Whole wheat
Without any previous experience it's difficult make a decision. I know supply and price are important factors. What do you use, why and where do you get them from please 
I have been using organic rye from Doves Farms (25kg bag is about 25 quid)+ shipping. If you like to bake at home, you can buy some interesting, good quality flour from them as well. I'm well aware that rye is not the cheapest grain (not as bad in the EU actually, animal feed oats are much cheaper in NA, that's why it is very popular there) to grow on in bulk but with my quantities 25kg will last longer than a year - so i'm not that fussed and the quality is superb. This is the rye that NA contributors typically refer to as "rye berries". Rye grass seeds is the lower quality alternative, smaller grains and if I understand it correctly they are unhulled.
As far as I know UK cultivators typically use rye & wild bird seed (millet but the best mix shouldn't contain sunflower seeds) and wheat/oats (less popular).
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I love millet me, using THIS tek basically.
Super easy to get hold of and prep, lots of inoculation points when spawning or doing g2g.
I got mine Here think it was about £30 for 26kg which I got ages ago and still have some left. You might be able to get it cheaper elsewhere but I’ve not needed to as that 26kg has lasted a fair while.
Basically I love millet but each to their own and good to try out a few different grains to see what suits you. Good luck 
Edit - also I ran out of gypsum so I started using half a teaspoon of wood ash per jar from my log burner and that seems to be doing the job rather well
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Smoothcat]
#26574793 - 04/03/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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poisoned said: Just get what you can get for cheap. Oats are a perfectly fine grain too.
Wheat is definitely working out the cheapest so far. About £16 delivered for a 25kg sack. Price isn't everything though. Ease of prep comes into it too.
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Morky said: I've recently got myself a PC and I want start using grains. Sourcing certain grains is proving difficult.
I have read all of this thread. I've seen many don't like oats. Why is that?
Americans refer to rye berries, I haven't found those here. Is there a UK equivalent? What should I be searching for?
At the moment, I'm thinking of trying whole wheat. The prep looks easy enough and the price / availability is good.
Burnhill's Whole wheat
Without any previous experience it's difficult make a decision. I know supply and price are important factors. What do you use, why and where do you get them from please 
I have been using organic rye from Doves Farms (25kg bag is about 25 quid)+ shipping. If you like to bake at home, you can buy some interesting, good quality flour from them as well. I'm well aware that rye is not the cheapest grain (not as bad in the EU actually, animal feed oats are much cheaper in NA, that's why it is very popular there) to grow on in bulk but with my quantities 25kg will last longer than a year - so i'm not that fussed and the quality is superb. This is the rye that NA contributors typically refer to as "rye berries". Rye grass seeds is the lower quality alternative, smaller grains and if I understand it correctly they are unhulled.
As far as I know UK cultivators typically use rye & wild bird seed (millet but the best mix shouldn't contain sunflower seeds) and wheat/oats (less popular).
Knowing what to search for makes a massive difference. 
Organic Rye Grain
Thanks for that. 
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Smoothcat said: I love millet me, using THIS tek basically.
Super easy to get hold of and prep, lots of inoculation points when spawning or doing g2g.
I got mine Here think it was about £30 for 26kg which I got ages ago and still have some left. You might be able to get it cheaper elsewhere but I’ve not needed to as that 26kg has lasted a fair while.
Basically I love millet but each to their own and good to try out a few different grains to see what suits you. Good luck 
Edit - also I ran out of gypsum so I started using half a teaspoon of wood ash per jar from my log burner and that seems to be doing the job rather well
Wow that tek makes grain prep super simple! I hadn't even considered millet. Have you done many jars with that tek? Had clumping issues?
Also, what does the gypsum / wood ash do?
Thanks for your reply. It's taken me in a completely different direction
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Morky]
#26574879 - 04/03/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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No problem happy to help 
That’s the way I do all my grain jars. It’s so easy, no messing about soaking or simmering or any of that, just load jars and straight to pc.
If you go down that road tho a few things I’ve picked up. Rinse the grains a few times till the water goes clear as the ones I had were dusty as hell. After you’ve done it a couple of times you won’t even have to measure the water as basically it’s just enough to cover the grain so you can eyeball it. Also as soon as the pc has depressurised and cooled down enough to handle the jars, really shake them up to avoid the clumping and disperse the moisture evenly. I would also leave it 24 hours before noccing up with anything and spin them a couple of times just to spread the moisture during that time. Also I don’t use fancy lids or jars, just a big jam jars that hold over a pint I bought super cheap online and drill a hole in the lid and cover with two layers of micro pore. I’ve actually started doing one layer on the inside and one layer on the outside now as I found grain was sticking to the sticky bit of the tape.
The gypsum or wood ash as I gather is to minimise clumping and from what I gather the wood ash (maybe gypsum too not sure) adjusts ph slightly putting off potential contams from taking hold.
As the tek states don’t worry if it does clump the myc still colonises no problem and I’ve never had a problem with clumps getting colonised. It all gets broken up when you spawn it anyway
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Morky]
#26574901 - 04/03/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Go for millet, trust me its the easiest, quickest and easiest to tells if it has contamination.
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Edmunter]
#26574907 - 04/03/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Check out my different soak experiment in my signature. Respect is due to Smooth cat but I prefer the foo man method. U need to find your own path.
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Edmunter]
#26575071 - 04/03/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just switched to wheat and I love it. The prep is the same as rye and it even looks the same. A 25kg bag costs about £15 with delivery.
I usually order form here: https://www.burnhills.com/small-holder-c8/poultry-c17/poultry-food-c117/burnhills-whole-wheat-25kg-p2669
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: eLeSDenes]
#26575152 - 04/03/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Man that is so cheap, im gunna try it
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Edmunter]
#26575186 - 04/03/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Edmunter said: Check out my different soak experiment in my signature. Respect is due to Smooth cat but I prefer the foo man method. U need to find your own path.
Excactly, each to their own brother find out what works for you 
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Smoothcat]
#26575209 - 04/03/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Edmunter said: Check out my different soak experiment in my signature. Respect is due to Smooth cat but I prefer the foo man method. U need to find your own path.
Excactly, each to their own brother find out what works for you 

Ive just ordered that wheat. Ive just run out of rye as I like a different grain when a culture goes flat. It sometimes kicks it in the arse. Its like its bored with its food.
Setting up my martha tomorrow. Excited...........
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Edmunter]
#26575251 - 04/03/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes Ed! 
Did you get a humidifier or are you going in dry? 
Have you done pans before? I’ve just ordered a load of stuff for that easy pan tek that’s just started doing the rounds
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Smoothcat]
#26575267 - 04/03/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im going to build a humidifier of some sort some how....lol
Ive grown pans but would like to try again.
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Morky]
#26575321 - 04/03/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Morky said: I've recently got myself a PC and I want start using grains. Sourcing certain grains is proving difficult.
I have read all of this thread. I've seen many don't like oats. Why is that?
Americans refer to rye berries, I haven't found those here. Is there a UK equivalent? What should I be searching for?
At the moment, I'm thinking of trying whole wheat. The prep looks easy enough and the price / availability is good.
Burnhill's Whole wheat
Without any previous experience it's difficult make a decision. I know supply and price are important factors. What do you use, why and where do you get them from please 
From what I've read some wheat can hold onto a lot of endospores and more contam prone. Only from what I have read. For 30 quid you can get a 25kg sack of rye from doves farm. That would last ages and it's a good price.
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Clc420]
#26575402 - 04/03/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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So why do you think rye would be any different?
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Clc420]
#26575508 - 04/03/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Clc420 said: From what I've read some wheat can hold onto a lot of endospores
That's why we PC
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: poisoned]
#26575976 - 04/03/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think oats are quite divisive, not heard about wheat and I’ve not tried either so can’t really comment 
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Smoothcat]
#26576921 - 04/04/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for all your replies. I think I'll grab a few kgs of different grains and see which I prefer.
Thanks Gents
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Morky]
#26576998 - 04/04/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey Morky, sorry if I've mis interpreted you from the light skimming of a few previous posts of yours however from what I've gathered you touched upon price of grains and the likeness of each type etc. I personally always liked the idea of whole oats and found it to be the cheapest here in the UK, I understand you found 25kg of Rye for some amount of pounds but I'd like to let you know that I have found (and bought myself) 20kg of whole oats (horse feed) for £8.65 from millbryhill. Their website is the name listed above with a .com.
Edit: My mistake it wasn't Rye but Wheat.
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Re: UK supplies thread. [Re: Htaeh]
#26578734 - 04/05/20 04:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Htaeh said: Hey Morky, sorry if I've mis interpreted you from the light skimming of a few previous posts of yours however from what I've gathered you touched upon price of grains and the likeness of each type etc. I personally always liked the idea of whole oats and found it to be the cheapest here in the UK, I understand you found 25kg of Rye for some amount of pounds but I'd like to let you know that I have found (and bought myself) 20kg of whole oats (horse feed) for £8.65 from millbryhill. Their website is the name listed above with a .com.
Edit: My mistake it wasn't Rye but Wheat.
Thanks for the info. Much appreciated
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